Matchmaking Discussion [Merged Threads]

LeNoirFaineant

GroundedWisdom said:

"Little League....Big League...."
You think people are automatically better because their Champs are higher?
Hate to break it to you, but the highest Champs don't make someone skilled.
Matches were even. Nodes were the same. Fire power on both sides of the War were around par. Looks to me like some people with strong Champs couldn't accept batting average.

This is beyond Stupid. The reason these same teams are being destroyed now is precisely because they can't compete with the higher champ groups even if they are more skilled. Don't hate to break it to me. By all means, break it to me. I agree with you. In that case there is nothing to worry about in this transition phase. The lower skilled teams should be just fine facing the higher teams in the same war rating group because the higher champs don't make them better.

Plinko

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LeNoirFaineant said:

GroundedWisdom said:

"Little League....Big League...."
You think people are automatically better because their Champs are higher?
Hate to break it to you, but the highest Champs don't make someone skilled.
Matches were even. Nodes were the same. Fire power on both sides of the War were around par. Looks to me like some people with strong Champs couldn't accept batting average.

This is beyond Stupid. The reason these same teams are being destroyed now is precisely because they can't compete with the higher champ groups even if they are more skilled. Don't hate to break it to me. By all means, break it to me. I agree with you. In that case there is nothing to worry about in this transition phase. The lower skilled teams should be just fine facing the higher teams in the same war rating group because the higher champs don't make them better.

I'm pretty sure he's a troll. It's not worth arguing with him over. We are all competing for the same prizes. Some just can't handle having to actually earn them and make up excuses.

xNig

Maybe Kabam should have reset all war ratings to 0 and start from scratch. That’s the “right” thing.

Oh wait.. lopsided matchups will still occur in that case since war rating is close.

Geez. There’s no other way to do the war rating rebalancing.

Just move on.

I, for one, am happy that weaker alliances are getting smacked back down to where they belong. They even had the bonus benefit of having that happen over fewer wars since war ratings got cut in half.

Sensei_Maat

as others have said it was due to a previously broken unfair matchmaking system that has allowed small alliances to climb up higher than larger alliances where they did not belong.

now the matchmaking algorithm is changed there will be some bad matchups while the system corrects itself.

xNig

QuietusDK said:

We were low/mid G3 last season. Alliance @ 11 mil.

We just got our first matchup. Enemy alliance was G2 last season, and are @ 34 million. At the time of writing, they've cleared our BG1 with one death, and are down to 2 minibosses and boss in our BG2, with 4 deaths.

How exactly is this an even remotely *fun* war to fight? According to war rating, there's 2 (!) points difference between an alliance that has about 50% Abyss completions and the rest cavaliers.

Yes, I'm whining. I'm whining because trying to get your alliance all pumped up for the new season, ready to go, practicing these new horrible nodes (Powerful from Afar + Duped 5/65 OR, funfun...), and we basically run into an alliance that we have no chance at all against.

There’s a TWO point difference in war rating. That’s as fair as it can be.

If your alliance is really skilled and deserves the win, you can win it by dying less than the opponent.

If you can’t win, then what are you complaining about? Lol

Sensei_Maat

as others have said it was due to a previously broken unfair matchmaking system that has allowed small alliances to climb up higher than larger alliances where they did not belong.

now the matchmaking algorithm is changed there will be some bad matchups while the system corrects itself.

Sensei_Maat

as others have said it was due to a previously broken unfair matchmaking system that has allowed small alliances to climb up higher than larger alliances where they did not belong.

now the matchmaking algorithm is changed there will be some bad matchups while the system corrects itself.

Mr_Platypus

A better question is... why did an alliance in which 50% have done an abyss clear only finish gold 2...
Oh wait it’s because matchmaking has actually been broken for many seasons and this is just the first in which it’s fixed.

MrTicTac19992008

We got a bit of a mismatch as our opponents are 29m, we 19m but this is to be expected for the first 5/6 wars of this season. Maybe our next war we will be way stronger than our opponents, who knows but it will even itself out eventually. Our war rating is 1070, opponent is 1071.

GAMEOVERJames

Sensei_Maat said:

as others have said it was due to a previously broken unfair matchmaking system that has allowed small alliances to climb up higher than larger alliances where they did not belong.

now the matchmaking algorithm is changed there will be some bad matchups while the system corrects itself.

You mean after several rounds of AW, the matchmaking will be tuned into an appropriate algorithm?

Buttehrs

GAMEOVERJames said:

Sensei_Maat said:

as others have said it was due to a previously broken unfair matchmaking system that has allowed small alliances to climb up higher than larger alliances where they did not belong.

now the matchmaking algorithm is changed there will be some bad matchups while the system corrects itself.

You mean after several rounds of AW, the matchmaking will be tuned into an appropriate algorithm?

No, he means after several wars your war rating will be fixed to where your supposed to be. If it means you lose all those wars because you were over inflated in prior seasons then so be it.

Unio77

GroundedWisdom said:

Unio77 said:

Just give it a couple of wars to get the true rating of an alliance down to scale and people wont complain after that

You willing to give up your own Wars for that?

@GroundedWisdom no no I'm not. In fact for out first war this season we were no laced against a much significantly less powerful alliance.
They had the same rating as us but we outclassed them.

This new way of matchmaking is going to sort out these problems. Our opponent has the same rating as us but we outclassed them. This shows they arent ready to fight in the same league as us

Unio77

Buttehrs said:

GAMEOVERJames said:

Sensei_Maat said:

as others have said it was due to a previously broken unfair matchmaking system that has allowed small alliances to climb up higher than larger alliances where they did not belong.

now the matchmaking algorithm is changed there will be some bad matchups while the system corrects itself.

You mean after several rounds of AW, the matchmaking will be tuned into an appropriate algorithm?

No, he means after several wars your war rating will be fixed to where your supposed to be. If it means you lose all those wars because you were over inflated in prior seasons then so be it.

This guy gets it

QuietusDK

There’s a TWO point difference in war rating. That’s as fair as it can be.

If your alliance is really skilled and deserves the win, you can win it by dying less than the opponent.

If you can’t win, then what are you complaining about? Lol

Okay, are you for real?

Yes, I'm aware that a two point difference is about as close as it gets. Despite your implied conclusion, I'm not moronic.

The issue here is not whether one alliance is more skilled than the other, unless you correlate alliance prestige with skill, but let me try to posting it in a way that then make sense.

The example is that a sunday league team that wins 50% of their matches, suddenly gets paired with a professional team, because they also happen to have won 50% of their matches.

Despite what Hollywood may have given you the impression of, no, the Sunday league team doesn't win by sheer pluck and a clever game plan.

So my complaint is, while obviously alliance prestige playing into matchmaking had flaws, at least it did attempt to minimize matches that were grossly unbalanced, power-wise.

QuietusDK

Markjv81 said:

11 million alliance should probably be in bronze somewhere so just be thankful you got extra rewards last season(s).

That's interesting. So you propose that bronze should be the holding pattern until what level? Until your alliance is 50% Abyss players?

Please, i would like to hear how a gradual ascent through ranks, starting at low silver, should be a mistake in matchmaking. We have faced alliances on paper well stronger than us before, and prevailed. Here, it's simply the magnitude of power difference I'm seeing as broken. But according to you, our previous 5 seasons were undeserved, because we can't fight an alliance 3 times our PI? Really...

QuietusDK

Mr_Platypus said:

A better question is... why did an alliance in which 50% have done an abyss clear only finish gold 2...
Oh wait it’s because matchmaking has actually been broken for many seasons and this is just the first in which it’s fixed.

This is what I'm trying to get at.

Seraphion

The ppl with "too hard oponents" just dont understand or dont want to understand that they were playing way above their league.

They only see 30 million vs 10 million. This is so unfair blabla. The intelligent ppl will understand when they read all the posts here that they played above their lvl and dont deserve to be there.

The not-so intelligent ppl will keep whining and moaning how unfair it is. *caugh G W*

Imagine a 6th league football team becoming world champion bc they win vs only 6th league teams. That is what happend for a long time in MCOC. Even jf you will lose rewards now bc they corrected the system its still fair.

Even we (30 million alliance) benefitted from the prestige wars I think (~10k prestige). We mostly faced R5/R2 def but here and there were R4/R1 as well.
I really want to know now if we only made high P2/low P1 bc of prestige or bc we are skilled. I guess we will see at the end of the season.

-sixate-

Jorx said:

You got to be kidding kabam, is unfair the war between my alliance and one of 41 million
You have to fix that

Looks like you both finished Plat 4 last season. You should have no problem beating a Plat 4 alliance. If you can't compete with a real Plat 4 alliance you never should have been there in the first place!

Dhruvshah

This matchmaking sucks how is 6mill ally playing a 22 milly fair, one is gold and one is silver, you just trigger the system for hig level alliances

xNig

Lol. What’s your war rating

Jeal79_sub

Read the announcements and the other threads. There doesn't need to be any new posts on this

Dhruvshah

I did didnt find any ans mine is 800

Unio77

Th8s new matchmaking system is meant to find your true rating. Most alliances have inflated stats and are playing at a level above them. This new system will pit you against tough opponents so you can drop down to your intended level of play

Dhruvshah

I understand but all I am saying is that they could have done this is the offseason they screwed us for season rewards