Except there are so many champs now that have really good damage and utility. Setting the world on fire is great in Act 4 and early Act 5, maybe for UC EQ sure. I don't think anyone's denying that. But that does not make her a top champ like people try to make her out to be.
Dude, that's a stun vulnerability path. I could literally get through that path with Miles Morales. A champ can't be classified as "amazing" just because they can get through easy paths quickly. They need the utility to get through difficult content as well.
Please show miles going through that path with the same efficiency
Of course he won't do it with the same efficiency, Miles is the worst champ in the game. But the fact that he can get through it just fine proves that Domino's ability to get through it doesn't matter.
he's not the worst champ but yea i agree with your other point
I am a firm believer that Miles and OG Spidey are the worst champs in the game. Not only do they have no damage or utility, but they can't even parry reliably without a synergy. 😂
nah Iron Man is probably the worst or Cyclops.DPX is pretty terrible. Spidey can evade and put armor breaks on and his sp2 can do damage. Miles is an evade master and he can do some damage Iron Man does like no damage ad he needs to be awakened to regen
Evading's not a good thing when it stops you from parrying, dude...
The thing is though Miles is meant for Defense mostly. When this game came out they made champs all for offense but then when War came out they started making champs specifically for defense. Yes he's terrible on offense but his evade can save your life
@jaded I hadn't seen that write-up till you pointed it out. It hits the nail on the head. (Tagging instead of replying since my initial comment was sent to the Abyss of Approval.)
Except there are so many champs now that have really good damage and utility. Setting the world on fire is great in Act 4 and early Act 5, maybe for UC EQ sure. I don't think anyone's denying that. But that does not make her a top champ like people try to make her out to be.
Dude, that's a stun vulnerability path. I could literally get through that path with Miles Morales. A champ can't be classified as "amazing" just because they can get through easy paths quickly. They need the utility to get through difficult content as well.
Please show miles going through that path with the same efficiency
Of course he won't do it with the same efficiency, Miles is the worst champ in the game. But the fact that he can get through it just fine proves that Domino's ability to get through it doesn't matter.
he's not the worst champ but yea i agree with your other point
I am a firm believer that Miles and OG Spidey are the worst champs in the game. Not only do they have no damage or utility, but they can't even parry reliably without a synergy. 😂
nah Iron Man is probably the worst or Cyclops.DPX is pretty terrible. Spidey can evade and put armor breaks on and his sp2 can do damage. Miles is an evade master and he can do some damage Iron Man does like no damage ad he needs to be awakened to regen
Evading's not a good thing when it stops you from parrying, dude...
The thing is though Miles is meant for Defense mostly. When this game came out they made champs all for offense but then when War came out they started making champs specifically for defense. Yes he's terrible on offense but his evade can save your life
Speaking from a purely offensive standpoint, evading in parries is going to be the death of you much more than being your savior. It's not a good trade.
Except there are so many champs now that have really good damage and utility. Setting the world on fire is great in Act 4 and early Act 5, maybe for UC EQ sure. I don't think anyone's denying that. But that does not make her a top champ like people try to make her out to be.
Dude, that's a stun vulnerability path. I could literally get through that path with Miles Morales. A champ can't be classified as "amazing" just because they can get through easy paths quickly. They need the utility to get through difficult content as well.
Please show miles going through that path with the same efficiency
Of course he won't do it with the same efficiency, Miles is the worst champ in the game. But the fact that he can get through it just fine proves that Domino's ability to get through it doesn't matter.
he's not the worst champ but yea i agree with your other point
I am a firm believer that Miles and OG Spidey are the worst champs in the game. Not only do they have no damage or utility, but they can't even parry reliably without a synergy. 😂
nah Iron Man is probably the worst or Cyclops.DPX is pretty terrible. Spidey can evade and put armor breaks on and his sp2 can do damage. Miles is an evade master and he can do some damage Iron Man does like no damage ad he needs to be awakened to regen
Evading's not a good thing when it stops you from parrying, dude...
The thing is though Miles is meant for Defense mostly. When this game came out they made champs all for offense but then when War came out they started making champs specifically for defense. Yes he's terrible on offense but his evade can save your life
Speaking from a purely offensive standpoint, evading in parries is going to be the death of you much more than being your savior. It's not a good trade.
ur right it isn't but Miles is not the worst champ in the game
Except there are so many champs now that have really good damage and utility. Setting the world on fire is great in Act 4 and early Act 5, maybe for UC EQ sure. I don't think anyone's denying that. But that does not make her a top champ like people try to make her out to be.
Dude, that's a stun vulnerability path. I could literally get through that path with Miles Morales. A champ can't be classified as "amazing" just because they can get through easy paths quickly. They need the utility to get through difficult content as well.
Please show miles going through that path with the same efficiency
Of course he won't do it with the same efficiency, Miles is the worst champ in the game. But the fact that he can get through it just fine proves that Domino's ability to get through it doesn't matter.
That's the point. Any champ can go through virtually any opponent in game. It's a matter of item use and efficiency.
I can't tell you how many paths there are in Act 6 that you need specific counters for. The easy paths that any champ can do don't matter and you shouldn't be ranking champs for those paths.
Why always Domino comes in between ? Lol just cuz she is RNG ? Many beyond god tiers are also RNG - Void, AA , Colossus and others.
I think "relies on RNG" is too vague a statement: it overlooks some critical distinctions between the impact of RNG on a champion's usefulness.
Hyperion has a chance to proc fury. What happens if I use a heavy and I get unlucky? Nothing. I just don't get the fury. If I bring Hyperion to a fight hoping his furies will end the fight faster, sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. Sometimes Hyperion has good damage and sometimes he has great damage. The RNG upside is very good, the downside is negligible.
50% chance to shrug off bleeds is better than nothing, but if you bring Domino into a fight where she *has to* shrug off bleeds then sometimes she will, and sometimes she won't. When she does, great. When she doesn't, she might end up dead. And the odds shift the more you have to do this. Shrugging off double edge is one thing, consistently shrugging off biohazard is something else.
Some of Domino's RNG is perfectly fine. Critical failure is perfectly fine. Either it gives you bonus damage, or it doesn't. That's all upside, and that kind of RNG shouldn't count against Domino's usefulness. Nobody ever "needs" critical failure. But when you look at what the reasonable worst case scenario for Domino is, you find a lot of the things she's supposed to be able to do you can't rely upon her doing consistently enough in my opinion, and that reduces her use cases. She's still good, and still useful, but that usefulness is narrower than you might expect given her on-paper abilities. *How* a champ is affected by RNG matters more than *if* they are affected by RNG.
You may be thinking "bUT hE's GoT DaMaGE anD STufF"
But how does he get most of this stuff? rng his heavy attack only has a 40% chance at furies, his sp2 stun isn't guaranteed, his incinerates aren't guaranteed, the list can go on and on
Next time you pic up a Hyperion, think "Am I getting a champ that is great, or a champ that is mostly rng based?"
My argument with her. Has never changed Kabam created a Champs so dominant that they could no longer make a champion in that mold again with the power game all three specials being super powerful the ability to wait out your special 3 and gain those Cosmic charges, of course RNG helps his damage in some cases but if you think kuyperian needs to heavy spam every match every match up then you severely underestimated him.
I'll go as far to say without the Red Hulk Synergy Domino and Hyperion would be in two different classes. For the simple reason that Hyperion can work around a lot of different stuff and Domino your kind of subject to if the game feels like rewarding you or pissing you off excluding the Red Hulk synergy. Just my personal opinion a lot of the people in this thread have beaten content that I haven't even attempted yet so what do I know
I freaking love the combination of Fury duration and fury potency and heavy attack ability accuracy in incursions with hype it just makes me feel Unstoppable at times
I really don’t like this trend of calling a champ a different class version of another champ. Hyperion is the cosmic Hyperion. Domino is the mutant domino. Can we leave it at that?
And it gets particularly redundant or straight up untrue when you realize the classes are made to check and balance each other not just with attack rating increase and decrease but the actual tool kit that is somewhat standard among each class. For example never once have I heard someone say this Tech / mutant / science champ is totally their classes version of Doctor Doom or sym Supreme. When there's a whole class that none of the characters can mimic moves that other class has standard among all most all their characters it's just inconsequential to try to compare between classes at that point.
I mean I get it I really do I could easily see how someone could compare hit monkey to corvus because they can both crit whenever they want but even that compares and it's so far off due to the fact that hit monkey has nothing nearly as powerful/useful as glaive of immortality. It just seems so lazy like yeah they both crit whenever they want so this is the skill corvus.
I really don’t like this trend of calling a champ a different class version of another champ. Hyperion is the cosmic Hyperion. Domino is the mutant domino. Can we leave it at that?
And it gets particularly redundant or straight up untrue when you realize the classes are made to check and balance each other not just with attack rating increase and decrease but the actual tool kit that is somewhat standard among each class. For example never once have I heard someone say this Tech / mutant / science champ is totally their classes version of Doctor Doom or sym Supreme. When there's a whole class that none of the characters can mimic moves that other class has standard among all most all their characters it's just inconsequential to try to compare between classes at that point.
I mean I get it I really do I could easily see how someone could compare hit monkey to corvus because they can both crit whenever they want but even that compares and it's so far off due to the fact that hit monkey has nothing nearly as powerful/useful as glaive of immortality. It just seems so lazy like yeah they both crit whenever they want so this is the skill corvus.
Yeah any champ that has guaranteed crits is compared to Corvus just because Lagacy started saying it. To reduce Corvus to simply the crit champ is ignoring almost everything he does.
It’s like saying any champ that gains power over time the new dr Strange, or any champ that does incinerate damage the new Torch. Champions do so much more than just crit, gain power or do Incinerate damage. The game is much more complex than, look that monkey crits. It’s Corvus come again!
Domino is great for doing what domino does, she’s perfect for stomping through easy content very quickly and efficiently with the synergy, the fact opponents gain so little power through so much damage means often you don’t have to deal with many difficult specials, Hyperion is one of the champs in the game when used correctly has massive utility, lots of difficult content he can demolish using the l1 intercept technique, or spamming l3, not to mention decent regen and big damage
Why always Domino comes in between ? Lol just cuz she is RNG ? Many beyond god tiers are also RNG - Void, AA , Colossus and others.
Stop hating on Domino cuz it doesn't makes you look cool ..I remember there was a thread some months ago about how high Domino ranks , that proved every "cool looking" hater wrong and clearly community expressed their views so no need of bringing Domino thing again.
Let the champs be of their respective class and without comparison.
Or... now hear me out here cause this is crazy... what if people hate on Domino because they think she's overrated and not to look cool. Unbelievable, I know, but it's possible.
And there is a huge difference between Domino and the other champs you mentioned. Colossus' utility isn't RNG reliant. Neither is Void's, you're guaranteed to get the utility you need even if you have to wait for a little bit. And really? AA? Don't try to act like it's hard to get any neuros with him, it's extremely easy to have at least 3 up at all times unless you're super unlucky.
With Domino, you're relying on a 50% chance to shrug bleeds, or on what's mostly a 15% AAR to shut down opponent's abilities. It's not nearly good enough to make her viable for any troublesome Endgame content.
I have never used domino even if her 5* is at r4 max sig. you aren’t alone, but the seriousness has been deflated by the joke threads. Now it’s hard to take anyone saying it serious, except for the comparison @DNA3000 wrote up yesterday.
I hadn't seen that write-up till you pointed it out. It hits the nail on the head.
Yeah also archangel,wolverine and colossus are mutant dominos. Symbiote supreme is mystic domino. Ghost is tech domino. She hulk is science domino. Km is skill domino.
Why always Domino comes in between ? Lol just cuz she is RNG ? Many beyond god tiers are also RNG - Void, AA , Colossus and others.
Stop hating on Domino cuz it doesn't makes you look cool ..I remember there was a thread some months ago about how high Domino ranks , that proved every "cool looking" hater wrong and clearly community expressed their views so no need of bringing Domino thing again.
Let the champs be of their respective class and without comparison.
Or... now hear me out here cause this is crazy... what if people hate on Domino because they think she's overrated and not to look cool. Unbelievable, I know, but it's possible.
And there is a huge difference between Domino and the other champs you mentioned. Colossus' utility isn't RNG reliant. Neither is Void's, you're guaranteed to get the utility you need even if you have to wait for a little bit. And really? AA? Don't try to act like it's hard to get any neuros with him, it's extremely easy to have at least 3 up at all times unless you're super unlucky.
With Domino, you're relying on a 50% chance to shrug bleeds, or on what's mostly a 15% AAR to shut down opponent's abilities. It's not nearly good enough to make her viable for any troublesome Endgame content.
Is act 6 endgame? Is variant endgame? Is act 7 endgame? And is the "troublesome" clause intended as an insurance if provided with above examples?
Also dominos bleed shrug is to increase her potency as a defender.
"Troublesome" as in difficult and not doable with just any champ. I'm sure people have used Domino in Act 6 completion, V2, and some paths in Act 7, but as soon as you get to some of the more difficult Act 7 paths, or almost any paths in Act 6 exploration, Domino's not going to do much. At all.
Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means saying she's a bad champion. She's incredible for newer players and still solid later on. But I can name plenty of champs in the Mutant class alone that have lots of reliable damage and much more utility.
Dont compare hyperion with domino. Ik she is good. But dont do that again...
domino is not remotely "good", she sucks
Dude STFU... its your opinion then keep it to yourself... there are a lot of people with other opinions and domino is amazing
Ok, dude this is a place for sharing opinions,even u shared ur opinion saying domino is amazing,she's really good, but we can't stop anyone's opinion,right?
Venom, vtd, and venompool are most accurate to domino's rng based playstyle
stop. i don't need this back in my memories
You don't like joke threads being taken seriously as troll threads and people commenting as jokes and then being taken seriously and then devolving into absolute chaos?
Venom, vtd, and venompool are most accurate to domino's rng based playstyle
stop. i don't need this back in my memories
You don't like joke threads being taken seriously as troll threads and people commenting as jokes and then being taken seriously and then devolving into absolute chaos?
AA relies on RNG also as do many champs. The Domino hate on this forum is about the dumbest thing going. She's fantastic. But there is nothing similar about Domino and Hype other than they are both amazing champs.
Hype is Overrated. I don’t care who you are or what you say you’ll never convince me otherwise.
Plus he has little to no Utility just damage.
Hyperion has quite a lot of utility Ngl, power gain, energy resistance, physical resistance, regen, buff duration increase. Stun on sp2 and armour break, DOT and the ability to never take a blocked hit with special intercepts. He’s not the top anymore, but he still holds up.
Hype is Overrated. I don’t care who you are or what you say you’ll never convince me otherwise.
Plus he has little to no Utility just damage.
I recommend waking up to ensure you realize you put Hype in the same sentence as no utility. You could possibly be in an alternate universe but odds are Hype still would have insane utility there too
You may be thinking "bUT hE's GoT DaMaGE anD STufF"
But how does he get most of this stuff? rng his heavy attack only has a 40% chance at furies, his sp2 stun isn't guaranteed, his incinerates aren't guaranteed, the list can go on and on
Next time you pic up a Hyperion, think "Am I getting a champ that is great, or a champ that is mostly rng based?"
I have never seen anyone get that many disagrees. Is this a record?
You may be thinking "bUT hE's GoT DaMaGE anD STufF"
But how does he get most of this stuff? rng his heavy attack only has a 40% chance at furies, his sp2 stun isn't guaranteed, his incinerates aren't guaranteed, the list can go on and on
Next time you pic up a Hyperion, think "Am I getting a champ that is great, or a champ that is mostly rng based?"
I have never seen anyone get that many disagrees. Is this a record?
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Hyperion has a chance to proc fury. What happens if I use a heavy and I get unlucky? Nothing. I just don't get the fury. If I bring Hyperion to a fight hoping his furies will end the fight faster, sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. Sometimes Hyperion has good damage and sometimes he has great damage. The RNG upside is very good, the downside is negligible.
50% chance to shrug off bleeds is better than nothing, but if you bring Domino into a fight where she *has to* shrug off bleeds then sometimes she will, and sometimes she won't. When she does, great. When she doesn't, she might end up dead. And the odds shift the more you have to do this. Shrugging off double edge is one thing, consistently shrugging off biohazard is something else.
Some of Domino's RNG is perfectly fine. Critical failure is perfectly fine. Either it gives you bonus damage, or it doesn't. That's all upside, and that kind of RNG shouldn't count against Domino's usefulness. Nobody ever "needs" critical failure. But when you look at what the reasonable worst case scenario for Domino is, you find a lot of the things she's supposed to be able to do you can't rely upon her doing consistently enough in my opinion, and that reduces her use cases. She's still good, and still useful, but that usefulness is narrower than you might expect given her on-paper abilities. *How* a champ is affected by RNG matters more than *if* they are affected by RNG.
I'll go as far to say without the Red Hulk Synergy Domino and Hyperion would be in two different classes. For the simple reason that Hyperion can work around a lot of different stuff and Domino your kind of subject to if the game feels like rewarding you or pissing you off excluding the Red Hulk synergy. Just my personal opinion a lot of the people in this thread have beaten content that I haven't even attempted yet so what do I know
I mean I get it I really do I could easily see how someone could compare hit monkey to corvus because they can both crit whenever they want but even that compares and it's so far off due to the fact that hit monkey has nothing nearly as powerful/useful as glaive of immortality. It just seems so lazy like yeah they both crit whenever they want so this is the skill corvus.
It’s like saying any champ that gains power over time the new dr Strange, or any champ that does incinerate damage the new Torch. Champions do so much more than just crit, gain power or do Incinerate damage. The game is much more complex than, look that monkey crits. It’s Corvus come again!
Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means saying she's a bad champion. She's incredible for newer players and still solid later on. But I can name plenty of champs in the Mutant class alone that have lots of reliable damage and much more utility.
Plus he has little to no Utility just damage.
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