The Corvus problem and why it’s wrong to be mad

TP33

They’re changing the system so that ALL champions cannot survive a timeout at 1%. You could run in at 1% with any champion and it would time out and just give you half of that 1%, which in terms of numbers is still 1%.

It’s not targeted at Corvus or anything. Why is nobody complaining that they want their resources from Hela, LC, or punisher back when they could do the same thing?

Really I think it is a side effect of kabam trying to sort out a bug. They wanted to stop people exploiting the game at 1% and in doing so they accidentally ‘nerfed’ Corvus. If it was intentional the thread would be called, Corvus rebalancing not something to do with AQ.

They’ve already said in the thread that they are looking at compensation but I don’t think that anybody would use an AG on Corvus just for AQ, it’s stupid to even suggest that.

Overall I think it was an unintentional interaction but we will be compensated and who knows, nothing’s final yet, they might change it so that champions who wouldn’t die if they were hit won’t die?

Lvernon15

People wouldn’t use an ag if this wasn’t in the game though, mainly when it comes to 6 stars, I know people who used a 6* generic on him and they wouldn’t do that if this wasn’t a thing

Thicco_Mode

Hopefully, it will push them to make changes in aq like no timers or better fights

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

Was this seriously such a common tatic to use to avoid Time outs? Is it seriously such a nessescary thing that Corvus and sig now serve no other purpose in the game at all now and it's literally useless.

Lvernon15

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

Was this seriously such a common tatic to use to avoid Time outs? Is it seriously such a nessescary thing that Corvus and sig now serve no other purpose in the game at all now and it's literally useless.

The sig isn’t going to be useless, but it’s removing one of its biggest uses, and yes it’s an extremely common tactic in map 7

AlphA101

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

Was this seriously such a common tatic to use to avoid Time outs? Is it seriously such a nessescary thing that Corvus and sig now serve no other purpose in the game at all now and it's literally useless.

You have no idea bud how widely this was abused repeatedly to take down ridiculous minis and bosses at map 6/7

TheRealApoc

I run Corvus at 1% on map 6 commonly for the starburst path. I never time out, I don't think this will be an issue for that.

AlphA101

What purpose do timers serve in aq aw anyway ? Why don’t we have timers in non alliance

Shrimkins

Lvernon15 said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

Was this seriously such a common tatic to use to avoid Time outs? Is it seriously such a nessescary thing that Corvus and sig now serve no other purpose in the game at all now and it's literally useless.

The sig isn’t going to be useless, but it’s removing one of its biggest uses, and yes it’s an extremely common tactic in map 7

This is why this is getting so much backlash. There are probably hundreds of alliances that won't be clearing map 6/7 anymore when this goes into effect unless kabam radically shakes up AQ along with the change.

Especially map 7. The only legitimate strategy for some paths were corvus + timeout.

Dromar_13

AlphA101 said:

What purpose do timers serve in aq aw anyway ? Why don’t we have timers in non alliance

So that you time out and loose health then you'll have to buy pots which means expending.

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YeahReally

TP33 said:

It’s not targeted at Corvus or anything. Why is nobody complaining that they want their resources from Hela, LC, or punisher back when they could do the same thing?

Really I think it is a side effect of kabam trying to sort out a bug. They wanted to stop people exploiting the game at 1% and in doing so they accidentally ‘nerfed’ Corvus. If it was intentional the thread would be called, Corvus rebalancing not something to do with AQ.

Becouse nobody uses Hela, LC, Punisher in AQ/AW
And the thread is called AQ Changes (something like that) becouse if it was called Corvus rebalacing people would be more upset than they already are
And your arguments are one of the worst that I have ever seen

Shrimkins

Ya_Boi_28 said:

If we are talking specifically about corvus and other indestructible champs, I don't think they should KO when they timeout, simply because they aren't supposed to die according to their abilities. Even though I don't run map 6/7 it is pretty obvious that people were using corvus's awakened ability for this reason.

When you look at what it does, you'll see that it reduces the time of getting his charges back, which is pretty useless. However, you are able to cheat death with it, First of all, nobody is really going to do this in questing except for a small amount of matchups. Nobody is going to use they ability and timeout deliberately in war because it would cause a death. Maybe in incursions, but those aren't as important as AQ. This means that AQ is the primary use for this ability.

I don't understand this. I really don't.

If you ran map 6 and 7 you would. It has widespread use in every top 500 alliance. Reason being it saves a ton of items. Just go in, use 19 charges, and pause and wait for the timeout. Go back in use 19 charges (you get the idea).

Say you're fighting doom boss and you just missed a parry, no matter, you still have charges so you don't die. Just pause the game and wait for the timeout and come back with full charges.

Or on nodes like can't stop won't stop where the usual counters can't even kill them in 1 fight so would you rather time out with juggernaut or with corvus? Well clearly corvus because it doesn't matter how much health he has. As long as you have charges you're golden.

Timone147

Let’s be real without the backlash 2 weeks ago this would be live or would be going live very soon. That backlash is making this be reassessed. That is why it is ready while they look for ways to fix the game. People this was being worked and then the realization that a fix was needed before implimenting(which is a good thing actually and thank you kabam for listening to the frustration).

The frustration here though other than just a Corvus nerf(which to me this is that)is this is yet again another issue where there is a item that has been functioning the same way for a long time and now a ninja nerf is being worked in the background with little communication that it is coming to soften the blow. Little communication to allow people change decisions being made between discovery of “bug” to fix implementation.

Also it’s another ninja nerf not in the favor of the community. Bug or not this is something people are utilizing to avoid buying potions that in order to get decent ones now require units because the newest ones are omitted from the glory store. Potions that the game is trying to force people into a corner to use.

All of the issues compound. This is another example of the same behavior that has the community in an uproar right now. Just another data points of what is wrong right now.

TP33

YeahReally said:

TP33 said:

It’s not targeted at Corvus or anything. Why is nobody complaining that they want their resources from Hela, LC, or punisher back when they could do the same thing?

Really I think it is a side effect of kabam trying to sort out a bug. They wanted to stop people exploiting the game at 1% and in doing so they accidentally ‘nerfed’ Corvus. If it was intentional the thread would be called, Corvus rebalancing not something to do with AQ.

Becouse nobody uses Hela, LC, Punisher in AQ/AW
And the thread is called AQ Changes (something like that) becouse if it was called Corvus rebalacing people would be more upset than they already are
And your arguments are one of the worst that I have ever seen

Ok here’s a better argument. It’s unfair and it doesn’t require skill whatsoever. It means that people who get lucky and pull Corvus are pressured into ranking him up for AQ, even if they have no need other than AQ to take him up. Even if they do want to take him up and they use this tactic it’s unfair. Pausing the fight and letting it run down so that your mistakes aren’t registered is scummy. @TheRealApoc using Corvus like that at 1% is completely fine, it’s starburst this is what his sig is meant to be used for, not to beat multiplayer fights with exploits and no skill

Mauled

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

Was this seriously such a common tatic to use to avoid Time outs? Is it seriously such a nessescary thing that Corvus and sig now serve no other purpose in the game at all now and it's literally useless.

In AQ I personally have never needed it in Map 6, though I haven’t done a huge amount of Map 7 but I’ve done enough to make it necessary every now and then. Things like mesmerise, stun immune and prove yourself in your first fight can prove stupid enough to warrant it if you don’t get the right RNG.

I’m AW, with Flow being so stupid it’s very common for BGs who don’t have quakers or G2099 to do most of the AW minibosses with Corvus and just ignore attack bonus because it’s better than potentially spending 15 items a war.

Is this ability being used in the spirit of was designed? Probably not. But nobody uses it unless it’s deemed necessary because nodes are idiotic.

Giuliameij

AlphA101 said:

What purpose do timers serve in aq aw anyway ? Why don’t we have timers in non alliance

So that an alliance mate can never lock an opponent when encountering and then leaving. With the timer, after a while you can fight that opponent.

YeahReally

TP33 said:

YeahReally said:

TP33 said:

It’s not targeted at Corvus or anything. Why is nobody complaining that they want their resources from Hela, LC, or punisher back when they could do the same thing?

Really I think it is a side effect of kabam trying to sort out a bug. They wanted to stop people exploiting the game at 1% and in doing so they accidentally ‘nerfed’ Corvus. If it was intentional the thread would be called, Corvus rebalancing not something to do with AQ.

Becouse nobody uses Hela, LC, Punisher in AQ/AW
And the thread is called AQ Changes (something like that) becouse if it was called Corvus rebalacing people would be more upset than they already are
And your arguments are one of the worst that I have ever seen

Ok here’s a better argument. It’s unfair and it doesn’t require skill whatsoever. It means that people who get lucky and pull Corvus are pressured into ranking him up for AQ, even if they have no need other than AQ to take him up. Even if they do want to take him up and they use this tactic it’s unfair. Pausing the fight and letting it run down so that your mistakes aren’t registered is scummy. @TheRealApoc using Corvus like that at 1% is completely fine, it’s starburst this is what his sig is meant to be used for, not to beat multiplayer fights with exploits and no skill

People are pressured to rank up Corvus? Lol
Now that I think it twice, THIS is the worst argument so far

And it's not unfair if it's working as the awakened ability describes

You are just salty because you don't have Corvus

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Pulyaman

YeahReally said:

TP33 said:

It’s not targeted at Corvus or anything. Why is nobody complaining that they want their resources from Hela, LC, or punisher back when they could do the same thing?

Really I think it is a side effect of kabam trying to sort out a bug. They wanted to stop people exploiting the game at 1% and in doing so they accidentally ‘nerfed’ Corvus. If it was intentional the thread would be called, Corvus rebalancing not something to do with AQ.

Becouse nobody uses Hela, LC, Punisher in AQ/AW
And the thread is called AQ Changes (something like that) becouse if it was called Corvus rebalacing people would be more upset than they already are
And your arguments are one of the worst that I have ever seen

You really made a new account? and now you are on players side.. How things change

Notsavage19

"Corvus cannot die". By "dying", I think Kabam meant that if a champ is at less than 1 health than they're dead, but as long as they're at that 1 health, they'll be kept alive. Let's say you start at 10 out of 1000 health. Your Corvus is fine. You time out. 5 health. Now, you halve that again since you timed out once more. You're down to 3 health out of 1000. Then 2 health, rounded again. Then 1. Now here's the problem. If you half 1, you get a number that is less than one, which the game interprets as a KO, which means that your Corvus is dead.

There are many ways to interpret the statement "Corvus cannot die", and I agree that Kabam should clarify, but I get that it's hard to do all that in a character description.

I don't think that it's a nerf, per se, but just an exploit that was fixed.

TP33

Ya_Boi_28 said:

TP33 said:

YeahReally said:

TP33 said:

It’s not targeted at Corvus or anything. Why is nobody complaining that they want their resources from Hela, LC, or punisher back when they could do the same thing?

Really I think it is a side effect of kabam trying to sort out a bug. They wanted to stop people exploiting the game at 1% and in doing so they accidentally ‘nerfed’ Corvus. If it was intentional the thread would be called, Corvus rebalancing not something to do with AQ.

Becouse nobody uses Hela, LC, Punisher in AQ/AW
And the thread is called AQ Changes (something like that) becouse if it was called Corvus rebalacing people would be more upset than they already are
And your arguments are one of the worst that I have ever seen

Ok here’s a better argument. It’s unfair and it doesn’t require skill whatsoever. It means that people who get lucky and pull Corvus are pressured into ranking him up for AQ, even if they have no need other than AQ to take him up. Even if they do want to take him up and they use this tactic it’s unfair. Pausing the fight and letting it run down so that your mistakes aren’t registered is scummy. @TheRealApoc using Corvus like that at 1% is completely fine, it’s starburst this is what his sig is meant to be used for, not to beat multiplayer fights with exploits and no skill

Please don't tell me that no-one in your BG has a ranked up corvus. Bet you wouldn't tell them they we're scummy if they used the tactic. Your wording definitely makes you sound kinda salty.

We don’t run map 6/7 and people I’m my alliance have pretty much no idea this is a tactic. it sucks that alliances using this are grabbing higher ranking spots when maybe those who play properly should get them

YeahReally

Pulyaman said:

YeahReally said:

TP33 said:

It’s not targeted at Corvus or anything. Why is nobody complaining that they want their resources from Hela, LC, or punisher back when they could do the same thing?

Really I think it is a side effect of kabam trying to sort out a bug. They wanted to stop people exploiting the game at 1% and in doing so they accidentally ‘nerfed’ Corvus. If it was intentional the thread would be called, Corvus rebalancing not something to do with AQ.

Becouse nobody uses Hela, LC, Punisher in AQ/AW
And the thread is called AQ Changes (something like that) becouse if it was called Corvus rebalacing people would be more upset than they already are
And your arguments are one of the worst that I have ever seen

You really made a new account? and now you are on players side.. How things change

I don't understand what do you mean...

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Qfury

It's stupid, genuinely stupid. They sorted namor out after they noticed he was able to cheese aq within a month or so. If they did that shortly after corvus release I'm sure people would of been okish with it but 2 years is just down right moronic. I'm positive kabam are trying to get people to quit. The amount of bs they've pulled recently is ridiculous

Denslo500

So . . . just to get this straight
1) the game was working EXACTLY as Kabam designed it and described it.
2) The mechanic had not changed since 4/2018 when Corvus was introduced (excluding recent nerf)
3) Kabam's response: we intended to nerf Corvus, just not right now, and maybe not in this way.

People have a right to be upset.

SevSyn

Denslo500 said:

So . . . just to get this straight
1) the game was working EXACTLY as Kabam designed it and described it.
2) The mechanic had not changed since 4/2018 when Corvus was introduced (excluding recent nerf)
3) Kabam's response: we intended to nerf Corvus, just not right now, and maybe not in this way.

People have a right to be upset.

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JueVioleGrace

Yeah, I think the main issue we are facing here with kabam is the fact that these things they're changing have been in the game for sooo long. This obviously would cause outrage and suspicion. It would naturally make some players think why are they changing this now when it's existed in the game for so long. And don't tell me they didn't notice them until the point of change

OhGodYes

Guys, they are fixing an exploit. Basically what they’re doing is starting the match with health or 1%, getting in all their hard guaranteed crits and then hitting pause until the timer ends. Then they repeat it. If they get hit while they have 1% and they have charges, this allows them to pause the game before they die and let the timer run out. Rinse and repeat. This should be fixed and it is not a nerf unless you use this “strategy”

Destroy4589

My only issue with this issue is the similarity with MS/BWCV/She-hulk fix. The interaction, in this case, has existed for 2 years. Kabam has been aware of it as well but only now when new potions have come out), that they decide to address it. I believe the fix is justified if they implement it correctly (fix map 6/7 nodes and or increase timer duration). People would only use such a tactic which is a clear exploit only due to poor node/path designs. But my issue is that they have terrible to non-existent communication and this should have been addressed two years ago and not now (same as MS, BWCV etc.)