Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
his utility is not overrated, and his damage is not bad esp while under reverb and true strike
His damage is nowhere near Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost who can all do what he does and so much more
Then why have literally any other champ in the game? Why have your big daddy apoc if someone else can do it better?
Nice discussion OP! I still don't really see what's that amazing about his damage, but it's still great
No one is a better anti-purify counter than Apocalypse, and I will defend that with everything I've got. (-100% the ENTIRE fight, no need to hit or anything like Omega to 10 spores)
No one has access to a weakness as easily and consistently as Apocalypse.
And the other things he does he's in the top 3 in the mutant class for.
He's in the top 2 incinerate immune mutant champions.
He's in the top 2 DOT mutant champions.
He's a top special attack damage dealer.
Among other things.
Comparing Apocalypse to Killmonger is laughable. One needs a tune-up while the other is a dominant mutant champion.
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I’m of the opinion that utility vastly outweighs damage. They’re both good champs. It’s entirely possible both puff and I overrate our respective champs. But I’ve got my 6* duped Killmonger and I’ve never regretted. You won’t use him for every fight, but where he works, he freaking works
I can’t emphasise how useful his true strike and indestructible is. Some (*cough* KD *cough*) think this is ‘little utility’. But it covers a lot of the most annoying defenders and nodes in the game
Just don’t expect him to be hitting like Cosmic Ghost Rider.
If I need true strike I'll just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost. Or frankly any champion who can counter evade and not hit crits as hard as Venompool. And as for the indestructible, just don't get hit. There are guides all over youtube on how not to get hit (this doesn't apply to you btw, I know you're a godly player). A lot of champions have safety nets in the form of indestructible, high block proficiency/armor, immunities, shrug off abilities, and can do so much more damage than Killmonger.
I'd like to see a Killmonger tune-up or update in the future.
I’ve never said he’s better than Nick fury or ghost
And good luck taking on an autoblock champ with them.
The indestructible charges, while they are a safety net, as useful so other significant ways. Such as tanking SP3’s in very high power gain scenarios, mitigating block damage from unavoidable specials, and indeed being a safety net
The only thing he needs is his bleeds being able to stack.
And don’t act like Apoc is a dud is your only bad take. Colossus third best champ? CGR third best champ? And that’s not an exhaustive list. I love ya KD, but your takes on champs are just awful
Well if you do have the Wasp synergy then Ghost's specials are unblockable and Nick Fury has a mechanic for autoblock where he doesn't get stunned but I see that's not the point you're trying to make
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
his utility is not overrated, and his damage is not bad esp while under reverb and true strike
His damage is nowhere near Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost who can all do what he does and so much more
Then why have literally any other champ in the game? Why have your big daddy apoc if someone else can do it better?
Nice discussion OP! I still don't really see what's that amazing about his damage, but it's still great
No one is a better anti-purify counter than Apocalypse, and I will defend that with everything I've got. (-100% the ENTIRE fight, no need to hit or anything like Omega to 10 spores)
No one has access to a weakness as easily and consistently as Apocalypse.
And the other things he does he's in the top 3 in the mutant class for.
He's in the top 2 incinerate immune mutant champions.
He's in the top 2 DOT mutant champions.
He's a top special attack damage dealer.
Among other things.
Comparing Apocalypse to Killmonger is laughable. One needs a tune-up while the other is a dominant mutant champion.
Saying stuff like "KM needs a tune up" is just laughable, plain and simple.
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
Apocalypse is a dud. Colossus is the third best champion in the game.
I can’t listen to you
"Apocalypse is a dud" was an oversight on my part. I was just doing my part to protect the champ from not coming out as a dud. He ended up becoming a top 5 mutant champion.
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
Apocalypse is a dud. Colossus is the third best champion in the game.
I can’t listen to you
"Apocalypse is a dud" was an oversight on my part. I was just doing my part to protect the champ from not coming out as a dud. He ended up becoming a top 5 mutant champion.
the fact he’s a top 5 mutant has nothing to do with you tho
When did I ever take credit for him?????? I just said that "Apocalypse is a dud" was a bad post on my part, and he ended up being a top 5 mutant champion. I didn't have anything to do with that lol. I was very wrong about Apocalypse during his release.
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I’m of the opinion that utility vastly outweighs damage. They’re both good champs. It’s entirely possible both puff and I overrate our respective champs. But I’ve got my 6* duped Killmonger and I’ve never regretted. You won’t use him for every fight, but where he works, he freaking works
I can’t emphasise how useful his true strike and indestructible is. Some (*cough* KD *cough*) think this is ‘little utility’. But it covers a lot of the most annoying defenders and nodes in the game
Just don’t expect him to be hitting like Cosmic Ghost Rider.
If I need true strike I'll just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost. Or frankly any champion who can counter evade and not hit crits as hard as Venompool. And as for the indestructible, just don't get hit. There are guides all over youtube on how not to get hit (this doesn't apply to you btw, I know you're a godly player). A lot of champions have safety nets in the form of indestructible, high block proficiency/armor, immunities, shrug off abilities, and can do so much more damage than Killmonger.
I'd like to see a Killmonger tune-up or update in the future.
I’ve never said he’s better than Nick fury or ghost
And good luck taking on an autoblock champ with them.
The indestructible charges, while they are a safety net, as useful so other significant ways. Such as tanking SP3’s in very high power gain scenarios, mitigating block damage from unavoidable specials, and indeed being a safety net
The only thing he needs is his bleeds being able to stack.
And don’t act like Apoc is a dud is your only bad take. Colossus third best champ? CGR third best champ? And that’s not an exhaustive list. I love ya KD, but your takes on champs are just awful
Well if you do have the Wasp synergy then Ghost's specials are unblockable and Nick Fury has a mechanic for autoblock where he doesn't get stunned but I see that's not the point you're trying to make
Only specials is a bit tenuous. Believe I’ve tried. Nick fury does go stun immune, and in second life it’s great because he’s unblockable, but I think Killmonger is a safer option in that regard. There is a still a lot that can go wrong even if you don’t get stunned
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
his utility is not overrated, and his damage is not bad esp while under reverb and true strike
His damage is nowhere near Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost who can all do what he does and so much more
Then why have literally any other champ in the game? Why have your big daddy apoc if someone else can do it better?
Nice discussion OP! I still don't really see what's that amazing about his damage, but it's still great
No one is a better anti-purify counter than Apocalypse, and I will defend that with everything I've got. (-100% the ENTIRE fight, no need to hit or anything like Omega to 10 spores)
No one has access to a weakness as easily and consistently as Apocalypse.
And the other things he does he's in the top 3 in the mutant class for.
He's in the top 2 incinerate immune mutant champions.
He's in the top 2 DOT mutant champions.
He's a top special attack damage dealer.
Among other things.
Comparing Apocalypse to Killmonger is laughable. One needs a tune-up while the other is a dominant mutant champion.
exactly, so why is killmonger bad? There are very few true strike champions, and very few champions with any sort of indestructible
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
Apocalypse is a dud. Colossus is the third best champion in the game.
I can’t listen to you
"Apocalypse is a dud" was an oversight on my part. I was just doing my part to protect the champ from not coming out as a dud. He ended up becoming a top 5 mutant champion.
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
Apocalypse is a dud. Colossus is the third best champion in the game.
I can’t listen to you
"Apocalypse is a dud" was an oversight on my part. I was just doing my part to protect the champ from not coming out as a dud. He ended up becoming a top 5 mutant champion.
the fact he’s a top 5 mutant has nothing to do with you tho
When did I ever take credit for him?????? I just said that "Apocalypse is a dud" was a bad post on my part, and he ended up being a top 5 mutant champion. I didn't have anything to do with that lol. I was very wrong about Apocalypse during his release.
It's just that you said you were doing your part to make sure he didn't end up a dud. So that implies you're having some kind of part in it.
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
his utility is not overrated, and his damage is not bad esp while under reverb and true strike
His damage is nowhere near Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost who can all do what he does and so much more
Then why have literally any other champ in the game? Why have your big daddy apoc if someone else can do it better?
Nice discussion OP! I still don't really see what's that amazing about his damage, but it's still great
No one is a better anti-purify counter than Apocalypse, and I will defend that with everything I've got. (-100% the ENTIRE fight, no need to hit or anything like Omega to 10 spores)
No one has access to a weakness as easily and consistently as Apocalypse.
Comparing Apocalypse to Killmonger is laughable. One needs a tune-up while the other is a dominant mutant champion.
Ummm. Cap IW with another science team member literally applies a STACKING weakness on a well timed block.
In any case, this is why I don't classify Champs. Once in a while, it's a good earmark on who to pay attention to, but there's so much lost with only sticking to Lists. Not to mention they're getting ridiculous. "Demi-God, Godly God, Super Samiyan God Demi-Fate,....."
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I've been thinking of ranking Ronin, but just pulled a 5* KM from a gmc I've got 2 skill AGs but they're both being saved because I'm stubborn, therefore both are unduped. Looks like I've got two guides and some reading to do.
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I’m of the opinion that utility vastly outweighs damage. They’re both good champs. It’s entirely possible both puff and I overrate our respective champs. But I’ve got my 6* duped Killmonger and I’ve never regretted. You won’t use him for every fight, but where he works, he freaking works
I can’t emphasise how useful his true strike and indestructible is. Some (*cough* KD *cough*) think this is ‘little utility’. But it covers a lot of the most annoying defenders and nodes in the game
Just don’t expect him to be hitting like Cosmic Ghost Rider.
If I need true strike I'll just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost. Or frankly any champion who can counter evade and not hit crits as hard as Venompool. And as for the indestructible, just don't get hit. There are guides all over youtube on how not to get hit (this doesn't apply to you btw, I know you're a godly player). A lot of champions have safety nets in the form of indestructible, high block proficiency/armor, immunities, shrug off abilities, and can do so much more damage than Killmonger.
I'd like to see a Killmonger tune-up or update in the future.
True strike ignores evade, auto block and resistances, just gonna point that out as you seem to not be aware, "don't get hit" so you are telling me you have never gotten hit, it is very useful for all or nothing and tanking sp3s.
So Killmonger can gain indestructible and have true strike, so he's just a lesser version of Falcon then. Falcon can reduce the opponent's AAR by 100%, something Killmonger can only dream of. Falcon's damage increases in evade matchups, while Killmonger's doesn't. Falcon can fully counter some of the hardest matchups in the game, such as all sorts of DOT nodes (biohazard, freezer burn), Thing, Korg, Electro, and many more.
For your description of true strike, how many times do you need to deal with auto-block? And if you need to, then you can just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost, the same champions that were mentioned. As for resistances, I've almost never seen anyone die to resistances, it's just an extra little thing.
Obviously I've gotten hit but saying that Killmonger's sp2 indestructible (which doesn't truly make him indestructible) which also triggers while blocking is a huge piece of utility makes Sentry look good with his indestructibility (slight exaggeration here). Killmonger's indestructible only applies to hits taken (on you directly or on block), meaning he takes full damage from ALL debuffs, unlike the TRUE indestructibility of champions like CMM, who takes 0 damage from all debuffs AND hits and hits way harder than KM.
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I’m of the opinion that utility vastly outweighs damage. They’re both good champs. It’s entirely possible both puff and I overrate our respective champs. But I’ve got my 6* duped Killmonger and I’ve never regretted. You won’t use him for every fight, but where he works, he freaking works
I can’t emphasise how useful his true strike and indestructible is. Some (*cough* KD *cough*) think this is ‘little utility’. But it covers a lot of the most annoying defenders and nodes in the game
Just don’t expect him to be hitting like Cosmic Ghost Rider.
If I need true strike I'll just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost. Or frankly any champion who can counter evade and not hit crits as hard as Venompool. And as for the indestructible, just don't get hit. There are guides all over youtube on how not to get hit (this doesn't apply to you btw, I know you're a godly player). A lot of champions have safety nets in the form of indestructible, high block proficiency/armor, immunities, shrug off abilities, and can do so much more damage than Killmonger.
I'd like to see a Killmonger tune-up or update in the future.
True strike ignores evade, auto block and resistances, just gonna point that out as you seem to not be aware, "don't get hit" so you are telling me you have never gotten hit, it is very useful for all or nothing and tanking sp3s.
Not to mention Mixmaster.
Any champion can beat Mixmaster.
And if you need to beat Mixmaster in AW, just use a champion who won't time out (so not Killmonger).
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I've been thinking of ranking Ronin, but just pulled a 5* KM from a gmc I've got 2 skill AGs but they're both being saved because I'm stubborn, therefore both are unduped. Looks like I've got two guides and some reading to do.
I had my 6* Killmonger at R3 for about 5 months, didn’t regret if a bit. Can’t speak for ronin, but Killmonger is definitely worth the rank up unduped. The dupe is only damage, so it depends how highly you value that
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I've been thinking of ranking Ronin, but just pulled a 5* KM from a gmc I've got 2 skill AGs but they're both being saved because I'm stubborn, therefore both are unduped. Looks like I've got two guides and some reading to do.
I had my 6* Killmonger at R3 for about 5 months, didn’t regret if a bit. Can’t speak for ronin, but Killmonger is definitely worth the rank up unduped. The dupe is only damage, so it depends how highly you value that
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I’m of the opinion that utility vastly outweighs damage. They’re both good champs. It’s entirely possible both puff and I overrate our respective champs. But I’ve got my 6* duped Killmonger and I’ve never regretted. You won’t use him for every fight, but where he works, he freaking works
I can’t emphasise how useful his true strike and indestructible is. Some (*cough* KD *cough*) think this is ‘little utility’. But it covers a lot of the most annoying defenders and nodes in the game
Just don’t expect him to be hitting like Cosmic Ghost Rider.
If I need true strike I'll just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost. Or frankly any champion who can counter evade and not hit crits as hard as Venompool. And as for the indestructible, just don't get hit. There are guides all over youtube on how not to get hit (this doesn't apply to you btw, I know you're a godly player). A lot of champions have safety nets in the form of indestructible, high block proficiency/armor, immunities, shrug off abilities, and can do so much more damage than Killmonger.
I'd like to see a Killmonger tune-up or update in the future.
True strike ignores evade, auto block and resistances, just gonna point that out as you seem to not be aware, "don't get hit" so you are telling me you have never gotten hit, it is very useful for all or nothing and tanking sp3s.
Not to mention Mixmaster.
Any champion can beat Mixmaster.
And if you need to beat Mixmaster in AW, just use a champion who won't time out (so not Killmonger).
I’ve never timed out with Killmonger and I’m in T2, don’t talk rubbish
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I’m of the opinion that utility vastly outweighs damage. They’re both good champs. It’s entirely possible both puff and I overrate our respective champs. But I’ve got my 6* duped Killmonger and I’ve never regretted. You won’t use him for every fight, but where he works, he freaking works
I can’t emphasise how useful his true strike and indestructible is. Some (*cough* KD *cough*) think this is ‘little utility’. But it covers a lot of the most annoying defenders and nodes in the game
Just don’t expect him to be hitting like Cosmic Ghost Rider.
If I need true strike I'll just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost. Or frankly any champion who can counter evade and not hit crits as hard as Venompool. And as for the indestructible, just don't get hit. There are guides all over youtube on how not to get hit (this doesn't apply to you btw, I know you're a godly player). A lot of champions have safety nets in the form of indestructible, high block proficiency/armor, immunities, shrug off abilities, and can do so much more damage than Killmonger.
I'd like to see a Killmonger tune-up or update in the future.
True strike ignores evade, auto block and resistances, just gonna point that out as you seem to not be aware, "don't get hit" so you are telling me you have never gotten hit, it is very useful for all or nothing and tanking sp3s.
Not to mention Mixmaster.
Any champion can beat Mixmaster.
And if you need to beat Mixmaster in AW, just use a champion who won't time out (so not Killmonger).
Yes, if you want to adjust your Combo, but having that Evade fail is very useful. You can't honestly look at overall usefulness by comparing them to what other Champs can do. They're either useful for something or they're not.
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I’m of the opinion that utility vastly outweighs damage. They’re both good champs. It’s entirely possible both puff and I overrate our respective champs. But I’ve got my 6* duped Killmonger and I’ve never regretted. You won’t use him for every fight, but where he works, he freaking works
I can’t emphasise how useful his true strike and indestructible is. Some (*cough* KD *cough*) think this is ‘little utility’. But it covers a lot of the most annoying defenders and nodes in the game
Just don’t expect him to be hitting like Cosmic Ghost Rider.
If I need true strike I'll just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost. Or frankly any champion who can counter evade and not hit crits as hard as Venompool. And as for the indestructible, just don't get hit. There are guides all over youtube on how not to get hit (this doesn't apply to you btw, I know you're a godly player). A lot of champions have safety nets in the form of indestructible, high block proficiency/armor, immunities, shrug off abilities, and can do so much more damage than Killmonger.
I'd like to see a Killmonger tune-up or update in the future.
I’ve never said he’s better than Nick fury or ghost
And good luck taking on an autoblock champ with them.
The indestructible charges, while they are a safety net, as useful so other significant ways. Such as tanking SP3’s in very high power gain scenarios, mitigating block damage from unavoidable specials, and indeed being a safety net
The only thing he needs is his bleeds being able to stack.
And don’t act like Apoc is a dud is your only bad take. Colossus third best champ? CGR third best champ? And that’s not an exhaustive list. I love ya KD, but your takes on champs are just awful
GREAT POINTS.
As for the autoblock counter, Nick Fury when he's unblockable can fully counter it and also he's stun immune hitting into autoblock per his abilities. Falcon can also reduce the AAR of autoblock occurring by 100% so he works too. @Agent_X_zzz provided me with insight today of why Ghost is an autoblock counter as well.
Tanking sp3s is pretty nice, but Iceman (and a few other champs) can do that too and counter evade with a shorter timer. Iceman seems similar to Killmonger, with Iceman having the edge in terms of immunities but Killmonger having a more sustainable anti-evade counter mechanic.
TRUE, I would love to see him get a buff to be able to stack bleeds like Moon Knight got earlier this year.
Yes, I've had a couple bad takes. And as for CGR 3rd best champ, I still think he's a top 5 champ (but that's a discussion for another time). 😄
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I've been thinking of ranking Ronin, but just pulled a 5* KM from a gmc I've got 2 skill AGs but they're both being saved because I'm stubborn, therefore both are unduped. Looks like I've got two guides and some reading to do.
I had my 6* Killmonger at R3 for about 5 months, didn’t regret if a bit. Can’t speak for ronin, but Killmonger is definitely worth the rank up unduped. The dupe is only damage, so it depends how highly you value that
I'd definitely say I've got plenty damage dealers already.
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
his utility is not overrated, and his damage is not bad esp while under reverb and true strike
His damage is nowhere near Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost who can all do what he does and so much more
Then why have literally any other champ in the game? Why have your big daddy apoc if someone else can do it better?
Nice discussion OP! I still don't really see what's that amazing about his damage, but it's still great
No one is a better anti-purify counter than Apocalypse, and I will defend that with everything I've got. (-100% the ENTIRE fight, no need to hit or anything like Omega to 10 spores)
No one has access to a weakness as easily and consistently as Apocalypse.
Comparing Apocalypse to Killmonger is laughable. One needs a tune-up while the other is a dominant mutant champion.
Ummm. Cap IW with another science team member literally applies a STACKING weakness on a well timed block.
Apocalypse can also consistently keep up his weakness without any synergy members.
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I’m of the opinion that utility vastly outweighs damage. They’re both good champs. It’s entirely possible both puff and I overrate our respective champs. But I’ve got my 6* duped Killmonger and I’ve never regretted. You won’t use him for every fight, but where he works, he freaking works
I can’t emphasise how useful his true strike and indestructible is. Some (*cough* KD *cough*) think this is ‘little utility’. But it covers a lot of the most annoying defenders and nodes in the game
Just don’t expect him to be hitting like Cosmic Ghost Rider.
If I need true strike I'll just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost. Or frankly any champion who can counter evade and not hit crits as hard as Venompool. And as for the indestructible, just don't get hit. There are guides all over youtube on how not to get hit (this doesn't apply to you btw, I know you're a godly player). A lot of champions have safety nets in the form of indestructible, high block proficiency/armor, immunities, shrug off abilities, and can do so much more damage than Killmonger.
I'd like to see a Killmonger tune-up or update in the future.
I’ve never said he’s better than Nick fury or ghost
And good luck taking on an autoblock champ with them.
The indestructible charges, while they are a safety net, as useful so other significant ways. Such as tanking SP3’s in very high power gain scenarios, mitigating block damage from unavoidable specials, and indeed being a safety net
The only thing he needs is his bleeds being able to stack.
And don’t act like Apoc is a dud is your only bad take. Colossus third best champ? CGR third best champ? And that’s not an exhaustive list. I love ya KD, but your takes on champs are just awful
GREAT POINTS.
As for the autoblock counter, Nick Fury when he's unblockable can fully counter it and also he's stun immune hitting into autoblock per his abilities. Falcon can also reduce the AAR of autoblock occurring by 100% so he works too. @Agent_X_zzz provided me with insight today of why Ghost is an autoblock counter as well.
Tanking sp3s is pretty nice, but Iceman (and a few other champs) can do that too and counter evade with a shorter timer. Iceman seems similar to Killmonger, with Iceman having the edge in terms of immunities but Killmonger having a more sustainable anti-evade counter mechanic.
TRUE, I would love to see him get a buff to be able to stack bleeds like Moon Knight got earlier this year.
Yes, I've had a couple bad takes. And as for CGR 3rd best champ, I still think he's a top 5 champ (but that's a discussion for another time). 😄
I’ve actually compared him to iceman a lot. He sacrifices Iceman’s immunities for being more effective at certain things. Don’t need to sacrifice health to tank, can counter resistances, armour, autoblock and evade, and isn’t reliant on debuffs for it
It’s ironic because KM is my favourite champ and iceman is one of my least favourite
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
Apocalypse is a dud. Colossus is the third best champion in the game.
I can’t listen to you
"Apocalypse is a dud" was an oversight on my part. I was just doing my part to protect the champ from not coming out as a dud. He ended up becoming a top 5 mutant champion.
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
Apocalypse is a dud. Colossus is the third best champion in the game.
I can’t listen to you
"Apocalypse is a dud" was an oversight on my part. I was just doing my part to protect the champ from not coming out as a dud. He ended up becoming a top 5 mutant champion.
the fact he’s a top 5 mutant has nothing to do with you tho
When did I ever take credit for him?????? I just said that "Apocalypse is a dud" was a bad post on my part, and he ended up being a top 5 mutant champion. I didn't have anything to do with that lol. I was very wrong about Apocalypse during his release.
" I was just doing my part to protect the champ from not coming out as a dud. " ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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I worded that wrong but I meant that I made that thread cuz I was scared he'd become a dud (I've been a bit of an X-Men fan from when I was younger and I watched the movies and I've always really liked Apocalypse especially cuz he was one of the big bads of the X-Men). If I knew how good he actually was before CCP gameplay came, I wouldn't have made that thread. A mistake on my part.
Killmonger's utility is so overrated, he's got barely any. And his damage is pathetic.
Ronin is clear in both damage and utility.
his utility is not overrated, and his damage is not bad esp while under reverb and true strike
His damage is nowhere near Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost who can all do what he does and so much more
Then why have literally any other champ in the game? Why have your big daddy apoc if someone else can do it better?
Nice discussion OP! I still don't really see what's that amazing about his damage, but it's still great
No one is a better anti-purify counter than Apocalypse, and I will defend that with everything I've got. (-100% the ENTIRE fight, no need to hit or anything like Omega to 10 spores)
No one has access to a weakness as easily and consistently as Apocalypse.
Comparing Apocalypse to Killmonger is laughable. One needs a tune-up while the other is a dominant mutant champion.
Ummm. Cap IW with another science team member literally applies a STACKING weakness on a well timed block.
Apocalypse can also consistently keep up his weakness without any synergy members.
it’s not a synergy. You can bring any science champ and it applies weakness.
I have a Killmonger guide here. As puff has mentioned, Killmonger has better utility, Ronin has better damage
I’m of the opinion that utility vastly outweighs damage. They’re both good champs. It’s entirely possible both puff and I overrate our respective champs. But I’ve got my 6* duped Killmonger and I’ve never regretted. You won’t use him for every fight, but where he works, he freaking works
I can’t emphasise how useful his true strike and indestructible is. Some (*cough* KD *cough*) think this is ‘little utility’. But it covers a lot of the most annoying defenders and nodes in the game
Just don’t expect him to be hitting like Cosmic Ghost Rider.
If I need true strike I'll just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost. Or frankly any champion who can counter evade and not hit crits as hard as Venompool. And as for the indestructible, just don't get hit. There are guides all over youtube on how not to get hit (this doesn't apply to you btw, I know you're a godly player). A lot of champions have safety nets in the form of indestructible, high block proficiency/armor, immunities, shrug off abilities, and can do so much more damage than Killmonger.
I'd like to see a Killmonger tune-up or update in the future.
I’ve never said he’s better than Nick fury or ghost
And good luck taking on an autoblock champ with them.
The indestructible charges, while they are a safety net, as useful so other significant ways. Such as tanking SP3’s in very high power gain scenarios, mitigating block damage from unavoidable specials, and indeed being a safety net
The only thing he needs is his bleeds being able to stack.
And don’t act like Apoc is a dud is your only bad take. Colossus third best champ? CGR third best champ? And that’s not an exhaustive list. I love ya KD, but your takes on champs are just awful
GREAT POINTS.
As for the autoblock counter, Nick Fury when he's unblockable can fully counter it and also he's stun immune hitting into autoblock per his abilities. Falcon can also reduce the AAR of autoblock occurring by 100% so he works too. @Agent_X_zzz provided me with insight today of why Ghost is an autoblock counter as well.
Tanking sp3s is pretty nice, but Iceman (and a few other champs) can do that too and counter evade with a shorter timer. Iceman seems similar to Killmonger, with Iceman having the edge in terms of immunities but Killmonger having a more sustainable anti-evade counter mechanic.
TRUE, I would love to see him get a buff to be able to stack bleeds like Moon Knight got earlier this year.
Yes, I've had a couple bad takes. And as for CGR 3rd best champ, I still think he's a top 5 champ (but that's a discussion for another time). 😄
I see someone has never used the sp3 before. But yes, other than the sp3 it’d be nice.
Hahahaha, KD thinks Falcon is better than KM. That's hilarious. This is almost as bad as the "Apocalypse is a dud" thread.
Actually, I’m going to slightly defend KD here. I’ve not seen enough from falcon to make a full judgement, but I do think falcon could be. And I have a 6* R3 Killmonger who’s my favourite champ. So I don’t make that statement lightly
Falcon has some pretty good damage, especially in evade matchups, and -100% DAAR is stupidly powerful. My only doubt is it’s practicality with the downtime, which is what I need to both see and test before I fully judge him
Hahahaha, KD thinks Falcon is better than KM. That's hilarious. This is almost as bad as the "Apocalypse is a dud" thread.
Actually, I’m going to slightly defend KD here. I’ve not seen enough from falcon to make a full judgement, but I do think falcon could be. And I have a 6* R3 Killmonger who’s my favourite champ. So I don’t make that statement lightly
Falcon has some pretty good damage, especially in evade matchups, and -100% DAAR is stupidly powerful. My only doubt is it’s practicality with the downtime, which is what I need to both see and test before I fully judge him
the damage is there but the utility isn’t. And if you aren’t watching the timer in certain matchups (mix master) you’ll slip up and take a combo to the face.
Hahahaha, KD thinks Falcon is better than KM. That's hilarious. This is almost as bad as the "Apocalypse is a dud" thread.
Actually, I’m going to slightly defend KD here. I’ve not seen enough from falcon to make a full judgement, but I do think falcon could be. And I have a 6* R3 Killmonger who’s my favourite champ. So I don’t make that statement lightly
Falcon has some pretty good damage, especially in evade matchups, and -100% DAAR is stupidly powerful. My only doubt is it’s practicality with the downtime, which is what I need to both see and test before I fully judge him
the damage is there but the utility isn’t. And if you aren’t watching the timer in certain matchups (mix master) you’ll slip up and take a combo to the face.
I mean, -100% DAAR covers a sh*t ton of stuff. But yeah that timer is what I’m hesitant about
Accessible 100% uptime on an auto-block and evade counter, ignores armor and resistances, has easy access to intercepts with his unstoppable charges which is something that makes Ghost so valuable, 7 hit combos that allow you to give your opponent more power which creates more openings, indestructible charges that let you tank Sp3's, take no damage on blocked hits, and provides a safety net, and big burst damage on the Sp3 in longer fights.
Hahahaha, KD thinks Falcon is better than KM. That's hilarious. This is almost as bad as the "Apocalypse is a dud" thread.
Actually, I’m going to slightly defend KD here. I’ve not seen enough from falcon to make a full judgement, but I do think falcon could be. And I have a 6* R3 Killmonger who’s my favourite champ. So I don’t make that statement lightly
Falcon has some pretty good damage, especially in evade matchups, and -100% DAAR is stupidly powerful. My only doubt is it’s practicality with the downtime, which is what I need to both see and test before I fully judge him
the damage is there but the utility isn’t. And if you aren’t watching the timer in certain matchups (mix master) you’ll slip up and take a combo to the face.
saying the utility isn't there when he has a fat -100% DAAR is just wrong lol
-100% DAAR can counter so so so many interactions/nodes in the game it's unreal
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No one has access to a weakness as easily and consistently as Apocalypse.
And the other things he does he's in the top 3 in the mutant class for.
He's in the top 2 incinerate immune mutant champions.
He's in the top 2 DOT mutant champions.
He's a top special attack damage dealer.
Among other things.
Comparing Apocalypse to Killmonger is laughable. One needs a tune-up while the other is a dominant mutant champion.
I've got 2 skill AGs but they're both being saved because I'm stubborn, therefore both are unduped.
Looks like I've got two guides and some reading to do.
For your description of true strike, how many times do you need to deal with auto-block? And if you need to, then you can just use Nick Fury, Falcon, or Ghost, the same champions that were mentioned. As for resistances, I've almost never seen anyone die to resistances, it's just an extra little thing.
Obviously I've gotten hit but saying that Killmonger's sp2 indestructible (which doesn't truly make him indestructible) which also triggers while blocking is a huge piece of utility makes Sentry look good with his indestructibility (slight exaggeration here). Killmonger's indestructible only applies to hits taken (on you directly or on block), meaning he takes full damage from ALL debuffs, unlike the TRUE indestructibility of champions like CMM, who takes 0 damage from all debuffs AND hits and hits way harder than KM.
And if you need to beat Mixmaster in AW, just use a champion who won't time out (so not Killmonger).
As for the autoblock counter, Nick Fury when he's unblockable can fully counter it and also he's stun immune hitting into autoblock per his abilities. Falcon can also reduce the AAR of autoblock occurring by 100% so he works too. @Agent_X_zzz provided me with insight today of why Ghost is an autoblock counter as well.
Tanking sp3s is pretty nice, but Iceman (and a few other champs) can do that too and counter evade with a shorter timer. Iceman seems similar to Killmonger, with Iceman having the edge in terms of immunities but Killmonger having a more sustainable anti-evade counter mechanic.
TRUE, I would love to see him get a buff to be able to stack bleeds like Moon Knight got earlier this year.
Yes, I've had a couple bad takes. And as for CGR 3rd best champ, I still think he's a top 5 champ (but that's a discussion for another time). 😄
It’s ironic because KM is my favourite champ and iceman is one of my least favourite
Falcon has some pretty good damage, especially in evade matchups, and -100% DAAR is stupidly powerful. My only doubt is it’s practicality with the downtime, which is what I need to both see and test before I fully judge him
Accessible 100% uptime on an auto-block and evade counter, ignores armor and resistances, has easy access to intercepts with his unstoppable charges which is something that makes Ghost so valuable, 7 hit combos that allow you to give your opponent more power which creates more openings, indestructible charges that let you tank Sp3's, take no damage on blocked hits, and provides a safety net, and big burst damage on the Sp3 in longer fights.
But sure... Killmonger's bad.
-100% DAAR can counter so so so many interactions/nodes in the game it's unreal