War Matchmaking is busted

The_Sentry06

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

GroundedWisdom

The_Sentry06 said:

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

That entire logic is based on the idea that Alliances DESERVE their Rank and hold it. That's not a given in a competition, and that's the problem. The Season is a month-long competition that measures progress from start to finish. We've done 2 Seasons now where that progress has been altered for people on one side of this. Not as a result of anything they have control over.

Durzo

Ebony_Naw said:

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

Yet the pop Warner football team wants to be in the same playing field when it comes to rewards. Riddle me that.

No one is bent out of shape, except perhaps your misguided perception of fairness.

Misguided? So getting matched up against an alliance with 10 million more rating that yours because of war rating is fair and balanced? Clearly something is wrong if you don't have even a chance to win the war...you all keep talking about skill and how you don't belong in this tier or that tier if you can't win, but it's not us that doesn't belong in the tier...it's these monster allys with 800k average member rating sitting in silver 2 and 1. And even if they move up to the next rank, there are always more. You think WE have low skill in silver 1 or 2 when we're using not even max champs and can still get to almost gold 3? How about the people who have max five/six stars who can't even make it up past gold 3?

ABOMB

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

ABOMB

Just made a fresh bag of popcorn..come on forum tuff guys, attack attack attack 🤣

Durzo

ABOMB said:

Just made a fresh bag of popcorn..come on forum tuff guys, attack attack attack 🤣

Do you have Red Vines? I like Red Vines!

Mr_Platypus

Durzo said:

Mr_Platypus said:

ABOMB said:

All you high rated players getting bent outta shape because the little guys are complaining (with a legit reason) is making my day! Keep em coming tuff guys!🤣🤣

You never did explain that 1.7mil member you have pummelling little guys in your alliance...
The guys higher rated than me so if you’re gonna hate on alliances just wanting reasonable rewards for their effort, you best kick the guy that’s likely steamrolling every opponent you come across.

Tell you what, you argue for kabam to going back to prestige matchmaking and I’ll show you how steamrolling works because I’m not dealing with maxed 5* defenders all season for gold 3 rewards when I could carry some little alliance to platinum 3 or 4 with my roster and skill as I’ll easily steamroll the 4* defenders I’ll come against.

Ah yes, clearly your opinion is better. Because you're such a 'high skill player'. Get real. Bragging about how you could steamroll 4 star champions is hardly worth bragging about. If you could do that, that's also an issue. Carrying an alliance to platinum or masters because of one person? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

And yet that’s exactly what started happening under the prestige based matchmaking system.
Nothing to brag about, just saying I wouldn’t suffer through worse rewards for more effort again.

Lormif

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Lormif

GroundedWisdom said:

The_Sentry06 said:

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

That entire logic is based on the idea that Alliances DESERVE their Rank and hold it. That's not a given in a competition, and that's the problem. The Season is a month-long competition that measures progress from start to finish. We've done 2 Seasons now where that progress has been altered for people on one side of this. Not as a result of anything they have control over.

except it is a given, you have not pointed out any alliance war where the winner should not have been the winner.

naikavon

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

Yes. Playing for the same set of rewards means potentially playing anyone and that includes teams stronger, weaker and equally matched.

Here's the thing, if people are losing hope, that's on leadership. Maybe if you weren't whining about how impossible the match was people would try? Try it sometime. Leadership sets the tone.

Newb alliances don't need 6 star shards for competing. Instead of worrying about what could have been worry about growing, improving and making strides between seasons.

Or whine and turn off players. Newbs don't know what they don't know. You set the tone. I've led ultra competitive alliances in other games. Leadership is the most important factor. You may believe it's the rules or having stacked rosters or whatever, but with leadership setting a great tone, those other things take care of themselves.

Do it or don't. Your choice. But if you want to enter into a competition with shared rewards and get special treatment your gonna get laughed at. Cause that's what your asking for.

ABOMB

Durzo said:

ABOMB said:

Just made a fresh bag of popcorn..come on forum tuff guys, attack attack attack 🤣

Do you have Red Vines? I like Red Vines!

Red vines are so guuuud lol

Mr_Platypus

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

Can’t argue 10mil is a big difference for you then say it’s not for us. 10mil is still roughly 300k additional summoner rating difference per person, that’s a huge difference.
And btw, prestige is not the same as summoner rating.

Durzo

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Nah mate, you're pretending that alliance rating has nothing to do with the outcomes of wars, when in reality it's everything. Alliance rating has to do with your champions and what you've pulled, right? So clearly the higher your rating, the better your champs. If you have 10 million less rating than another alliance, they are going to have more and better champs available for defense and offense. So they will easily stomp you. Is that enough logic for you, mate?

ABOMB

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Then for you its like the Joker says.."you wouldn't get it" about why prestige matters

GroundedWisdom

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The_Sentry06 said:

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

That entire logic is based on the idea that Alliances DESERVE their Rank and hold it. That's not a given in a competition, and that's the problem. The Season is a month-long competition that measures progress from start to finish. We've done 2 Seasons now where that progress has been altered for people on one side of this. Not as a result of anything they have control over.

except it is a given, you have not pointed out any alliance war where the winner should not have been the winner.

Should or should not have been the winner is based on how they perform in the War. Not whether or not they're bigger. The argument is an entire contradiction. To say one side should not have been the winner because of their size and then say size doesn't matter is ironic. When you take away the ability of one side to compete with any reasonable capability, it's not a competition anymore.

Mr_Platypus

Durzo said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Nah mate, you're pretending that alliance rating has nothing to do with the outcomes of wars, when in reality it's everything. Alliance rating has to do with your champions and what you've pulled, right? So clearly the higher your rating, the better your champs. If you have 10 million less rating than another alliance, they are going to have more and better champs available for defense and offense. So they will easily stomp you. Is that enough logic for you, mate?

Well I just pointed out I’ve beaten alliances with 10mil rating higher than my alliance and lost to alliances with 10mil less, but apparently it doesn’t count? So which is it?

Lormif

Durzo said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Nah mate, you're pretending that alliance rating has nothing to do with the outcomes of wars, when in reality it's everything. Alliance rating has to do with your champions and what you've pulled, right? So clearly the higher your rating, the better your champs. If you have 10 million less rating than another alliance, they are going to have more and better champs available for defense and offense. So they will easily stomp you. Is that enough logic for you, mate?

alliance rating has to do with all your champs and all the rank ups you did. War only has to do with EIGHT of your champs... If you could put every one of your champs out there and they would have to fight every single one, then sure your alliance rating would matter, but you cant, it is your best 8. You could have the exact same best 8 at 400k alliance rating as you could for 2 million alliance rating... It means nothing and is easily manipulated to battle "smaller" by just leaving unused champions at rank 1 and deleting all your 4*s and below.

In our alliance we have a 500k member who has a 10k prestige, why? because he deleted all his lower champs and wont rank champs he does not need, because he was in an alliance that minipulated their rating. It gives people like you who do not understand the ways to play war a false sense of "fair", but he would trample you because they have vastly more skill than you do, not because of their rating or prestige

Lormif

ABOMB said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Then for you its like the Joker says.."you wouldn't get it" about why prestige matters

again explain to me why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*? because prestige does not matter. Again I dont use my highest prestige champs in war typically.

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The_Sentry06 said:

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

That entire logic is based on the idea that Alliances DESERVE their Rank and hold it. That's not a given in a competition, and that's the problem. The Season is a month-long competition that measures progress from start to finish. We've done 2 Seasons now where that progress has been altered for people on one side of this. Not as a result of anything they have control over.

except it is a given, you have not pointed out any alliance war where the winner should not have been the winner.

Should or should not have been the winner is based on how they perform in the War. Not whether or not they're bigger. The argument is an entire contradiction. To say one side should not have been the winner because of their size and then say size doesn't matter is ironic. When you take away the ability of one side to compete with any reasonable capability, it's not a competition anymore.

again why cant a 4r 5* bat a r3 6*, that is the bane of your entire argument.

ABOMB

Mr_Platypus said:

Durzo said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Nah mate, you're pretending that alliance rating has nothing to do with the outcomes of wars, when in reality it's everything. Alliance rating has to do with your champions and what you've pulled, right? So clearly the higher your rating, the better your champs. If you have 10 million less rating than another alliance, they are going to have more and better champs available for defense and offense. So they will easily stomp you. Is that enough logic for you, mate?

Well I just pointed out I’ve beaten alliances with 10mil rating higher than my alliance and lost to alliances with 10mil less, but apparently it doesn’t count? So which is it?

A 300K prestige difference compared to a 3K prestige difference is significant right?

Lormif

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Durzo said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Nah mate, you're pretending that alliance rating has nothing to do with the outcomes of wars, when in reality it's everything. Alliance rating has to do with your champions and what you've pulled, right? So clearly the higher your rating, the better your champs. If you have 10 million less rating than another alliance, they are going to have more and better champs available for defense and offense. So they will easily stomp you. Is that enough logic for you, mate?

Well I just pointed out I’ve beaten alliances with 10mil rating higher than my alliance and lost to alliances with 10mil less, but apparently it doesn’t count? So which is it?

A 300K prestige difference compared to a 3K prestige difference is significant right?

it means nothing fi they are not using those champs. Who uses sunspot in defense or even offense? he is the send highest prestige in the game, but is so easy to beat in any level. What about silver surfer, again nope. Doom is 3rd and is the only usable defender. From there we go, thor rags, namor, phoenix, nope nope and nope. Stealthy? not really, hit monkey noope. The next we typically see is not till 11, nova, on specific nodes.. The highest prestige champs are not typically suited for war.

GroundedWisdom

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Then for you its like the Joker says.."you wouldn't get it" about why prestige matters

again explain to me why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*? because prestige does not matter. Again I dont use my highest prestige champs in war typically.

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The_Sentry06 said:

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

That entire logic is based on the idea that Alliances DESERVE their Rank and hold it. That's not a given in a competition, and that's the problem. The Season is a month-long competition that measures progress from start to finish. We've done 2 Seasons now where that progress has been altered for people on one side of this. Not as a result of anything they have control over.

except it is a given, you have not pointed out any alliance war where the winner should not have been the winner.

Should or should not have been the winner is based on how they perform in the War. Not whether or not they're bigger. The argument is an entire contradiction. To say one side should not have been the winner because of their size and then say size doesn't matter is ironic. When you take away the ability of one side to compete with any reasonable capability, it's not a competition anymore.

again why cant a 4r 5* bat a r3 6*, that is the bane of your entire argument.

Not at all. You're acting as if the numbers don't matter, like we're talking about ROL with the suggested Team Rating. Only, you can't argue with the Math of it, and they're not just numbers. They're an average representation of the most an Alliance is working with. There is undeniably a limitation within that compared to others, and when you add the other various mechanics of War, Node increases and combinations, limits within the scoring, etc....they matter even more. Numbers are what it's entirely about.

Mr_Platypus

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Durzo said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Nah mate, you're pretending that alliance rating has nothing to do with the outcomes of wars, when in reality it's everything. Alliance rating has to do with your champions and what you've pulled, right? So clearly the higher your rating, the better your champs. If you have 10 million less rating than another alliance, they are going to have more and better champs available for defense and offense. So they will easily stomp you. Is that enough logic for you, mate?

Well I just pointed out I’ve beaten alliances with 10mil rating higher than my alliance and lost to alliances with 10mil less, but apparently it doesn’t count? So which is it?

A 300K prestige difference compared to a 3K prestige difference is significant right?

Well an alliance at 45mil is very likely to have multiple r3 6*s per person so there’s a good chance there will be a 1-2k prestige difference between them and my alliance. Not that’s particularly relevant, don’t care if the defender has r3 6*s or not, they could still be completely useless.

Lormif

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Then for you its like the Joker says.."you wouldn't get it" about why prestige matters

again explain to me why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*? because prestige does not matter. Again I dont use my highest prestige champs in war typically.

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The_Sentry06 said:

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

That entire logic is based on the idea that Alliances DESERVE their Rank and hold it. That's not a given in a competition, and that's the problem. The Season is a month-long competition that measures progress from start to finish. We've done 2 Seasons now where that progress has been altered for people on one side of this. Not as a result of anything they have control over.

except it is a given, you have not pointed out any alliance war where the winner should not have been the winner.

Should or should not have been the winner is based on how they perform in the War. Not whether or not they're bigger. The argument is an entire contradiction. To say one side should not have been the winner because of their size and then say size doesn't matter is ironic. When you take away the ability of one side to compete with any reasonable capability, it's not a competition anymore.

again why cant a 4r 5* bat a r3 6*, that is the bane of your entire argument.

Not at all. You're acting as if the numbers don't matter, like we're talking about ROL with the suggested Team Rating. Only, you can't argue with the Math of it, and they're not just numbers. They're an average representation of the most an Alliance is working with. There is undeniably a limitation within that compared to others, and when you add the other various mechanics of War, Node increases and combinations, limits within the scoring, etc....they matter even more. Numbers are what it's entirely about.

and yet you still cannot explain why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*. The math of it is simple, the team rating and the prestiqe does not matter, your skill in being able to overcome the fights matter. We are able to take a r5 4* into modes and kill 40k rated champions without using a revive, this is called skill, why can you not do this is war?

GroundedWisdom

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Then for you its like the Joker says.."you wouldn't get it" about why prestige matters

again explain to me why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*? because prestige does not matter. Again I dont use my highest prestige champs in war typically.

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The_Sentry06 said:

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

That entire logic is based on the idea that Alliances DESERVE their Rank and hold it. That's not a given in a competition, and that's the problem. The Season is a month-long competition that measures progress from start to finish. We've done 2 Seasons now where that progress has been altered for people on one side of this. Not as a result of anything they have control over.

except it is a given, you have not pointed out any alliance war where the winner should not have been the winner.

Should or should not have been the winner is based on how they perform in the War. Not whether or not they're bigger. The argument is an entire contradiction. To say one side should not have been the winner because of their size and then say size doesn't matter is ironic. When you take away the ability of one side to compete with any reasonable capability, it's not a competition anymore.

again why cant a 4r 5* bat a r3 6*, that is the bane of your entire argument.

Not at all. You're acting as if the numbers don't matter, like we're talking about ROL with the suggested Team Rating. Only, you can't argue with the Math of it, and they're not just numbers. They're an average representation of the most an Alliance is working with. There is undeniably a limitation within that compared to others, and when you add the other various mechanics of War, Node increases and combinations, limits within the scoring, etc....they matter even more. Numbers are what it's entirely about.

and yet you still cannot explain why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*. The math of it is simple, the team rating and the prestiqe does not matter, your skill in being able to overcome the fights matter. We are able to take a r5 4* into modes and kill 40k rated champions without using a revive, this is called skill, why can you not do this is war?

This isn't a piece of content like EQ or Story. There are penalties to losing based on efforts, and that goes into the scoring. There is already a measurement for skill. That skill hinges on both sides having a level playing field. What you're saying is the entire competition should be measured by the standard of the rare few who can punch well above their size, and that idea is more dangerous than the Trump wood chipper.

ABOMB

^ This guy doesn't know how to objectively think what its like to be the other guy. So many high rated peeps huggies getting bunched up.🤣🤣

GroundedWisdom

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Then for you its like the Joker says.."you wouldn't get it" about why prestige matters

again explain to me why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*? because prestige does not matter. Again I dont use my highest prestige champs in war typically.

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The_Sentry06 said:

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

That entire logic is based on the idea that Alliances DESERVE their Rank and hold it. That's not a given in a competition, and that's the problem. The Season is a month-long competition that measures progress from start to finish. We've done 2 Seasons now where that progress has been altered for people on one side of this. Not as a result of anything they have control over.

except it is a given, you have not pointed out any alliance war where the winner should not have been the winner.

Should or should not have been the winner is based on how they perform in the War. Not whether or not they're bigger. The argument is an entire contradiction. To say one side should not have been the winner because of their size and then say size doesn't matter is ironic. When you take away the ability of one side to compete with any reasonable capability, it's not a competition anymore.

again why cant a 4r 5* bat a r3 6*, that is the bane of your entire argument.

Not at all. You're acting as if the numbers don't matter, like we're talking about ROL with the suggested Team Rating. Only, you can't argue with the Math of it, and they're not just numbers. They're an average representation of the most an Alliance is working with. There is undeniably a limitation within that compared to others, and when you add the other various mechanics of War, Node increases and combinations, limits within the scoring, etc....they matter even more. Numbers are what it's entirely about.

and yet you still cannot explain why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*. The math of it is simple, the team rating and the prestiqe does not matter, your skill in being able to overcome the fights matter. We are able to take a r5 4* into modes and kill 40k rated champions without using a revive, this is called skill, why can you not do this is war?

This isn't a piece of content like EQ or Story. There are penalties to losing based on efforts, and that goes into the scoring. There is already a measurement for skill. That skill hinges on both sides having a level playing field. What you're saying is the entire competition should be measured by the standard of the rare few who can punch well above their size, and that idea is more dangerous than the **** wood chipper.

The man in the Oval Office, incase you were wondering the bleep.

Mr_Platypus

shouldnt insult grounded like that, he’s trying to argue your case with you.

Lormif

ABOMB said:

^ This guy doesn't know how to objectively think what its like to be the other guy. So many high rated peeps huggies getting bunched up.🤣🤣

No, the issue is I know how to objectively think like all sides, where as you can only be outraged something not how you like it. I can point out where the pain points are in every part of the alliance war, and point out why they do or do not matter, who they hurt and how to weigh it vs the whole. That is something you are not capable of doing. I am also capable of understanding that mathematically prestige and alliance rating does not matter because it takes into account champs you are not using for war AND can be easily manipulated, these are objective things, not subjective.

Lormif

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Lormif said:

ABOMB said:

Mr_Platypus said:

Right so he decided to steamroll your opponents lol.

As for our matches this season, we’ve won against alliances 10mil rating above us and lost against alliances 10mil below us, nothing is a guaranteed win.
But for the most part every opponent has been +/- 1-3mil.

A 35 mill ally has a prestige that is fairly high so facing opponents with a 10 mill rating difference isn't really a big issue because they're prestige is still fairly high too.
A 15K or lower ally has a significantly lower prestige than those much higher in rating so facing say a 25K ally for them is much more difficult than it would be for a 35 mill ally say having to face a 45 mill ally..
Not sure whats so hard to understand about that.

what does prestige have to do with anything? I dont even use my highest prestige champs in most wars because they are not good for anything....Also what says that 15m alliance does not have the same champs for offence and defense as the 25m alliance? because alliance rating means nothing either, and it is more about what champs you have pulled and leveled up.

You are ignoring all logic just to be outraged.

Then for you its like the Joker says.."you wouldn't get it" about why prestige matters

again explain to me why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*? because prestige does not matter. Again I dont use my highest prestige champs in war typically.

GroundedWisdom said:

Lormif said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The_Sentry06 said:

Rap said:

You don't want to have to be patient and grind for the things you need and don't want penalized for dumping champs.

That is horrible logic there. If you are finding silver 2-3 rewards inadequate, join higher tier allies. If you don't want to leave your current ally, that is your fault and not ours.

Also, people get rewards in higher tiers too in case you didn't know and there is no where else ingame you get around 2-3 6 stars(I think) every month. They are an addition to what you already get

Rap said:

Yes? competition??? And currently our matchups are as competitive as a pop warner football team playing against the Cowboys or the Steelers! Would you consider that to be a far match? Based on your arguments here you apparently would! Would you accuse the pop warner kids of dodging competition if they refused to take the field after seeing the size of their opponent?
Thats what is happening! And after a couple of tries they stop showing up.
Like is said, nothing in war worth facing my jr high kids against your Broncos! So we will be opting out.
Have a great day of winning!
Guess i will see you when you are back in here whinging about not enough gold and iso!

If you are finding your competition easy, join a higher tier ally. If you are finding the competition too hard, you don't deserve those rewards and is better of in a lower tier.

That entire logic is based on the idea that Alliances DESERVE their Rank and hold it. That's not a given in a competition, and that's the problem. The Season is a month-long competition that measures progress from start to finish. We've done 2 Seasons now where that progress has been altered for people on one side of this. Not as a result of anything they have control over.

except it is a given, you have not pointed out any alliance war where the winner should not have been the winner.

Should or should not have been the winner is based on how they perform in the War. Not whether or not they're bigger. The argument is an entire contradiction. To say one side should not have been the winner because of their size and then say size doesn't matter is ironic. When you take away the ability of one side to compete with any reasonable capability, it's not a competition anymore.

again why cant a 4r 5* bat a r3 6*, that is the bane of your entire argument.

Not at all. You're acting as if the numbers don't matter, like we're talking about ROL with the suggested Team Rating. Only, you can't argue with the Math of it, and they're not just numbers. They're an average representation of the most an Alliance is working with. There is undeniably a limitation within that compared to others, and when you add the other various mechanics of War, Node increases and combinations, limits within the scoring, etc....they matter even more. Numbers are what it's entirely about.

and yet you still cannot explain why a r4 5* cannot beat a r3 6*. The math of it is simple, the team rating and the prestiqe does not matter, your skill in being able to overcome the fights matter. We are able to take a r5 4* into modes and kill 40k rated champions without using a revive, this is called skill, why can you not do this is war?

This isn't a piece of content like EQ or Story. There are penalties to losing based on efforts, and that goes into the scoring. There is already a measurement for skill. That skill hinges on both sides having a level playing field. What you're saying is the entire competition should be measured by the standard of the rare few who can punch well above their size, and that idea is more dangerous than the **** wood chipper.

There are penalties to losing in all efforts. Cost of resources are penalties. But if you can solo kill a 40k defender with a r5 4* why can you not do it in war. You are ignoring the question just like you are ignoring the question of why a r4 5* can apparently not kill a r3 6*, because again you dont use your entire roster in war, and you only have to kill an average of 5 nodes with 3 champs.