Who do you think it’s the most well rounded champ of each class?

Give me a break!!! Molegod has good mechanics , I like the unstoppable . But is he better than Elsa? I don’t know , stealth and KM not better than Elsa.

Elsa is an above average champ, you understand this. You just want to argue about something. She is a top 5 skill champ.

Sarvanga1_

Now he is after molegod. Attack!

She can shrug off damaging debuffs if she is inflicted with a non damaging one. She can ignore evade , she can also fight stun immune very well, with easy intercepts , and a very simple Damage rotation, not to mention one of the highest crit rates in the games, she also gains a ton of power gain increase when her rounds expires.

You talk the talk I will agree that :

Falcon
Nick
aegon
Maybe mole man

Are better champions . You are reaching after that, you really are. Hit monkey is not better than her either.

I guess my point was, perception is subjective. Claire , doom, apoc, it was all subjective. Ghost used was a beast back in the days , but now people think he lacks damage, when in fact you get the fury he hits decent.

Ghost rider is still an effective champ and well rounded , I wonder if you do a damage comparison who hits harder between him and Claire.

I do think he needs a value update with the % to proc buffs, he has it with synergies , but should be on his own.

KDSuperFlash10

Barely makes top 15 skill but go off queen

Now that is a biggggggggggg exaggeration. Top 7 for me

You're not using her for damaging debuffs, even if you can shrug them while you ahev non-damaging ones active. It's not in the least bit practical and it's completely worthless.

Using her on stun immunes to create an opening once every 12 seconds makes no sense when you can just use anyone with better damage to finish the fight quickly or just use someone like KM or Mole Man in the same class that can create an opening on almost every single blocked hit. One opening every 12 seconds isn't helping much against stun immune.

The rest of what you said, "Easy rotation, high crit rate, high power gain" is only talking about damage. And the only champs that I mentioned who have less damage than Elsa have far more than enough utility to not only compensate, but surpass Elsa quite easily.

Meh, #12ish. Which is fine. She is a good champion and not every champ has to be at the very top of their class, they obviously can't be. But the fact that she's SOOO overrated is insane.

Nick, Aegon, Falcon, mayyybe stealty, Mole god, Kingpin, and monke

KDSuperFlash10

"mayyybe stealthy" ???

why has stealthy gotten so disrespected recently, he's so good

Yeah shes great imo, the red numbers are insane and great utility etc. But saying she barely makes top 15 is actually like saying emma frost barely makes top 20

well why has elsa gotten such disrespect. And pls tell me your top 15 I need a good laugh. Youll probs put moon night or someone over her. Name everyone better than her plssssssssss I really want a good laugh

It's not too far off though tbh. Barely top 10 would be dead on for me:
Nick
Ægon
Stealthy
Falcon
Killmonger
Mole Man
Night Thrasher
Hit Monkey
Then there's this little group of Ronin, Gwenpool, Elsa, Kingpin, BWDO where I can't 100% decide who goes where. Though I think Elsa is in the bottom half.

KD? Is that you?

Don't agreee with that list but yeah even people who don't like Elsa know that shes at least top 10. IMO, kilmonger hits like a noodle, so does NT, gwenpool cant compare, neither does Ronin (sorry masterpuff), and BWDO is also worse then elsa imo. But why is Kingpin so low that chunky boi is great

Killmonger has 10x utility Elsa has. NT hits decently hard with dupe, Gwenpool has a little utility and decent damage, similar to elsa. Ronin has a little utility and massive damage, and BWDO has almost no utility.

agreed except you forget the fact that kilmonger hits like a noodle. NT hits decently with sig 200, and elsa has a decent amount of utility and hits hard

edit: and how does that contribute with your argument that Ronin is better than elsa.

Utility is far more important than damage and Killmonger has much more of it. And he's not a noodle either. He hits pretty hard at max sig. NT has much more utility too and he hits insanely hard at max sig. I agree with BWDO below Elsa but Ronin is just more diverse with better damage and Gwenpool's kind of on the same level as Elsa. Kingpin is great, but he needs a synergy to make his 1 piece of utility reliable. That being said, it's an extremely valuable piece of utility that puts him above Elsa imo.

Thicco_Mode

stares at puff and moot

Thicco_Mode

night thrasher hits like a noodle 💀HSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Yes but IMO good utility+great dmg is better than huge utility+noodle arms, and better than dIvErSiTy. Like what even us that ronin argument. Btw gwenpool is kinda out dated imo

Im just acting like KD and everone who says elsa's dmg is ok-bad. So if elsas dmg is bad, NT's dmg is horrible.

https://youtu.be/NF5zbNxwpWM

NT's damage is much higher than Elsa's dude, he just takes a little ramp up...

There it is again, the Killmonger hits like a noodle argument. Everyone saw Seatin horribly playing a low sig Killmonger and compared it to Cyclops so now they think he's a noodle. A max sig Killmonger hits very hard, not even too far off from Elsa. And his immense utility makes him far more valuable for anyone doing high tier war or exploring Act 6. And Gwenpool has about the same amount of damage, insane AAR, and she can permanently enervate the opponent. She's outshined by the new best Skills but is by no means outdated.

https://youtu.be/Bst0ceXcMII

Some Killmonger gameplay by @Lvernon15 to prove how much of a beast he is.

https://youtu.be/08nrh-lcXr0

KMs huge utility makes up for it. And sog 200 night thrasher has wayy more utility and damage than Elsa.
Elsa hits above average and has meh utility.
Ronin hits for maybe the hardest in the skill class with basic attacks. And his utility is ≈ that of Elsa.