Thoughts on AAR affecting triggers that benefit the attacker?

Slapdash

For example, on Matador, concussion on the defender can prevent the power granted to the attacker. This strikes me as odd, but it is technically their ability giving you power. What do you think?

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Pulyaman

It makes sense

HI_guys said:

Other than specific class nodes placed in cav eq , I don't think there is any node that can be said to be purely attacker friendly. Those should be aar immune In my opinion. Things like matador are fine.

It doesn't have to be attacker friendly, some nodes where you fire of heavy to get rid of charges(forgot its name) also benefits the attacker indirectly. It makes sense, I don't like it, but not everything will benefit the attacker everytime.

Crcrcrc

It makes sense

Aar reduces AA. Nodes are enemy abilities, no matter what. So they can be reduced if possible

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Speeds80

It doesn't make sense

We understand why it’s happening, the point I believe is that it’s counterintuitive, seems like clunky design designing nodes that often seem to be mostly useful for aar champs, then making their aar hinder the benefits of the node

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The_Sentry06

It makes sense

AAR affects AA. That's independent of whether the nodes are player friendly or not. By the same logic, if Kabam wanted to make nodes non-player friendly, why would those be affected by AAR?

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Mauled

It makes sense

It makes sense, the AAR is turning nodes off. I don’t like it but I understand why it happens

Masterpuff

It makes sense

The node that helps you is technically part of the opponent’s abilities. So reducing that would reduce how much it helps. It makes sense.

silentag

It makes sense

Makes sense to me, which is usually why there’s not always only one specific champ to counter a node. It can be annoying sometimes, but to me I like the challenge of figuring out the right counter to make a node work for me vs whether I want to turn it off. Part of the strategy of team selection to me.

StevieManWonder

It doesn't make sense

It makes sense mechanic wise but gameplay wise it doesn’t.

Pulyaman

It makes sense

Would love to know who voted I don't care. 😅
Edit - Never mind got it

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Mauled

It makes sense

It’s a double edged sword. I’d say it’s probably more helpful than it is a hinderance on balance. In most cases to produce this AAR you’re using someone like Quake or AA and if it’s a match that they can do, in most cases it’s not the end of the world. To use the OPs example of matador - using quake it’s irrelevant and with AA it’s not the end of the world, 90% of AA’s damage output isn’t from heavies - the sp1 is pretty much just a free parry and a heavy in terms of its output.

If you’re using someone like blade with his danger sense it becomes more irritating but I’ve recently discovered that he’s a bottom 15 champion in need of a rework according to one thread.

Aleor

It doesn't make sense

Like matador fails to give domino a bar of power, but never fails stopping her getting power from landing hits

Pulyaman

It makes sense

Aleor said:

Like matador fails to give domino a bar of power, but never fails stopping her getting power from landing hits

What? As far as I know, combat power rate is not affected by ability accuracy. Only one instance it does is with armor shatter where it is specifically mentioned in the description that armor shatter reduces ability accuracy and power gain by 100%.

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Pulyaman

It makes sense

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

Aleor said:

Like matador fails to give domino a bar of power, but never fails stopping her getting power from landing hits

What? As far as I know, combat power rate is not affected by ability accuracy. Only one instance it does is with armor shatter where it is specifically mentioned in the description that armor shatter reduces ability accuracy and power gain by 100%.

No. That is a point. Fact is it is possible to gain power from matador using blade. I think you've seen that. Like someone else mentioned, when opooent throws a special the power lock on you is removed and reapplied. Blade can prevent the reapplication because his aar bypasses immunity to aar

I did not get this comment at all. He was talking about domino's AAR not affecting power rate of opponent which does not exist in the game.

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Destroyer123

If aar can’t get rid of a node because it helps you then the same thing is said about one that hurts you and frankly then we get into the debate of why does aar even exist if we limit it on both sides

It’s fine how it is

Aleor

It doesn't make sense

Pulyaman said:

Aleor said:

Like matador fails to give domino a bar of power, but never fails stopping her getting power from landing hits

What? As far as I know, combat power rate is not affected by ability accuracy. Only one instance it does is with armor shatter where it is specifically mentioned in the description that armor shatter reduces ability accuracy and power gain by 100%.

Matador node stops you from getting any power and gives you a bar of power when opponent activates a special. With domino sometimes opponent using special doesn't give you that bad of power. So, her aar shuts down the node. On the other hand, you still never get power from landing hits, wich means that part of node is not effected with aar

Thicco_Mode

It makes sense

Mauled said:

It makes sense, the AAR is turning nodes off. I don’t like it but I understand why it happens

this exactly. they're nodes, and nodes are the defender's abilities. obviously Id prefer if it didn't happen like that, but it does make sense

Grean

It makes sense

Pulyaman

It makes sense

Aleor said:

Pulyaman said:

Aleor said:

Like matador fails to give domino a bar of power, but never fails stopping her getting power from landing hits

What? As far as I know, combat power rate is not affected by ability accuracy. Only one instance it does is with armor shatter where it is specifically mentioned in the description that armor shatter reduces ability accuracy and power gain by 100%.

Matador node stops you from getting any power and gives you a bar of power when opponent activates a special. With domino sometimes opponent using special doesn't give you that bad of power. So, her aar shuts down the node. On the other hand, you still never get power from landing hits, wich means that part of node is not effected with aar

That was my point exactly. Power locking and power reduction affect your combat power. Aar does not affect your combat rate. Archangel can **** down every ability but opponent still gains power on hitting and being hit. That is not affected by AAR. 200% energize nodes are not affected by AAR since combat power is effectively immune to AAR.

Pulyaman

It makes sense

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

HI_guys said:

Pulyaman said:

Aleor said:

Like matador fails to give domino a bar of power, but never fails stopping her getting power from landing hits

What? As far as I know, combat power rate is not affected by ability accuracy. Only one instance it does is with armor shatter where it is specifically mentioned in the description that armor shatter reduces ability accuracy and power gain by 100%.

No. That is a point. Fact is it is possible to gain power from matador using blade. I think you've seen that. Like someone else mentioned, when opooent throws a special the power lock on you is removed and reapplied. Blade can prevent the reapplication because his aar bypasses immunity to aar

I did not get this comment at all. He was talking about domino's AAR not affecting power rate of opponent which does not exist in the game.

They were talking about not gaining power during hits in matador

Ah. OK. The interaction is simple enough. Blade shuts down the node sometimes after they use the special. But he does not gain power even if you stun the opponent and there is a power lock on you. That was my point.

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xNig

It makes sense

Speeds80 said:

We understand why it’s happening, the point I believe is that it’s counterintuitive, seems like clunky design designing nodes that often seem to be mostly useful for aar champs, then making their aar hinder the benefits of the node

Disagree though.

For example, the Science poison node in Cav EQ.

Getting inflicted with Poison is a bad thing, in most cases if you’re not poison immune. If AAR were to reduce it, it will be beneficial for the attacker to not get poisoned.

However, if I were to run She Hulk with Warlock/OGV synergy, the poison becomes beneficial if I were to be inflicted with it. So with that in mind, a node can work both ways, so having AAR reduce everything makes more sense.

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