I think both Symbiote and Sorceress Supreme share the 3rd spot.
I still don't understand why people would place sym supreme as highly as sorcerer. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
To me, sym doesn't even break the top 8 mystics.
Because of his complete dominance in buff heavy matchups. If you've used him in those matches best suited for him, there's no denying his usefulness.
Also, who would you place above him?
That is basically the only thing he does.
I'd put Doom, Claire, sorcerer, tigra, Morningstar, Mojo, dragon man, Longshot, above him. Even mephisto and dormammu have much more utility than him.
I want to start by saying no one thinks Longshot is 3rd.
But yikes @Kill_Grey that is a KD level take. Sym Supreme is still maybe the most reliable nullifier when duped, he can cheese so much stuff with the blessing that nullifies, he has MASSIVE bleed damage and is by far the best counter to 6.3.1 Medusa. He can tank sp3s if needed, he gains a ton of armor that makes his block proficiency amazing. He also hits decently hard and his sp2 has 2 nice utilities.
I think both Symbiote and Sorceress Supreme share the 3rd spot.
I still don't understand why people would place sym supreme as highly as sorcerer. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
To me, sym doesn't even break the top 8 mystics.
Because of his complete dominance in buff heavy matchups. If you've used him in those matches best suited for him, there's no denying his usefulness.
Also, who would you place above him?
That is basically the only thing he does.
I'd put Doom, Claire, sorcerer, tigra, Morningstar, Mojo, dragon man, Longshot, above him. Even mephisto and dormammu have much more utility than him.
He is niche but he works fantastically in those matchups.
When those "matchups" is exclusive to 1% of scenarios, you know there's a problem.
What a gross exaggeration. Pretty much any matchup with one or two consistent buffs he can absolutely dominate. He’s basically a mystic torch/archangel. Take your pick whichever you prefer.
He’s not as good as either of those champs, but absolutely as dominant where he works. Sym supreme has been one of the all time MVP’s for my account, and still sees incredibly frequent use even with Claire, doom, magik, Kali, etc
I'd still rather use Longshot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thats madness. SS is much better, LS has very little utiliry.
I think both Symbiote and Sorceress Supreme share the 3rd spot.
I still don't understand why people would place sym supreme as highly as sorcerer. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
To me, sym doesn't even break the top 8 mystics.
Because of his complete dominance in buff heavy matchups. If you've used him in those matches best suited for him, there's no denying his usefulness.
Also, who would you place above him?
That is basically the only thing he does.
I'd put Doom, Claire, sorcerer, tigra, Morningstar, Mojo, dragon man, Longshot, above him. Even mephisto and dormammu have much more utility than him.
I want to start by saying no one thinks Longshot is 3rd.
But yikes @Kill_Grey that is a KD level take. Sym Supreme is still maybe the most reliable nullifier when duped, he can cheese so much stuff with the blessing that nullifies, he has MASSIVE bleed damage and is by far the best counter to 6.3.1 Medusa. He can tank sp3s if needed, he gains a ton of armor that makes his block proficiency amazing. He also hits decently hard and his sp2 has 2 nice utilities.
I think both Symbiote and Sorceress Supreme share the 3rd spot.
I still don't understand why people would place sym supreme as highly as sorcerer. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
To me, sym doesn't even break the top 8 mystics.
Because of his complete dominance in buff heavy matchups. If you've used him in those matches best suited for him, there's no denying his usefulness.
Also, who would you place above him?
That is basically the only thing he does.
I'd put Doom, Claire, sorcerer, tigra, Morningstar, Mojo, dragon man, Longshot, above him. Even mephisto and dormammu have much more utility than him.
He is niche but he works fantastically in those matchups.
When those "matchups" is exclusive to 1% of scenarios, you know there's a problem.
What a gross exaggeration. Pretty much any matchup with one or two consistent buffs he can absolutely dominate. He’s basically a mystic torch/archangel. Take your pick whichever you prefer.
He’s not as good as either of those champs, but absolutely as dominant where he works. Sym supreme has been one of the all time MVP’s for my account, and still sees incredibly frequent use even with Claire, doom, magik, Kali, etc
I'd still rather use Longshot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thats madness. SS is much better, LS has very little utiliry.
@Kill_Grey I think we've all learned that your opinion on a champ is never solidified till you have that champ as a 5* R5. Hence why you think Warlock and Sym are overrated. Just wait.
Also, who in their right mind thinks Longshot is #3 Mystic?
@Kill_Grey I think we've all learned that your opinion on a champ is never solidified till you have that champ as a 5* R5. Hence why you think Warlock and Sym are overrated. Just wait.
Here's the thing. I do have a 5* sym for a pretty long time now. And I've tried to bring myself to take him to rank 5, but I just...can't find a place for him.
@Kill_Grey I think we've all learned that your opinion on a champ is never solidified till you have that champ as a 5* R5. Hence why you think Warlock and Sym are overrated. Just wait.
Also, who in their right mind thinks Longshot is #3 Mystic?
@Kill_Grey I think we've all learned that your opinion on a champ is never solidified till you have that champ as a 5* R5. Hence why you think Warlock and Sym are overrated. Just wait.
Here's the thing. I do have a 5* sym for a pretty long time now. And I've tried to bring myself to take him to rank 5, but I just...can't find a place for him.
Do it and you won't regret it. The amount of control he has over any fight with even just 1 or 2 reappearing buffs is insane.
@Kill_Grey I think we've all learned that your opinion on a champ is never solidified till you have that champ as a 5* R5. Hence why you think Warlock and Sym are overrated. Just wait.
Also, who in their right mind thinks Longshot is #3 Mystic?
1. Doom 2. Claire 3. Kali 4. Magik 5. Sym
Good list. Id say Magik=Sym tho in most cases.
Magik is basically the Sym of power control in my mind. But locking the opponent out of power is useful more generally than buff control. Therefore I’m inclined to value Magik higher, but I can see valuing them similarly
@Kill_Grey I think we've all learned that your opinion on a champ is never solidified till you have that champ as a 5* R5. Hence why you think Warlock and Sym are overrated. Just wait.
Here's the thing. I do have a 5* sym for a pretty long time now. And I've tried to bring myself to take him to rank 5, but I just...can't find a place for him.
Do it and you won't regret it. The amount of control he has over any fight with even just 1 or 2 reappearing buffs is insane.
@Kill_Grey I think we've all learned that your opinion on a champ is never solidified till you have that champ as a 5* R5. Hence why you think Warlock and Sym are overrated. Just wait.
Also, who in their right mind thinks Longshot is #3 Mystic?
1. Doom 2. Claire 3. Kali 4. Magik 5. Sym
Good list. Id say Magik=Sym tho in most cases.
I was starting to write a response and decided to refresh in case someone already said something similar and well... Rocky hit the nail on the head as usual.
1 Claire 1a Doom (it'll for sure be debatable depending on the summoner's roster, needs, values but for me Claire edges) 2 Sym Supreme 3 Sorcerer Supreme 4 Magik, Mojo, Doctor Voodoo, Dragon Man, Morgingstar 5 Longshot (pure damage for a Mystic is clutch)
Idk why you can justify sym supreme at number 2/3 mystic, he is the best at what he does, except you dont need that ability a lot of the time, he may be a great champ but isnt top 2 or 3
Idk why you can justify sym supreme at number 2/3 mystic, he is the best at what he does, except you dont need that ability a lot of the time, he may be a great champ but isnt top 2 or 3
Agreed, the top Mystics are just too valuable. Like I said, #5 imo.
I think both Symbiote and Sorceress Supreme share the 3rd spot.
I still don't understand why people would place sym supreme as highly as sorcerer. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
To me, sym doesn't even break the top 8 mystics.
Because of his complete dominance in buff heavy matchups. If you've used him in those matches best suited for him, there's no denying his usefulness.
Also, who would you place above him?
That is basically the only thing he does.
I'd put Doom, Claire, sorcerer, tigra, Morningstar, Mojo, dragon man, Longshot, above him. Even mephisto and dormammu have much more utility than him.
I thought I'd seen it all until this man compared bloody Mephisto and Dormammu to Symbiote Supreme. Please, spare yourself the embarassment. Saying Sym Supreme only works for 1% of matchups is just wrong. He was my first mystic r5 and I used him in many different places in Act 6, he is a beast against all cosmic champs AND a lot of nodes that give 1 or 2 buffs to the opponent AND non-Cosmic champs that gain 1 or 2 buffs (Sabretooth, Colossus, Magneto, etc.). Symbiote Supreme is the perfect example of a mystic champion in this game. Massive control over a fight with buffs, with massive utility and damage in those situations. You either don't have Sym or are not playing him properly. I don't blame you, he has a difficult playstyle to master, but when you master it, he's no doubt a top 5 mystic, if not top 3.
I think both Symbiote and Sorceress Supreme share the 3rd spot.
I still don't understand why people would place sym supreme as highly as sorcerer. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
To me, sym doesn't even break the top 8 mystics.
Because of his complete dominance in buff heavy matchups. If you've used him in those matches best suited for him, there's no denying his usefulness.
Also, who would you place above him?
That is basically the only thing he does.
I'd put Doom, Claire, sorcerer, tigra, Morningstar, Mojo, dragon man, Longshot, above him. Even mephisto and dormammu have much more utility than him.
I thought I'd seen it all until this man compared bloody Mephisto and Dormammu to Symbiote Supreme. Please, spare yourself the embarassment. Saying Sym Supreme only works for 1% of matchups is just wrong. He was my first mystic r5 and I used him in many different places in Act 6, he is a beast against all cosmic champs AND a lot of nodes that give 1 or 2 buffs to the opponent AND non-Cosmic champs that gain 1 or 2 buffs (Sabretooth, Colossus, Magneto, etc.). Symbiote Supreme is the perfect example of a mystic champion in this game. Massive control over a fight with buffs, with massive utility and damage in those situations. You either don't have Sym or are not playing him properly. I don't blame you, he has a difficult playstyle to master, but when you master it, he's no doubt a top 5 mystic, if not top 3.
Based on past experiences Im just gonna let that sit, of course its KD to say that lol
regarding this post, we mostly agree that she is top 5, but she ain't top 3
I know I've had my fair share of controversial opinions but comparing Symbiote Supreme to Dormammu and Mephisto is disgusting.
As for Sorcerer Supreme I'd say that for a mystic champ in terms of buff control, she's definitely not top 3 or even top 5, but in terms of control over a fight (with her power gain, phases, utility, and debuffs), she is 3rd imo.
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But yikes @Kill_Grey that is a KD level take. Sym Supreme is still maybe the most reliable nullifier when duped, he can cheese so much stuff with the blessing that nullifies, he has MASSIVE bleed damage and is by far the best counter to 6.3.1 Medusa. He can tank sp3s if needed, he gains a ton of armor that makes his block proficiency amazing. He also hits decently hard and his sp2 has 2 nice utilities.
Also, who in their right mind thinks Longshot is #3 Mystic?
1. Doom
2. Claire
3. Kali
4. Magik
5. Sym
I have 5/65 Doom, Claire and Sym. I have LS at R3 5*. I haven't even put Iso into my Sorc Sup, because I just don't "need" her for anything.
That and I almost always run Suicides so Claire generally wins out even over Doom and Sym for me personally.
1a Doom
(it'll for sure be debatable depending on the summoner's roster, needs, values but for me Claire edges)
2 Sym Supreme
3 Sorcerer Supreme
4 Magik, Mojo, Doctor Voodoo, Dragon Man, Morgingstar
5 Longshot (pure damage for a Mystic is clutch)
So yes, she can heal by just standing there.
2. Whatever
3. Who cares
As for Sorcerer Supreme I'd say that for a mystic champ in terms of buff control, she's definitely not top 3 or even top 5, but in terms of control over a fight (with her power gain, phases, utility, and debuffs), she is 3rd imo.