They’ll absolutely win if they can get less deaths than their opponents. The problem is that all these little alliances are used to winning with 40+ deaths, whereas the big alliances that were trapped in gold 2 etc are used to losing with less than 5 deaths.
That's half the problem. People aren't looking past their own nose. They're playing Judge, Jury, and Executioner. Based on their OWN experience, they're determining what's easy for others, where they should be, what Rewards they deserve, and whether they have the right to complain about their own Matches. It's just a joke. Might as well stop playing. Someone else is going to determine what you deserve because they're only winning half their Wars. Like that isn't logical to begin with. Of course you're going to be stuck if you're only breaking even.
Judge jury and executioner? We went back to a system that basically says your position in the ranking will be based entirely on what level you are able to win at. Any alliance can get to any level if they can win wars there. If you win you will move up in ranking and fight those alliances. If you lose you move down and are matched accordingly. How is this judge, jury and execution lol?
Had that system done so in a way that made it possible for people to fall into that, this Thread wouldn't exist. Yet here we are with people in Matches they're never going to win. Let's stop pretending if they're skilled, they'll win them. We all know full well there's no chance of that happening. Judge, Jury, and Executioner is exactly what it is. People have determined that the Matches of others are easier, they don't deserve their Rating or Wins, they should lose, and they have no right to complain because all is as it should be. That assessment is accurate.
The only way the old system would ever be fair is if you were literally segregated into different war prestige groups with its own set of rewards. As long as we were fighting for the same rewards it was never going to be fair. If you want to turn War into a form of EQ, that would be one way to go I suppose. The Judge, Jury, and Executioner thing is stupid. People haven't Determined where other groups should be, and no one is executing anyone. War rating is going to determine that. Kabam looked at their data and realized that groups getting to Plat 2 without having to fight other groups in Plat 2, and other groups stuck in gold 2 fighting groups in Plat 1 didn't make sense. Low alliances have a rough 3 or 4 wars ahead of them. It's not the end of the world.
That's half the problem. People aren't looking past their own nose. They're playing Judge, Jury, and Executioner. Based on their OWN experience, they're determining what's easy for others, where they should be, what Rewards they deserve, and whether they have the right to complain about their own Matches. It's just a joke. Might as well stop playing. Someone else is going to determine what you deserve because they're only winning half their Wars. Like that isn't logical to begin with. Of course you're going to be stuck if you're only breaking even.
Judge jury and executioner? We went back to a system that basically says your position in the ranking will be based entirely on what level you are able to win at. Any alliance can get to any level if they can win wars there. If you win you will move up in ranking and fight those alliances. If you lose you move down and are matched accordingly. How is this judge, jury and execution lol?
Had that system done so in a way that made it possible for people to fall into that, this Thread wouldn't exist. Yet here we are with people in Matches they're never going to win. Let's stop pretending if they're skilled, they'll win them. We all know full well there's no chance of that happening. Judge, Jury, and Executioner is exactly what it is. People have determined that the Matches of others are easier, they don't deserve their Rating or Wins, they should lose, and they have no right to complain because all is as it should be. That assessment is accurate.
The only way the old system would ever be fair is if you were literally segregated into different war prestige groups with its own set of rewards. As long as we were fighting for the same rewards it was never going to be fair. If you want to turn War into a form of EQ, that would be one way to go I suppose. The Judge, Jury, and Executioner thing is stupid. People haven't Determined where other groups should be, and no one is executing anyone. War rating is going to determine that. Kabam looked at their data and realized that groups getting to Plat 2 without having to fight other groups in Plat 2, and other groups stuck in gold 2 fighting groups in Plat 1 didn't make sense. Low alliances have a rough 3 or 4 wars ahead of them. It's not the end of the world.
Oh but it is the end of the world! How will they cope without being able to earn 1 6* per month using their little 4* attack and defence teams.
Up until now the wars my alliance has been in were equal in strength, prestige, alliance rating, and alliance war rating... we finished gold 2 because we won almost every war... and not due to matchmaking being unfair... majority of the time it was very close win or lose... i don't think ccrider474 should be annoyed that that other alliance was in the same tier... he should be annoyed that kabam does a horrible job at matchmaking...
If you guys think an alliance that wins almost every war deserves to be placed in stone, bronze, or silver because they don't have an alliance rating of 50,000,000... then you are morons... I'm not saying that an alliance shouldn't have some tough matches... but to give a strong alliance such an easy win?... what part of that is fair at all?... the real problem is that they don't have it set up to where low rated alliances can be in a different bracket than all the high rated ones... giving them an opportunity to make gold and platinum at the end of the season...
But in the end it's the way it always goes... kabam doesn't care about the game or its players... they care about the money... and the top tier alliances have most likely dropped some serious dime on this game... so kabam will continue to make everything easier for high rated players while pissing on the rest of us...
Here’s the deal. If you want the rewards come and beat us and take them now.... some baby alliance with a bunch of wins should not get better rewards than my alliance that would smash them. You want em come and get em....
Like i said... there should be different brackets for alliances to be in... no alliance that is only a couple years old with newer ayers should have to compete with alliances that are full of 1.5 million rated players for a spot in gold... it's impossible to grow strong enough to fight an alliance like yours if you gett way way better rewards for the same amount of victories... thus the fact that there should be a bracket system...
And I'm not saying same rewards... I'm saying of all the alliances that war with a 10mil rated alliance the top winners should get a little bit of 6* shards... people like you are ignorant... come fight us... pshhh... how bout come blow us...
These Posts are going to come, so people might as well stop rubbing in others' faces. No one is going to say it's okay to be placed in Matches they can't win, no matter how much you say it's for the best.
people are onl;y getting "un-winnable" matches as @GroundedWisdom likes to call them temporarily as the new system corrects itself. after a while everything will balance and all will be good.
you say the old broken matchmaking was created only cus of players making exploits. well so what, it was still broken. it still needs to be fixed. it will be fixed. it will just take time.
fast forward to season 20 and we will be seeing fair matches with alliances based on WR only. it will be fair for everyone and we will end up seeing the matches that we all agree are fair. yes we all agree including you.
Just stop. Stop tagging me, stop trying to pull me back into this discussion, and stop trying to bring up conversations that happened 2 years ago that I already explained happened before people created the need to use Prestige by manipulating the system. This entire Season was designed to cater to one demographic. Now you wonder why people are complaining. Hell yes, they're complaining. You have a system flipped on a dime that's placing them in Matches they cannot win, and people trying to brush them off like all is well. You have hella Nodes thrown in, an increase in Rewards for the Top and nothing below, and the only response people are giving them is "It'll all be better in the end.". They're going to complain like you would complain if it was you getting shafted and told your efforts are worth throwing out, so you might as well let them complain. Or not. The more you argue with them, the more you show the hypocrisy. I'm over it. I'm over the shameless way people are gloating about this, I'm over the way these valid issues are being ignored, and I'm over the constant bickering about it. People know it's wrong. They're just happy to see it. Leave me out of it. I've said all I have to say.
Just stop. Stop tagging me, stop trying to pull me back into this discussion, and stop trying to bring up conversations that happened 2 years ago that I already explained happened before people created the need to use Prestige by manipulating the system. This entire Season was designed to cater to one demographic. Now you wonder why people are complaining. Hell yes, they're complaining. You have a system flipped on a dime that's placing them in Matches they cannot win, and people trying to brush them off like all is well. You have hella Nodes thrown in, an increase in Rewards for the Top and nothing below, and the only response people are giving them is "It'll all be better in the end.". They're going to complain like you would complain if it was you getting shafted and told your efforts are worth throwing out, so you might as well let them complain. Or not. The more you argue with them, the more you show the hypocrisy. I'm over it. I'm over the shameless way people are gloating about this, I'm over the way these valid issues are being ignored, and I'm over the constant bickering about it. People know it's wrong. They're just happy to see it. Leave me out of it. I've said all I have to say.
you say leave you out and stop bringing you in yet literally every single time i open this thread 50% of new comments are from you.
you need to leave yourself out cus it looks to me that you are enjoying having the discussion. if your done your done but stop coming and replying. cus aslong as you come and reply people will also reply to you.
come season 20 noone will be complaining anymore about the matchmaking. cus by that time it will be fair and clear. people will be sitting where they belong fighting matches that suit.
Anyone bother suggesting that struggling alliances should start a new alliance to wipe their war rating?
They might not want to start from scratch and lose the 4/5/6* shards they have been winning from the inflated war ratings.
If it’s about “fair” wars that’s how they get “fair”, it’s a step forward or a simple solution to this bickering is all.
Yeah agree. Although some people might get drunk on rewards, personally, I find that resetting all war ratings to 0, then postponing season 19 for 1-2 months, might have been the fairest way.
I don’t think this is really 100% about “fair” wars. Partly yes but also the truth is.... that when this transition ends and evens out many will be not able to achieve the rewards they could before as those that should be in their spot will take their spot. Many will fall FAR... very far based on what I’m seeing from screenshots. This is worse than I even imagined based on what I’m seeing.
Many will be shut out from what’s become the norm for them. I see this as a pretty harsh reality but reality none the same that they aren’t really at the level the game has led them to believe. They aren’t receiving rewards calibrated to their level.
Unfortunately many of those being mismatched likely have been receive inflated rewards for some time. This has become an expectations and reality is hitting that these rewards might just be above their tier and they aren’t as good as they thought. They will be slowed greatly.
It does suck and I do feel bad that the game created this illusion and feeling of deserving the inflated rewards they weren’t really worthy of. Unfortunately this is a blow and likely will cause some people to leave. Also unfortunately this is needed for the overall long term good of the game to establish fairness for everyone going forward(following the resettling period).
It shouldn’t get harder to place higher the longer you play. This game encourages long term commitment. I would encourage people to stick it out as this game is a marathon not a sprint but also understand having the spoon ripped right out of your mouth is not easy to cope with.
Here’s the deal. If you want the rewards come and beat us and take them now.... some baby alliance with a bunch of wins should not get better rewards than my alliance that would smash them. You want em come and get em....
Like i said... there should be different brackets for alliances to be in... no alliance that is only a couple years old with newer ayers should have to compete with alliances that are full of 1.5 million rated players for a spot in gold... it's impossible to grow strong enough to fight an alliance like yours if you gett way way better rewards for the same amount of victories... thus the fact that there should be a bracket system...
And I'm not saying same rewards... I'm saying of all the alliances that war with a 10mil rated alliance the top winners should get a little bit of 6* shards... people like you are ignorant... come fight us... pshhh... how bout come blow us...
Grow strong to fight alliances like that? There’s EQ SQ and side quests for you to earn your catalysts to grow strong, not only AW. Those “1.5m rated players” you’re talking about? They’ve put in the work/money/time to get these quests done.
If there were a bracketing system, then you guys who are lower will complain about the rewards of the bracket because you guys think you deserve better.
And the fact is, if the “ignorant people” you were talking about were to match with you, yes they will “blow” through your defenses.
My alt’s ally is facing these opponents. God knows how they reached 2.8k war ratings pre-compression.
Based on war ratings, they are 26 higher than us. So their war capabilities are higher than mine?
No right? So they deserve to lose and drop lower for their war ratings.
Can they win? Yes. We died twice so far after clearing 50% of the map. If they can die fewer times than us, then by all means they deserve the win. If they can’t (which they most probably can’t seeing that they died 43 times to 34 defenders), they shouldn’t beat us and be at a higher war rating than us.
This loss for them will knock them down to a lower war rating where they will face an easier opponent.
If they can’t beat that easier opponent, they’ll go lower and get matched with an even easier opponent, and the cycle continues until they start winning and losing at an equal rate.
That’s how war should be like. That’s how the system was for AGES before prestige was introduced into the matchmaking criteria in Season 3-4 and skewed the entire tier multiplier for alliances.
Anyone bother suggesting that struggling alliances should start a new alliance to wipe their war rating?
They might not want to start from scratch and lose the 4/5/6* shards they have been winning from the inflated war ratings.
If it’s about “fair” wars that’s how they get “fair”, it’s a step forward or a simple solution to this bickering is all.
Yeah agree. Although some people might get drunk on rewards, personally, I find that resetting all war ratings to 0, then postponing season 19 for 1-2 months, might have been the fairest way.
I try to think about the here, now and tomorrow, not focus on the coulda woulda shouldas.
It's ridiculous. Don't listen to people saying everything is as it should be.
yesterday 6M vs 44 M today 6M VS 0.5M It's still ridiculous
Cute how you cropped the names so people can’t verify if they’re shells, which by the look of it at least one was; they have 2 members in the ally. I don’t know if you’re being disingenuous on purpose but that’s what this post is along with being ridiculous.
Furthermore neither of those war rating could have supported actually fighting against their peers in those tiers.
If they cannot compete against alliances with the exact same war rating for that spot in g2 they are not. They obviously cannot compete or they wouldn’t be crying foul.
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The problem is that all these little alliances are used to winning with 40+ deaths, whereas the big alliances that were trapped in gold 2 etc are used to losing with less than 5 deaths.
If you guys think an alliance that wins almost every war deserves to be placed in stone, bronze, or silver because they don't have an alliance rating of 50,000,000... then you are morons... I'm not saying that an alliance shouldn't have some tough matches... but to give a strong alliance such an easy win?... what part of that is fair at all?... the real problem is that they don't have it set up to where low rated alliances can be in a different bracket than all the high rated ones... giving them an opportunity to make gold and platinum at the end of the season...
But in the end it's the way it always goes... kabam doesn't care about the game or its players... they care about the money... and the top tier alliances have most likely dropped some serious dime on this game... so kabam will continue to make everything easier for high rated players while pissing on the rest of us...
And I'm not saying same rewards... I'm saying of all the alliances that war with a 10mil rated alliance the top winners should get a little bit of 6* shards... people like you are ignorant... come fight us... pshhh... how bout come blow us...
after a while everything will balance and all will be good.
you say the old broken matchmaking was created only cus of players making exploits.
well so what, it was still broken.
it still needs to be fixed.
it will be fixed.
it will just take time.
fast forward to season 20 and we will be seeing fair matches with alliances based on WR only.
it will be fair for everyone and we will end up seeing the matches that we all agree are fair. yes we all agree including you.
This entire Season was designed to cater to one demographic. Now you wonder why people are complaining. Hell yes, they're complaining. You have a system flipped on a dime that's placing them in Matches they cannot win, and people trying to brush them off like all is well. You have hella Nodes thrown in, an increase in Rewards for the Top and nothing below, and the only response people are giving them is "It'll all be better in the end.". They're going to complain like you would complain if it was you getting shafted and told your efforts are worth throwing out, so you might as well let them complain. Or not. The more you argue with them, the more you show the hypocrisy.
I'm over it. I'm over the shameless way people are gloating about this, I'm over the way these valid issues are being ignored, and I'm over the constant bickering about it. People know it's wrong. They're just happy to see it.
Leave me out of it. I've said all I have to say.
you need to leave yourself out cus it looks to me that you are enjoying having the discussion.
if your done your done but stop coming and replying.
cus aslong as you come and reply people will also reply to you.
people will be sitting where they belong fighting matches that suit.
KABAM please make the necessary adjustments please !! 👌👍🤞
Many will be shut out from what’s become the norm for them. I see this as a pretty harsh reality but reality none the same that they aren’t really at the level the game has led them to believe. They aren’t receiving rewards calibrated to their level.
Unfortunately many of those being mismatched likely have been receive inflated rewards for some time. This has become an expectations and reality is hitting that these rewards might just be above their tier and they aren’t as good as they thought. They will be slowed greatly.
It does suck and I do feel bad that the game created this illusion and feeling of deserving the inflated rewards they weren’t really worthy of. Unfortunately this is a blow and likely will cause some people to leave. Also unfortunately this is needed for the overall long term good of the game to establish fairness for everyone going forward(following the resettling period).
It shouldn’t get harder to place higher the longer you play. This game encourages long term commitment. I would encourage people to stick it out as this game is a marathon not a sprint but also understand having the spoon ripped right out of your mouth is not easy to cope with.
If there were a bracketing system, then you guys who are lower will complain about the rewards of the bracket because you guys think you deserve better.
And the fact is, if the “ignorant people” you were talking about were to match with you, yes they will “blow” through your defenses.
6M vs 44 M
today
6M VS 0.5M
It's still ridiculous
My alt’s ally is facing these opponents. God knows how they reached 2.8k war ratings pre-compression.
Based on war ratings, they are 26 higher than us. So their war capabilities are higher than mine?
No right? So they deserve to lose and drop lower for their war ratings.
Can they win? Yes. We died twice so far after clearing 50% of the map. If they can die fewer times than us, then by all means they deserve the win. If they can’t (which they most probably can’t seeing that they died 43 times to 34 defenders), they shouldn’t beat us and be at a higher war rating than us.
This loss for them will knock them down to a lower war rating where they will face an easier opponent.
If they can’t beat that easier opponent, they’ll go lower and get matched with an even easier opponent, and the cycle continues until they start winning and losing at an equal rate.
That’s how war should be like. That’s how the system was for AGES before prestige was introduced into the matchmaking criteria in Season 3-4 and skewed the entire tier multiplier for alliances.
Furthermore neither of those war rating could have supported actually fighting against their peers in those tiers.