Blows my mind that people still think Hype is better than Corvus.
Without suicides hes defintley better, especially in act 6/7. And he dosent need to be at 1% all the time.
Corvus doesn't NEED to be at 1%, but Hype definitely NEEDs to have more than 1%.
Corvus is the biggest item saver in the game, bar none.
It's also a myth that he needs suicides, I never run suicides and I bring Corvus over Hype all the time, because Hype is good at the same stuff as a dozen other champs. No one else does what Corvus does.
“Corvus is the biggest item saver in the game” in AQ? Sure but not in act 6/7 abyss, war etc.
“Hype is good at the same stuff as a dozen other champs” interesting, tell me another champ who can constantly spam specials without making contact with the defender meanwhile has sustainability, and the sheer amount of utility hype has.
Using Corvus for Act 7+ Health pools is getting to be too much for Corvus but does not make a big difference for hype.
Act 7 healthpools are irrelevant without discussing the buffs the different classes get, but hey, we're just not going to agree on this one. Nothing wrong with that.
Cosmic is the hardest to rate imo. I can only come up with a solid top 5 and even then, it's extremely controversial.
1. Corvus 2. Hype 3. CMM 4. CGR 5. Venom
Corvus' awakened ability is one of the most powerful abilities in the game and combined with the rest of his kit, it just puts him at the top imo. Hype needs no explanation, he's so versatile. CMM's burst damage is insane but what really puts her so high is her awakened ability. It's so valuable. No damage for 12 seconds combined with the ability to brust down huge healthpools in that same amount of time is extremely valuable. CGR is where I'm expecting to get the most hate. He's a huge damage dealer of course but he's honestly lacking in practical utility. Venom is just a great all-rounder with lots of hidden utility.
if I'm being honest with you, without synergies CMM is lacking in damage in comparison to the other 3. Her attack rating based on auntm.ai is 7415, which is less than Hulkbuster's with 5 shocks (Below his average shock ratio once in the cycle). If the healthpool is below 200K, then CMM bursts it down with about like 1-2 sp2's. otherwise, She is kinda left behind in most huge matchups.
As for CGR, his utility is solid with armor breaks, incinerate, Incinerate and bleed immunity which one is common and the other is uncommon so it's awesome to have. He somewhat has power control, but I won't say he has it. His damage is honestly at the level of G99 in which once ramped up, there is genuinely not many attack reduction nodes that can stop him from spammin away. He also has energy attacks making him a solid korg counter (incinerate immune which means also torch can be countered) which CMM and others can't say.
CGR can be a tiny bit overhyped, but I think he just does more than CMM
CMM relying on Nick shouldn't matter. It's true, but should come into play when we're talking about which is best. And I've used her for several RoL runs, 600k healthpools aren't a problem.
Most of their utility is similar since they both have access to tons of armor breaks, CMM has poison immunity while CGR has bleed immunity, and CGr's incinerate immunity is on par with CMM's energy resistance imo.
Her indestructible is just too good. No debuffs, no block damage, tanking Sp3's, getting through entire Act 6 lanes and easily ending on near 100% health is nothing to scoff at.
That being said, I can definitely see CGR being better than CMM to be absolutely fair. But for right now, I'd say they're about on par with each other. I wouldn't argue with anyone saying CGR's above her. (I'm just trying to prove her worth here.)
Cosmic is the hardest to rate imo. I can only come up with a solid top 5 and even then, it's extremely controversial.
1. Corvus 2. Hype 3. CMM 4. CGR 5. Venom
Corvus' awakened ability is one of the most powerful abilities in the game and combined with the rest of his kit, it just puts him at the top imo. Hype needs no explanation, he's so versatile. CMM's burst damage is insane but what really puts her so high is her awakened ability. It's so valuable. No damage for 12 seconds combined with the ability to brust down huge healthpools in that same amount of time is extremely valuable. CGR is where I'm expecting to get the most hate. He's a huge damage dealer of course but he's honestly lacking in practical utility. Venom is just a great all-rounder with lots of hidden utility.
if I'm being honest with you, without synergies CMM is lacking in damage in comparison to the other 3. Her attack rating based on auntm.ai is 7415, which is less than Hulkbuster's with 5 shocks (Below his average shock ratio once in the cycle). If the healthpool is below 200K, then CMM bursts it down with about like 1-2 sp2's. otherwise, She is kinda left behind in most huge matchups.
As for CGR, his utility is solid with armor breaks, incinerate, Incinerate and bleed immunity which one is common and the other is uncommon so it's awesome to have. He somewhat has power control, but I won't say he has it. His damage is honestly at the level of G99 in which once ramped up, there is genuinely not many attack reduction nodes that can stop him from spammin away. He also has energy attacks making him a solid korg counter (incinerate immune which means also torch can be countered) which CMM and others can't say.
CGR can be a tiny bit overhyped, but I think he just does more than CMM
CMM relying on Nick shouldn't matter. It's true, but should come into play when we're talking about which is best. And I've used her for several RoL runs, 600k healthpools aren't a problem.
Most of their utility is similar since they both have access to tons of armor breaks, CMM has poison immunity while CGR has bleed immunity, and CGr's incinerate immunity is on par with CMM's energy resistance imo.
Her indestructible is just too good. No debuffs, no block damage, tanking Sp3's, getting through entire Act 6 lanes and easily ending on near 100% health is nothing to scoff at.
That being said, I can definitely see CGR being better than CMM to be absolutely fair. But for right now, I'd say they're about on par with each other. I wouldn't argue with anyone saying CGR's above her. (I'm just trying to prove her worth here.)
Eh, it kinda does matter because some don't have Nick. If colossus gets the synergy reliant treatment, so does CMM. but it depends on how you view it tbh
As for her energy resistance it's working with the indestructible, but once it falls off it's only 558 (If I'm missing something, If I am, my mistake)(Mr.Chonks has 2K with 2 armor ups and 4K with synergies)
yeah it could go either way tbh. both are really good
I don't give Colossus the synergy treatment. Even with a full synergy team, he's lacking in utility compared to the other top Mutants for me. And I'd say it matters if it's a rank up poll or something, but when purely talking about which is better, they should be considered with synergies imo unless it's impractical.
That energy resistance does not sound right, I remember it being on par with Havok's, but for some odd reason, I can't seem to find it anywhere in her abilities. I must be trippin.
1 and 2 switch based on mastery setup (Corvus is #1 with suicides)
4-8 are interchangeable based on the content you’re doing (Venom insane for variants, Medusa for robots, Surfer for fight control, Terrax for consistent armor breaks, and CMM for indestructible)
1 and 2 switch based on mastery setup (Corvus is #1 with suicides)
4-8 are interchangeable based on the content you’re doing (Venom insane for variants, Medusa for robots, Surfer for fight control, Terrax for consistent armor breaks, and CMM for indestructible)
Now that's just a horrible list, KD. I don't even know where to start. Wow.
1 and 2 switch based on mastery setup (Corvus is #1 with suicides)
4-8 are interchangeable based on the content you’re doing (Venom insane for variants, Medusa for robots, Surfer for fight control, Terrax for consistent armor breaks, and CMM for indestructible)
Now that's just a horrible list, KD. I don't even know where to start. Wow.
1 and 2 switch based on mastery setup (Corvus is #1 with suicides)
4-8 are interchangeable based on the content you’re doing (Venom insane for variants, Medusa for robots, Surfer for fight control, Terrax for consistent armor breaks, and CMM for indestructible)
Now that's just a horrible list, KD. I don't even know where to start. Wow.
What about it is wrong?
Apart from the Venom and Medusa placements, pretty much everything. I mean, I know you've had some bad takes, but wow. I think I'll just let someone else handle this one.
1 and 2 switch based on mastery setup (Corvus is #1 with suicides)
4-8 are interchangeable based on the content you’re doing (Venom insane for variants, Medusa for robots, Surfer for fight control, Terrax for consistent armor breaks, and CMM for indestructible)
Now that's just a horrible list, KD. I don't even know where to start. Wow.
What about it is wrong?
Apart from the Evnom and Medusa placements, pretty much everything. I mean, I know you've had some bad takes, but wow. I think I'll just let someone else handle this one.
I said Venom and Medusa and the other 3 in the 4-8 category can fluctuate anywhere in the region from 4-8 based on the content you’re going up against. Venom can easily be better than Medusa in some content, and vice versa. Same can be said for the others in the 4-8 region.
I also accounted for the fact that with suicides Corvus is definitely better than CGR, but without them, CGR is better.
1 and 2 switch based on mastery setup (Corvus is #1 with suicides)
4-8 are interchangeable based on the content you’re doing (Venom insane for variants, Medusa for robots, Surfer for fight control, Terrax for consistent armor breaks, and CMM for indestructible)
terrax is being overrated. I think surfer is an underrated beast man, but I don't think he's that far up
I respect your opinion tho
fair enough yeah, that’s why I said 4-8 can fluctuate based on the content. They’re all in a similar region and their placements really depend on the content you’re going up against. Venom is in 4th for certain variants, while CMM is 4th for bursting down DOT or fights, etc.
Cosmic is the hardest to rate imo. I can only come up with a solid top 5 and even then, it's extremely controversial.
1. Corvus 2. Hype 3. CMM 4. CGR 5. Venom
Corvus' awakened ability is one of the most powerful abilities in the game and combined with the rest of his kit, it just puts him at the top imo. Hype needs no explanation, he's so versatile. CMM's burst damage is insane but what really puts her so high is her awakened ability. It's so valuable. No damage for 12 seconds combined with the ability to brust down huge healthpools in that same amount of time is extremely valuable. CGR is where I'm expecting to get the most hate. He's a huge damage dealer of course but he's honestly lacking in practical utility. Venom is just a great all-rounder with lots of hidden utility.
if I'm being honest with you, without synergies CMM is lacking in damage in comparison to the other 3. Her attack rating based on auntm.ai is 7415, which is less than Hulkbuster's with 5 shocks (Below his average shock ratio once in the cycle). If the healthpool is below 200K, then CMM bursts it down with about like 1-2 sp2's. otherwise, She is kinda left behind in most huge matchups.
As for CGR, his utility is solid with armor breaks, incinerate, Incinerate and bleed immunity which one is common and the other is uncommon so it's awesome to have. He somewhat has power control, but I won't say he has it. His damage is honestly at the level of G99 in which once ramped up, there is genuinely not many attack reduction nodes that can stop him from spammin away. He also has energy attacks making him a solid korg counter (incinerate immune which means also torch can be countered) which CMM and others can't say.
CGR can be a tiny bit overhyped, but I think he just does more than CMM
CMM relying on Nick shouldn't matter. It's true, but should come into play when we're talking about which is best. And I've used her for several RoL runs, 600k healthpools aren't a problem.
Most of their utility is similar since they both have access to tons of armor breaks, CMM has poison immunity while CGR has bleed immunity, and CGr's incinerate immunity is on par with CMM's energy resistance imo.
Her indestructible is just too good. No debuffs, no block damage, tanking Sp3's, getting through entire Act 6 lanes and easily ending on near 100% health is nothing to scoff at.
That being said, I can definitely see CGR being better than CMM to be absolutely fair. But for right now, I'd say they're about on par with each other. I wouldn't argue with anyone saying CGR's above her. (I'm just trying to prove her worth here.)
It sucks playing cmm without nick. Rol isn't comparable to questing because you can be as aggressive as you want and pin the opponents and do heavies all day.
Like I said, we should be considering synergies with champs if we're talking about which are best unless it's impractical. And we all know that putting Nick onto a team isn't impractical.
Without being able to play that aggressively, keeping her ramped up is still absolutely fine and the fact that several people (including myself) use her extensively in Act 6/7 proves that her burst damage is way more than enough.
Nope. Medusa is better than Aarkus, Hyperion is better than CGR and Corvus. CMM is probably better than CGR at that. Surfer is better than Terrax. Proxima is better than Cull
Personally i would put Medusa ahead of venom. I have venom as a 6* r2 and still prefer using Medusa over venom. https://youtu.be/QAEIJvF91ZE
Vision arkus is better than medusa . Medusa is poison immune do bleed damage when opponent Armor shattered , Armor shattered autoblock, burst additional bleed damage on sp 2 . While vision aarkus coldsnap damage ,evade counter and fury attack bonus if apponent Armor shattered by sp 3 . After 10 to 11 k medims and 8 to 9 k light strong sp 2 damage , on sig 200 purify all non damaging debuffs .
The armour shattered on Aarkus doesn’t have a 100% uptime. Medusa does. Therefore she is immediately more reliable. Aarkus might have the evade counter but it also dependent on a debuff, making it a weaker evade counter among evade counters.
Medusa also has the poison immunity which could arguably be better than the weaker evade counter. That’s preference. Aarkus’s purify is weak, it’s only every 10 seconds. Any matchup you need to shrug off he isn’t going to be a good option for due to that, not to mention it’s only non-damaging debuffs
Medusa’s damage easily rivals his, and I would take her reliability over increased damage if it was the case Aarkus had higher damage
Nope. Medusa is better than Aarkus, Hyperion is better than CGR and Corvus. CMM is probably better than CGR at that. Surfer is better than Terrax. Proxima is better than Cull
Personally i would put Medusa ahead of venom. I have venom as a 6* r2 and still prefer using Medusa over venom. https://youtu.be/QAEIJvF91ZE
I think Venom edges out Medusa simply due to his use in variants. He’s overall probably the best champ for them. For a player that needs to tackle variants, pulling a venom is going to be significantly better than a Medusa, as much as I love her.
For an endgame roster, yeah I think Medusa is probably more vital. But taking into consideration the entire game, venom edges it for me
Nope. Medusa is better than Aarkus, Hyperion is better than CGR and Corvus. CMM is probably better than CGR at that. Surfer is better than Terrax. Proxima is better than Cull
Personally i would put Medusa ahead of venom. I have venom as a 6* r2 and still prefer using Medusa over venom. https://youtu.be/QAEIJvF91ZE
I think Venom edges out Medusa simply due to his use in variants. He’s overall probably the best champ for them. For a player that needs to tackle variants, pulling a venom is going to be significantly better than a Medusa, as much as I love her.
For an endgame roster, yeah I think Medusa is probably more vital. But taking into consideration the entire game, venom edges it for me
Yeah true, i used venom in the variants, but outside of it, i haven't used him much.
Nope. Medusa is better than Aarkus, Hyperion is better than CGR and Corvus. CMM is probably better than CGR at that. Surfer is better than Terrax. Proxima is better than Cull
Personally i would put Medusa ahead of venom. I have venom as a 6* r2 and still prefer using Medusa over venom. https://youtu.be/QAEIJvF91ZE
I think Venom edges out Medusa simply due to his use in variants. He’s overall probably the best champ for them. For a player that needs to tackle variants, pulling a venom is going to be significantly better than a Medusa, as much as I love her.
For an endgame roster, yeah I think Medusa is probably more vital. But taking into consideration the entire game, venom edges it for me
Yeah true, i used venom in the variants, but outside of it, i haven't used him much.
Same, although I’ve got R3 Ghost, Emma and Killmonger. So I’ve got his main use of countering spiderverse covered on many, many fronts.
Nope. Medusa is better than Aarkus, Hyperion is better than CGR and Corvus. CMM is probably better than CGR at that. Surfer is better than Terrax. Proxima is better than Cull
Personally i would put Medusa ahead of venom. I have venom as a 6* r2 and still prefer using Medusa over venom. https://youtu.be/QAEIJvF91ZE
I think Venom edges out Medusa simply due to his use in variants. He’s overall probably the best champ for them. For a player that needs to tackle variants, pulling a venom is going to be significantly better than a Medusa, as much as I love her.
For an endgame roster, yeah I think Medusa is probably more vital. But taking into consideration the entire game, venom edges it for me
Yeah true, i used venom in the variants, but outside of it, i haven't used him much.
Same, although I’ve got R3 Ghost, Emma and Killmonger. So I’ve got his main use of countering spiderverse covered on many, many fronts.
Ya might wanna remove that if you don't want everyone to know your real name. I don't personally care, but you might. 😂
Wow this is worse than the skill one. 1. Hype(No suicides) 2. Corvus(With Suicides) 3. CGR *Note, the best unduped cosmic is CGR, best duped without suicides, Hype, Duped with Suicides, Corvus* 4. CMM, Duped Sparkles is on the same level as unduped CGR imo 5. Venom 6. Medusa 7. Aarkus 8. Terrax? 9. Interchangeable 10. Interchangeable
Totally agree with this, but I'd swap 1 and 2 around overall having corvus with suicides over hype without if that makes sense. Corvus is still the best cosmic in the game and the top 4 are pretty clearly locked in and ahead of the rest of the class.
Corvus ain’t the best cosmic in the game, Hyperion is. The fact we compare a champ that he is available at max potential as 5* 5/65, to other same class champs, that are available as 6* r3, give him the edge on this comparison. I would like to see if there was someone even questioning about who is the best cosmic, if we could have a 6* r3 Hyperion in the game.
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Most of their utility is similar since they both have access to tons of armor breaks, CMM has poison immunity while CGR has bleed immunity, and CGr's incinerate immunity is on par with CMM's energy resistance imo.
Her indestructible is just too good. No debuffs, no block damage, tanking Sp3's, getting through entire Act 6 lanes and easily ending on near 100% health is nothing to scoff at.
That being said, I can definitely see CGR being better than CMM to be absolutely fair. But for right now, I'd say they're about on par with each other. I wouldn't argue with anyone saying CGR's above her. (I'm just trying to prove her worth here.)
That energy resistance does not sound right, I remember it being on par with Havok's, but for some odd reason, I can't seem to find it anywhere in her abilities. I must be trippin.
2. Corvus
3. Hyperion
4. Silver Surfer
5. Venom
6. Medusa
7. Terrax
8. CMM
9. Cull
10. Vision (Aarkus)
1 and 2 switch based on mastery setup (Corvus is #1 with suicides)
4-8 are interchangeable based on the content you’re doing (Venom insane for variants, Medusa for robots, Surfer for fight control, Terrax for consistent armor breaks, and CMM for indestructible)
I also accounted for the fact that with suicides Corvus is definitely better than CGR, but without them, CGR is better.
Without being able to play that aggressively, keeping her ramped up is still absolutely fine and the fact that several people (including myself) use her extensively in Act 6/7 proves that her burst damage is way more than enough.
For an endgame roster, yeah I think Medusa is probably more vital. But taking into consideration the entire game, venom edges it for me
The fact we compare a champ that he is available at max potential as 5* 5/65, to other same class champs, that are available as 6* r3, give him the edge on this comparison.
I would like to see if there was someone even questioning about who is the best cosmic, if we could have a 6* r3 Hyperion in the game.