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Ranking the 2020 champs

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    KDSuperFlash10KDSuperFlash10 Posts: 5,869 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Rouger4 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Why did domino stop being a meta champ? Lack of reliable utility as well as consistent and dependable damage.
    Red goblin is here to stay because there is not many champs like him.
    Red Goblin is literally gimped Venom in every way possible you muppet
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    KDSuperFlash10KDSuperFlash10 Posts: 5,869 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
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    Rouger4Rouger4 Posts: 633 ★★★
    I agree that damage only champs can’t be gamebreaking. But not only does cgr have some utility his damage is in the top tier when it comes to both damage and the practicality of accessing that damage.
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    Rouger4Rouger4 Posts: 633 ★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    According to auntmai his BP surpasses that of doom.
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    PulyamanPulyaman Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    I have no beef in this since I don't care abt CGR or Red goblin. But since you brought up Hood, Hood's fate seal can be maintained the whole fight simply by using heavy attack refresh. Those two champions don't compare in any way.
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    Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,638 ★★★★★

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
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    Legendary_PoeyLegendary_Poey Posts: 209
    1. Apocalypse
    2. Sorcerer Supreme
    3. Professor X
    4. Tigra
    5. Cosmic Ghost Rider
    6. Guardian
    7. Abomination (Immortal)
    8. Dragon Man
    9. Mole Man
    10. Red Goblin (Odin Pre Fights)
    11. Red Guardian
    12. Spider-Ham
    13. Mojo
    14. Longshot
    15. Terrax
    16. Black Widow (Deadly Origin)
    17. Hulk (Immortal)
    18. Storm (Pyramid X)
    19. Sasquatch
    20. Hit-Monkey
    21. Squirrel Girl
    22. Nova
    23. Air-Walker

    Just pulled Abomination (Immortal) and haven't had a ton of time to play around with him. Could easily see myself rating him higher once I've played with him more.
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    Legendary_PoeyLegendary_Poey Posts: 209
    Mcdonalds said:

    1. Apocalypse
    2. Sorcerer Supreme
    3. Professor X
    4. Tigra
    5. Cosmic Ghost Rider
    6. Guardian
    7. Abomination (Immortal)
    8. Dragon Man
    9. Mole Man
    10. Red Goblin (Odin Pre Fights)
    11. Red Guardian
    12. Spider-Ham
    13. Mojo
    14. Longshot
    15. Terrax
    16. Black Widow (Deadly Origin)
    17. Hulk (Immortal)
    18. Storm (Pyramid X)
    19. Sasquatch
    20. Hit-Monkey
    21. Squirrel Girl
    22. Nova
    23. Air-Walker

    Just pulled Abomination (Immortal) and haven't had a ton of time to play around with him. Could easily see myself rating him higher once I've played with him more.

    You’re underrating Ibom Cgr and dm. They put in work
    I love my Dragon Man used him almost every war last season. I just think that the top 10 are rather competitive. The difference between 5 and 9 isn't that large for me. As for iBom as I said I just pulled him a day ago. Cgr I think is rather overrated honestly. I have played with pretty much all of the 2020 champs at 5* r5/6* r2 so this is just from my experience.
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    KDSuperFlash10KDSuperFlash10 Posts: 5,869 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
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    KDSuperFlash10KDSuperFlash10 Posts: 5,869 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    I have no beef in this since I don't care abt CGR or Red goblin. But since you brought up Hood, Hood's fate seal can be maintained the whole fight simply by using heavy attack refresh. Those two champions don't compare in any way.
    By doing the consistent heavy attack refresh playstyle, you have to basically only ever spam heavies in the fight, losing all of your other utility for the most part, and losing all of your damage. It's very powerful, but it's 1 single very powerful ability. Many champs do so much more.
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    Pulyaman said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    I have no beef in this since I don't care abt CGR or Red goblin. But since you brought up Hood, Hood's fate seal can be maintained the whole fight simply by using heavy attack refresh. Those two champions don't compare in any way.
    By doing the consistent heavy attack refresh playstyle, you have to basically only ever spam heavies in the fight, losing all of your other utility for the most part, and losing all of your damage. It's very powerful, but it's 1 single very powerful ability. Many champs do so much more.
    That's part of the reason why one end of people wanted Hood buffed.
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    I have no beef in this since I don't care abt CGR or Red goblin. But since you brought up Hood, Hood's fate seal can be maintained the whole fight simply by using heavy attack refresh. Those two champions don't compare in any way.

    Of course CGR can be compared with Hood. He can access his Power Lock, Heal Block and Fate Seal every time he places 5 Judgements on the opponent. That's basically 2 combos and 1 heavy-cancelled into a special attack. That's an incredibly short ask and leads to a quick cycle.
    And read that cycle the following way:
    When the opponent is not Power Locked, Heal Blocked and Fate Sealed, they have stacking Armour Breaks, alongside which you can place fresh Judgements, which will eventually convert to even more Armour Breaks.
    Maybe his Fate Seal can't be maintained the whole fight like Hood, but look at what else is happening in the cycle.
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    Pulyaman said:

    Texas_11 said:

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    Texas_11 said:

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    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    I have no beef in this since I don't care abt CGR or Red goblin. But since you brought up Hood, Hood's fate seal can be maintained the whole fight simply by using heavy attack refresh. Those two champions don't compare in any way.
    By doing the consistent heavy attack refresh playstyle, you have to basically only ever spam heavies in the fight, losing all of your other utility for the most part, and losing all of your damage. It's very powerful, but it's 1 single very powerful ability. Many champs do so much more.
    I would love to know another champ that can consistently stop buff from ever triggering in a fight. Can CGR do that? That is why I said it is not correct to compare CGR and Hood. They are used for different purposes in game.
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    Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,638 ★★★★★

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

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    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
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    Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,638 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

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    Texas_11 said:

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    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    https://youtu.be/DwFuNEl9up4

    A ramped up RG^
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    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    https://youtu.be/DwFuNEl9up4

    A ramped up RG^
    I mean his damage is good with Odin but all he does is spam heavies for incinerates
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    Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,638 ★★★★★

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

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    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    https://youtu.be/DwFuNEl9up4

    A ramped up RG^
    I mean his damage is good with Odin but all he does is spam heavies for incinerates
    I saw you spam 6 heavies in a row with the unstoppable synergy to get the same or similar damage output ?
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    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    https://youtu.be/DwFuNEl9up4

    A ramped up RG^
    I mean his damage is good with Odin but all he does is spam heavies for incinerates
    I saw you spam 6 heavies in a row with the unstoppable synergy to get the same or similar damage output ?
    Same or similar damage output?? Huh?? 💀💀💀 CGR doesn't hit 75k mediums and 500k L2s to be compared to Roblin's non-crit hits and good incinerates WITH ODIN.
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    cgr and apoc are best
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    I fundamentally disagree with everything op said in this thread....I mean he started the thread with a contradiction.....subjectively and unbiased are not the same thing....as soon as you start being subjective you're biased. And I hate how every champ that doesn't have a lot of utility is considered trash even though they might have really high damage, at this rate I expect him to rank Psycho Man who has abysmal damage but a lot of good utility as the best champ in the game....I have a r5 5* Ihulk and it hurts to say cause he's the hulk and he should be busted but he's barely good...good damage but very impractical and his main ability can easily be countered in many ways....and also sasquatch is great. Have you even tried the vision Aarkus boss in 7.1? He's amazing for him. He has utility and damage....
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    Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,638 ★★★★★

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

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    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    https://youtu.be/DwFuNEl9up4

    A ramped up RG^
    I mean his damage is good with Odin but all he does is spam heavies for incinerates
    I saw you spam 6 heavies in a row with the unstoppable synergy to get the same or similar damage output ?
    Same or similar damage output?? Huh?? 💀💀💀 CGR doesn't hit 75k mediums and 500k L2s to be compared to Roblin's non-crit hits and good incinerates WITH ODIN.
    Looks to me RG finished the fights quicker .
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    The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Posts: 7,783 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

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    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

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    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
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    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

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    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    https://youtu.be/DwFuNEl9up4

    A ramped up RG^
    I mean his damage is good with Odin but all he does is spam heavies for incinerates
    I saw you spam 6 heavies in a row with the unstoppable synergy to get the same or similar damage output ?
    Same or similar damage output?? Huh?? 💀💀💀 CGR doesn't hit 75k mediums and 500k L2s to be compared to Roblin's non-crit hits and good incinerates WITH ODIN.
    Looks to me RG finished the fights quicker .
    Yours is r3 and KD's is r2 right?
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    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

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    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    https://youtu.be/DwFuNEl9up4

    A ramped up RG^
    I mean his damage is good with Odin but all he does is spam heavies for incinerates
    I saw you spam 6 heavies in a row with the unstoppable synergy to get the same or similar damage output ?
    Same or similar damage output?? Huh?? 💀💀💀 CGR doesn't hit 75k mediums and 500k L2s to be compared to Roblin's non-crit hits and good incinerates WITH ODIN.
    Looks to me RG finished the fights quicker .
    Yours is r3 and KD's is r2 right?
    Don’t know his rank. But my Roblin is R3
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    Real_Madrid_76_2Real_Madrid_76_2 Posts: 3,442 ★★★★★
    Guardian cgr and apoc are my top 3 and guardian is no. 1
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    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Rookiie said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Mcdonalds said:

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    https://youtu.be/DwFuNEl9up4

    A ramped up RG^
    I mean his damage is good with Odin but all he does is spam heavies for incinerates
    I saw you spam 6 heavies in a row with the unstoppable synergy to get the same or similar damage output ?
    Same or similar damage output?? Huh?? 💀💀💀 CGR doesn't hit 75k mediums and 500k L2s to be compared to Roblin's non-crit hits and good incinerates WITH ODIN.
    True enough but what's wrong with spamming heavy?
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    Kill_GreyKill_Grey Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★

    I fundamentally disagree with everything op said in this thread....I mean he started the thread with a contradiction.....subjectively and unbiased are not the same thing....as soon as you start being subjective you're biased. And I hate how every champ that doesn't have a lot of utility is considered trash even though they might have really high damage, at this rate I expect him to rank Psycho Man who has abysmal damage but a lot of good utility as the best champ in the game....I have a r5 5* Ihulk and it hurts to say cause he's the hulk and he should be busted but he's barely good...good damage but very impractical and his main ability can easily be countered in many ways....and also sasquatch is great. Have you even tried the vision Aarkus boss in 7.1? He's amazing for him. He has utility and damage....

    That's basically his typical behaviour in every single thread he spearheads. You get used to it.
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    UOG5UOG5 Posts: 55
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    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

    Texas_11 said:

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    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    not only is that a rank 3 red goblin but he also has the odin pre fight ability .Red goblin has worse utility than cgr shorter armour breaks and buffs and to get his good damage you have to use a special 3 and frenzy doesnt even last that long. not everyone has an odin meaning the practicality of using red goblin at a high level as the one in the video is very low. CGR has one of the best Damage outputs in the game behind only ghost and maybe corvus .His precision gives him basically guaranteed crits and his block proficiency is better than DOCTOR DOOM!!! Stop trying to justify your rank up and just tell the truth.
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    Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,638 ★★★★★
    UOG5 said:

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    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .

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    Mcdonalds said:

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    Mcdonalds said:

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    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.

    Texas_11 said:

    CGR is above Apocalypse and Guardian is top 5 for me

    CGR is not above apoc , don’t let the numbers fool you. Apoc does more for anyone’s roster than CGR will do.
    Exactly. He has utility and insane synergies as well as a solid damage output. CGR has amazing damage but far less utility and many champions already have damage.
    Yeah, I get so confused, like Prof X is almost better than CGR IMO. Also with the protect meta , I’m sure he is not as effective.

    If someone was in act 6 and 7 I’m pretty sure Those two champs would put in major work.

    Red goblin actually puts in more work than CGR as well.
    Roblin and Prof X over CGR 💀. You're good at trolling. Better than me
    CGR is a fantastic champ; but generally not as game changing as you think.
    As an owner of a 5* CGR, I can say that he is quite game changing, especially if you don’t have an extremely developed roster. He is very fun to play, and quite easy to get a rotation down when you find one. You can’t just shrug off CGR as not gamechanging when it’s quite easy to constantly hit 10-15k mediums, and destroy people with his sp2.
    You will soon see why domino stopped being a meta champ, and why champs like Falcon have skated to the top.
    Because Falcon doesn't have unreliable utility? CGR's entire kit is reliable with synergies and still insanely overpowered without. Roblin on the other hand requires a lot of investment and requires ramp up in a quest to actually counter something well. If anything, Roblin will fall out and a buffed champ might replace him
    No because the game has shifted from valuing damage to more utility based characters.

    Here's a newsflash for you: CGR has more utility than Red Goblin. Did you know that CGR's damage comes from his utility? Or to put it better, CGR's massive utility contributes to his damage cycle and output.

    Let's list his UTILITY out:

    1) 8 buffs: Armour Up, Vigilance, Power Gain, Aptitude, Cruelty, Unblockable, Precision, Fury

    2) 2 damaging debuffs: Incinerate & Damnation

    3) 4 non-damaging debuffs: Power Lock, Heal Block, Fate Seal, Armour Break (can stack up to 17)

    4) 2 immunities: Bleed & Incinerate

    5) 5 additional bits of utility: Cosmic Penance Stare, SP1 reduces Block Proficiency, SP1 removes Perfect Block Chance, each hit of his SP2 removes 1 Armour Up buff & he has one of the highest Block Proficiency values in the game

    That's 21 pieces of UTILITY.

    So please don't compare CGR to Domino, he's not going anywhere.
    1.) That’s basically all cosmic champs

    2.) I’ll give you that but what cycle is CGR Using the SP1? I’ll give it you you though.

    3.) his damnation buff lasting last 6 seconds, it’s not something you plan in the fight it’s something that happens naturally and you still need to get 5 judgments on to trigger it.

    4.) great immunities check.

    5.) you are basically just giving the abilities of any champ that is incinerated. He has great BP , but guess who also has the same BP as him?
    1. Fact check, you're wrong. CGR is one of the only cosmic champs who has access to 8+ buffs
    2. The best cycle includes his sp1 tbf. Dex, MLLLM for vigilance, sp1 for 2 more judgments, MLLLL for power gain (put them in the corner), then parry heavy spam for +250% aptitude potency with 5 aptitudes (Man-Thing synergy allows you to become unstoppable which makes it a guaranteed heavy attack, but you don't need that), launch an sp3 for a massive fury buff, do normal cycle, drop an sp2 and the opponent is dead.
    3. Everyone was gassing up Hood's 6 second fate seal for being super powerful because it is. So is CGR's. He's a cosmic champion who can nullify ALL buffs off the opponent (and then stop them from gaining more for 6 more seconds) every ~10-15 seconds. That is an incredibly powerful ability.
    4. TRUE
    5. His BP is incredible, it allows him to be extremely sustainable, especially for his playstyle which at times asks of you not to dex (though it is a myth that you "can't dex", he's still fantastic if you can't dex). He can also achieve perfect parries with the block proficiency mastery maxed out, making him incredibly sustainable if you have to parry a lot.

    CGR is an absolute beast of a champion, stop selling him short of how great he is.
    Not selling him short.

    Would love to see that rotation versus mine .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWaj5B3lm5g&t=73s
    This is not actually the perfected rotation because I do one too many heavy attacks. I'm also not playing as a pro CGR player would be playing, kinda just messing around in ROL. I'll upload some more gameplay in the future of how the rotation should be.
    Some red roblin gameplay. First fight

    https://youtu.be/sSHvOOsRqJ0
    not only is that a rank 3 red goblin but he also has the odin pre fight ability .Red goblin has worse utility than cgr shorter armour breaks and buffs and to get his good damage you have to use a special 3 and frenzy doesnt even last that long. not everyone has an odin meaning the practicality of using red goblin at a high level as the one in the video is very low. CGR has one of the best Damage outputs in the game behind only ghost and maybe corvus .His precision gives him basically guaranteed crits and his block proficiency is better than DOCTOR DOOM!!! Stop trying to justify your rank up and just tell the truth.
    A Odin pre fight is something that I will use in his kit , so it’s as valid synergy. No different then cable and apoc or cmm and nick fury.

    I also never said CGR didn’t have good damage.

    Guess who has the same BP as doom? Red goblin.

    I also showed a video of him not using the SP3.

    I don’t need to justify any rank ups I have. I am a proud owner of a R3 CGR and Red Goblin. This is also a low sig Red Goblin so damage would have been significantly better if I had more stones into him.
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    JaballyJabally Posts: 61
    I would personally put Red Gaurdian in the top 10 or 7, I think he is great!
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