O ISO where art thou?!

DalBot

So yeah, weird complaint but damn, it's really hard at the top levels of this game to get the ISO needed to rank up a some champs. 6* take so much to rank up and unless you're popping crystals like a whale it can get hard to keep up. Just finished 6.4 exploration and now have literally dozens of T2A in my overflow that I can't use because I don't have the ISO to rank up the champs. Would be nice if we had some daily ISO quests with decent rewards similar to the catalyst quests.

AzKicker316

I don't see the need for iso events. It's available in so many places. I save phcs and phc/3/4 shards, specifically for iso. It's all about resource management. If you use them all up, just be patient as they will be available.

DalBot

PHC is a terrible way to rely on to get ISO. 1925 ISO for duping a 2* is literally about 1/10 of one level for ranking up a 6*. If you're lucky enough to dupe a 4* you get 24 5,000 ISO of a set class which even still is only a few levels on a 6* chance for that 3% pull.

When we finish events like Act 6 you are literally inundated with rank up items and gold but the one thing you don't get is a comparable amount of ISO. You get over 33 T2A out of 6.4 alone running completion but you get trinkets of ISO even if you get lucky on your crystal pulls. The ratio is completely out of whack.

Shrimkins

You're absolutely correct. The only way to keep up with these catalyst rewards is to spend on cav crystals. Probably not an accident.

AzKicker316

I took my claire straight to r5 using phcs, because I ran out of iso after popping 3 6*s.

Popping 4*s should give you tons of isos, which is still resource management.

DalBot

AzKicker316 said:

I took my claire straight to r5 using phcs, because I ran out of iso after popping 3 6*s.

Popping 4*s should give you tons of isos, which is still resource management.

And you're popping how many 4* crystals in a given week?

GroundedWisdom

Are you opening lower Crystals?

Shrimkins

AzKicker316 said:

I took my claire straight to r5 using phcs, because I ran out of iso after popping 3 6*s.

Popping 4*s should give you tons of isos, which is still resource management.

Yeah except you need to dupe about 13 4* champs to get enough iso to rank up a 6* from 0 to rank 2. I've done that twice in the past 2 weeks. I've also ranked up a 5* champs to rank 5 and a champ to r4 in that time and I'm still at max capacity on t2A and t5B.

Good problem to have I guess but my iso stash is literally zero right now.

And don't even get me started on gold ffs.

AzKicker316

I save all phcs and shards, so popping 100 phcs is nothing for me. I have over 200k shards each of 3 and 4*s, and over 1M phc shards.

DalBot

And those totals don't accumulate overnight. That's a lot of hoarding and even still would only get you so far all at once or in piecemeal

Djin

Kabam please make the "End of the Rainbow" calendar permanent.

AzKicker316

DalBot said:

And those totals don't accumulate overnight. That's a lot of hoarding and even still would only get you so far all at once or in piecemeal

It's being prepared. I chose not to rank up champs that I don't use, and I don't collect stuff just so they expire. I save because I know I'll need them eventually.

Evangelionlovr

Djin said:

Kabam please make the "End of the Rainbow" calendar permanent.

Man that is a brilliant idea. Little change that would go a long way.

Evangelionlovr

AzKicker316 said:

DalBot said:

And those totals don't accumulate overnight. That's a lot of hoarding and even still would only get you so far all at once or in piecemeal

It's being prepared. I chose not to rank up champs that I don't use, and I don't collect stuff just so they expire. I save because I know I'll need them eventually.

I don't even level all my 6* because half of them are trash (haven't even been able to level a few good ones like Venom) and I like to think I'm fairly resonable with my rankups. That being said, I do like to push content and after completing 6.4 I am in a similar boat to the OP.

now I did retire for like 5 months between last July and December, where I let a lot of my ISO expire, but I only had all that iso in the first place because I went way overboard whaling on Cavs shortly after getting Cavalier.

DalBot

AzKicker316 said:

It's being prepared. I chose not to rank up champs that I don't use, and I don't collect stuff just so they expire. I save because I know I'll need them eventually.

And yet here we are still with ISO being the one resource in the game that you can't readily get in quantity if needed. Need hero shards? Do monthly EQ or special events like the Mole Man quests or go to the Black ISO Market for $10/month. Rank up materials? Same exact ways or go to the Glory Store. Gold you need? Goldpool quest for Sigil or Glory Store or even buy gold crystals.

ISO is the ONE RESOURCE that's not readily available in similar ways. That's no bueno.

GroundedWisdom

The problem is if you ignore the lower Rarities and only focus on Ranking the higher ones, you're going to take longer to Rank them. That's by design. They're designed to take more Resources, and thus more time. Events like SA, Level Up, and others can still be met with lower Rarities in the meantime. People can focus on whatever they like, but many that I've seen at the top ignore lower ones completely. Crystals, and Ranking. That's a good portion of Resources and growth they're missing out on. Plus I think that's one of the unintended side-effects of increased access with Cavalier status. People want to Rank higher Champs faster than they're designed to Rank.

DalBot

GroundedWisdom said:

The problem is if you ignore the lower Rarities and only focus on Ranking the higher ones, you're going to take longer to Rank them. That's by design. They're designed to take more Resources, and thus more time. Events like SA, Level Up, and others can still be met with lower Rarities in the meantime. People can focus on whatever they like, but many that I've seen at the top ignore lower ones completely. Crystals, and Ranking. That's a good portion of Resources and growth they're missing out on. Plus I think that's one of the unintended side-effects of increased access with Cavalier status. People want to Rank higher Champs faster than they're designed to Rank.

You say that while disregarding the fact that the game is overloading us with the higher level rank up resources in Act 6 and other endgame content without providing comparable ISO to properly utilize said resources. Like I said, there are a total of 33 T2A to be gained by completing 6.4 to finish out Act 6. That's a gradual climb if you're a new player but if you've been on top of it since jump that's a lot of materials that will expire unless you dump a ton of money in to Cav crystals

Evangelionlovr

GroundedWisdom said:

The problem is if you ignore the lower Rarities and only focus on Ranking the higher ones, you're going to take longer to Rank them. That's by design. They're designed to take more Resources, and thus more time. Events like SA, Level Up, and others can still be met with lower Rarities in the meantime. People can focus on whatever they like, but many that I've seen at the top ignore lower ones completely. Crystals, and Ranking. That's a good portion of Resources and growth they're missing out on. Plus I think that's one of the unintended side-effects of increased access with Cavalier status. People want to Rank higher Champs faster than they're designed to Rank.

How does using ISO on lower rarities solve the problem of not having enough ISO for higher rarities? Other than being more equipped to do arena, I don't see your argument.

GroundedWisdom

Evangelionlovr said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The problem is if you ignore the lower Rarities and only focus on Ranking the higher ones, you're going to take longer to Rank them. That's by design. They're designed to take more Resources, and thus more time. Events like SA, Level Up, and others can still be met with lower Rarities in the meantime. People can focus on whatever they like, but many that I've seen at the top ignore lower ones completely. Crystals, and Ranking. That's a good portion of Resources and growth they're missing out on. Plus I think that's one of the unintended side-effects of increased access with Cavalier status. People want to Rank higher Champs faster than they're designed to Rank.

How does using ISO on lower rarities solve the problem of not having enough ISO for higher rarities? Other than being more equipped to do arena, I don't see your argument.

Using the ISO isn't a solution. Focusing on lower Rarities also, in general, is a piece of the puzzle.

GroundedWisdom

DalBot said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The problem is if you ignore the lower Rarities and only focus on Ranking the higher ones, you're going to take longer to Rank them. That's by design. They're designed to take more Resources, and thus more time. Events like SA, Level Up, and others can still be met with lower Rarities in the meantime. People can focus on whatever they like, but many that I've seen at the top ignore lower ones completely. Crystals, and Ranking. That's a good portion of Resources and growth they're missing out on. Plus I think that's one of the unintended side-effects of increased access with Cavalier status. People want to Rank higher Champs faster than they're designed to Rank.

You say that while disregarding the fact that the game is overloading us with the higher level rank up resources in Act 6 and other endgame content without providing comparable ISO to properly utilize said resources. Like I said, there are a total of 33 T2A to be gained by completing 6.4 to finish out Act 6. That's a gradual climb if you're a new player but if you've been on top of it since jump that's a lot of materials that will expire unless you dump a ton of money in to Cav crystals

The game isn't overloading you with Resources. You're piling through the content without using what you have.

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GroundedWisdom

Lohan33 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DalBot said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The problem is if you ignore the lower Rarities and only focus on Ranking the higher ones, you're going to take longer to Rank them. That's by design. They're designed to take more Resources, and thus more time. Events like SA, Level Up, and others can still be met with lower Rarities in the meantime. People can focus on whatever they like, but many that I've seen at the top ignore lower ones completely. Crystals, and Ranking. That's a good portion of Resources and growth they're missing out on. Plus I think that's one of the unintended side-effects of increased access with Cavalier status. People want to Rank higher Champs faster than they're designed to Rank.

You say that while disregarding the fact that the game is overloading us with the higher level rank up resources in Act 6 and other endgame content without providing comparable ISO to properly utilize said resources. Like I said, there are a total of 33 T2A to be gained by completing 6.4 to finish out Act 6. That's a gradual climb if you're a new player but if you've been on top of it since jump that's a lot of materials that will expire unless you dump a ton of money in to Cav crystals

The game isn't overloading you with Resources. You're piling through the content without using what you have.

Act 6.4 has way more t2a then you can use in most cases
Gold,iso,t1a,t4b cant hold up


That said he mentioned gold Crystal's as a possible solution to the gold.issue but doesnt see Cavs as a iso solution.....

If you do it all in one shot and don't use what you get as you go along, then yes. You'll have a surplus.

StevieManWonder

It's always gold I run out of, not ISO

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GroundedWisdom

Lohan33 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lohan33 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DalBot said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The problem is if you ignore the lower Rarities and only focus on Ranking the higher ones, you're going to take longer to Rank them. That's by design. They're designed to take more Resources, and thus more time. Events like SA, Level Up, and others can still be met with lower Rarities in the meantime. People can focus on whatever they like, but many that I've seen at the top ignore lower ones completely. Crystals, and Ranking. That's a good portion of Resources and growth they're missing out on. Plus I think that's one of the unintended side-effects of increased access with Cavalier status. People want to Rank higher Champs faster than they're designed to Rank.

You say that while disregarding the fact that the game is overloading us with the higher level rank up resources in Act 6 and other endgame content without providing comparable ISO to properly utilize said resources. Like I said, there are a total of 33 T2A to be gained by completing 6.4 to finish out Act 6. That's a gradual climb if you're a new player but if you've been on top of it since jump that's a lot of materials that will expire unless you dump a ton of money in to Cav crystals

The game isn't overloading you with Resources. You're piling through the content without using what you have.

Act 6.4 has way more t2a then you can use in most cases
Gold,iso,t1a,t4b cant hold up


That said he mentioned gold Crystal's as a possible solution to the gold.issue but doesnt see Cavs as a iso solution.....

If you do it all in one shot and don't use what you get as you go along, then yes. You'll have a surplus.

Well when the game promotes legend runs to do just that.....

You CAN do a Legends Run. Which usually ends up being the same people, give or take a few. That's part of doing a Run. You end up with a bunch of Resources all at once. That's a choice. It's not a design flaw. Anyone at that stage should have enough Resources to use the T2A. If not, there's some spending habits to look at. That's not a statement for the content overall. A select 100 people. Typically, people will do it over time.

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DalBot

GroundedWisdom said:

You CAN do a Legends Run. Which usually ends up being the same people, give or take a few. That's part of doing a Run. You end up with a bunch of Resources all at once. That's a choice. It's not a design flaw. Anyone at that stage should have enough Resources to use the T2A. If not, there's some spending habits to look at. That's not a statement for the content overall. A select 100 people. Typically, people will do it over time.

I mean you LITERALLY get 15 or 16 T2A (depending on if you form one)the moment you complete 6.4 and Act 6 in total. But go on...

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GroundedWisdom

DalBot said:

GroundedWisdom said:

You CAN do a Legends Run. Which usually ends up being the same people, give or take a few. That's part of doing a Run. You end up with a bunch of Resources all at once. That's a choice. It's not a design flaw. Anyone at that stage should have enough Resources to use the T2A. If not, there's some spending habits to look at. That's not a statement for the content overall. A select 100 people. Typically, people will do it over time.

I mean you LITERALLY get 15 or 16 T2A (depending on if you form one)the moment you complete 6.4 and Act 6 in total. But go on...

Which is why I said it's meant to be done over time.

DalBot said:

GroundedWisdom said:

You CAN do a Legends Run. Which usually ends up being the same people, give or take a few. That's part of doing a Run. You end up with a bunch of Resources all at once. That's a choice. It's not a design flaw. Anyone at that stage should have enough Resources to use the T2A. If not, there's some spending habits to look at. That's not a statement for the content overall. A select 100 people. Typically, people will do it over time.

I mean you LITERALLY get 15 or 16 T2A (depending on if you form one)the moment you complete 6.4 and Act 6 in total. But go on...

Those can be used.

GroundedWisdom

That first comment was meant to quote Lohan.

Evangelionlovr

GroundedWisdom said:

That first comment was meant to quote Lohan.

Initial completion still gives a ton of T2A and that's only 6 quests, it seems counter intuitive to expect players to hold off on completing act 6 while they stockpile millions of gold and iso.