Who should I awaken between void and archangel?

SmallTimeANT

Have a generic gem and undecided between the two.

Etjama

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

Charlie21540

Void

Wow.... That is a really tough choice

Qacob

Void

I personally prefer void as a champion, but you can't go wrong there bud

JessieS

I can’t stand void. I duped him but I haven’t even bothered ranking him up while archangel is amazing

Meebleton

Void

They're both great options but I'd go with Void as he's more versatile than AA. The awakened ability increases his damage by a lot (provided you have a decent amount of sigs, if not then AA might the better option immediately, but I still think Void will do better in the long run) allows him to reverse healing and counter evade. Can't really go wrong with either option though

Aleor

Void

Void covers more fights, but he's kinda slow
AA duped makes fights he covers end a lot faster

Kill_Grey

Archangel

Wow, this is tough.

I have both at rank 5. Void is at max sig, while AA is at sig 112 (sweet spot sig 😉).

I love them both a lot! I use archangel more, but Void has really come in clutch for many scenarios, and is a staple on my war defense lineup, also the boss in my BG and doesn't get less than 3 kills per war.

Thy are both utility machines without a doubt, and I would say Void if you can get him to at least sig 160. As for AA, he's technically good at any sig level.
Try to awaken them both, nevertheless.

Berjibs

Archangel

Depends on roster and what you plan to do with your masteries. AA is much better with suicides than void and at some point you’ll get apoc (if not already) which will make that even better.

I think other champs can fill the utility void possesses. Champs like torch, warlock, doc oc, capiw, NT, colossus, Hyperion can all step in and cover void stuff. Not much replacement for AA’s complete ability shutdown incl nodes.

Purely my own experience but I’ve found as my roster fills out and I get further into content I’m using AA more and void less although I’m happy to have both and currently piling science sigs into void.

Big_eggy

Archangel

For me this is a toss up, Archangel can do so much for your account, but so can Void. I use Archangel almost everywhere, if they can bled and poisoned he rips them apart like nothing. Then there’s your problem. If they’re immune he does nothing.
On to Void. Void does a lot (like AA) and the only situation in which he’d suck (I think) is a debuff immune character which is rarer than someone who is either bleed or poison immune.
Really I’d ask what content you’re doing and base it off that. Act 5, Archangel will do almost everything.
If you’re asking for my opinion I’d have to say Archangel because seeing a character’s health tick away is so fun to watch.

Hammerbro_64

Void

I would lean towards Void because there is so much junk he gets past. But also AA does that too...

I guess Void because he has immunities and isn’t affected by anyone’s immunities (besides TM and EF, but they are exceptions)

LordSmasher

Archangel

I find Void a chore to put in my team. He's awesome against a few select match ups but AA has far more uses.

Polygon

@Aleor how does void cover more fights? Isnt he only used for regen/power gain fights?

ThatGuyYouSaw235

I used mine on Void between him and Omega Red, I had Void at a higher rank and I had stockpiled science sig stones as I don't have anything worth investing them into and I barely had sig stones for Omega because they'd all go to Colossus and plus I didn't run suicides nor do I have a champion with Void's utility at this point.

SmallTimeANT

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

Sarvanga1_

Void

SmallTimeANT said:

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.

Kill_Grey

Archangel

Sarvanga1_ said:

SmallTimeANT said:

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.

Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?

Berjibs

Archangel

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Sarvanga1_

Void

Kill_Grey said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

SmallTimeANT said:

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.

Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?

All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.

Kill_Grey

Archangel

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.

Sarvanga1_ said:

Kill_Grey said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

SmallTimeANT said:

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.

Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?

All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.

Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.

Sarvanga1_

Void

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Your love of warlock equals mine. We are warlock bros man. How did you kill that adaptoid boss with warlock? I am stuck there myself. I tried with blade but I just couldn't do the dex in the corner thing.
I was planning to use quake in that fight but if warlock can do that fight more easily it would be helpful for me.

Sarvanga1_

Void

Kill_Grey said:

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.

Sarvanga1_ said:

Kill_Grey said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

SmallTimeANT said:

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.

Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?

All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.

Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.

You are not understanding. These champs do much more than that. We are just pointing out utilities that they have in common with void.

Kill_Grey

Archangel

Sarvanga1_ said:

Kill_Grey said:

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.

Sarvanga1_ said:

Kill_Grey said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

SmallTimeANT said:

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.

Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?

All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.

Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.

You are not understanding. These champs do much more than that. We are just pointing out utilities that they have in common with void.

Understandable, but I assume you're not basing your opinions off of experience from playing with a high level Void.

If you have, you would probably understand my POV.

Berjibs

Archangel

Kill_Grey said:

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.

Sarvanga1_ said:

Kill_Grey said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

SmallTimeANT said:

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.

Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?

All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.

Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.

Torch doesn’t need despair. Read his abilities.

I’ve killed regen electro with warlock. Heavy spam and bleeds. Took damage but I killed him first and warlock can regen so all good.

Dude not saying void can’t do all that stuff but if you’ve already got it covered in your roster (which despite your protestations the OP does) then you can afford to invest in a champ like AA who does something you don’t have covered which is 100% ability reduction.


Ultimately it’s their decision, we are just trying to give good advice.

Berjibs

Archangel

Sarvanga1_ said:

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Your love of warlock equals mine. We are warlock bros man. How did you kill that adaptoid boss with warlock? I am stuck there myself. I tried with blade but I just couldn't do the dex in the corner thing.
I was planning to use quake in that fight but if warlock can do that fight more easily it would be helpful for me.

Bait heavies and heavy counter mainly.

Hyperion is also a great counter, do you have him? A maxed 4* can do it.

Sarvanga1_

Void

Berjibs said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Your love of warlock equals mine. We are warlock bros man. How did you kill that adaptoid boss with warlock? I am stuck there myself. I tried with blade but I just couldn't do the dex in the corner thing.
I was planning to use quake in that fight but if warlock can do that fight more easily it would be helpful for me.

Bait heavies and heavy counter mainly

Did he not evade any of them? Or if he evaded did the spacing become too big for him to counter?

Berjibs

Archangel

Sarvanga1_ said:

Berjibs said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Your love of warlock equals mine. We are warlock bros man. How did you kill that adaptoid boss with warlock? I am stuck there myself. I tried with blade but I just couldn't do the dex in the corner thing.
I was planning to use quake in that fight but if warlock can do that fight more easily it would be helpful for me.

Bait heavies and heavy counter mainly

Did he not evade any of them? Or if he evaded did the spacing become too big for him to counter?

Correct he wasn’t punishing those he evaded.

Kill_Grey

Archangel

Berjibs said:

Kill_Grey said:

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.

Sarvanga1_ said:

Kill_Grey said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

SmallTimeANT said:

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.

Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?

All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.

Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.

Torch doesn’t need despair. Read his abilities.

I’ve killed regen electro with warlock. Heavy spam and bleeds. Took damage but I killed him first and warlock can regen so all good.

Dude not saying void can’t do all that stuff but if you’ve already got it covered in your roster (which despite your protestations the OP does) then you can afford to invest in a champ like AA who does something you don’t have covered which is 100% ability reduction.


Ultimately it’s their decision, we are just trying to give good advice.

Void doesn't need despair either. And he benefits to a relatively lesser extent than Torch does.

I'm also not saying that Warlock can't do that electro, but Void can without needing to take chip damage.

Also yes, this thread is about AA and Void. It's you guys that brought up the other stuff.

Lastly, it's a poll. The results say a lot already. At this point, we're probably just confusing the OP with our "advice".

Sarvanga1_

Void

Berjibs said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Your love of warlock equals mine. We are warlock bros man. How did you kill that adaptoid boss with warlock? I am stuck there myself. I tried with blade but I just couldn't do the dex in the corner thing.
I was planning to use quake in that fight but if warlock can do that fight more easily it would be helpful for me.

Bait heavies and heavy counter mainly.

Hyperion is also a great counter, do you have him? A maxed 4* can do it.

Yeah I have hype . Would take him as well.
But sometimes adaptoid is too aggressive for me to gain 3 bars of power.

Sarvanga1_

Void

Kill_Grey said:

Berjibs said:

Kill_Grey said:

Berjibs said:

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.

Sarvanga1_ said:

Kill_Grey said:

Sarvanga1_ said:

SmallTimeANT said:

Etjama said:

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.

Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?

All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.

Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.

Torch doesn’t need despair. Read his abilities.

I’ve killed regen electro with warlock. Heavy spam and bleeds. Took damage but I killed him first and warlock can regen so all good.

Dude not saying void can’t do all that stuff but if you’ve already got it covered in your roster (which despite your protestations the OP does) then you can afford to invest in a champ like AA who does something you don’t have covered which is 100% ability reduction.


Ultimately it’s their decision, we are just trying to give good advice.

Void doesn't need despair either. And he benefits to a relatively lesser extent than Torch does.

I'm also not saying that Warlock can't do that electro, but Void can without needing to take chip damage.

Also yes, this thread is about AA and Void. It's you guys that brought up the other stuff.

Lastly, it's a poll. The results say a lot already. At this point, we're probably just confusing the OP with our "advice".

We guys brought up the other stuff ?! I just said he didn't need void that much right now.So he would be better off ranking up AA.You were the one who took it personal and started arguing.