Damn. Might need to rank NT up then. Don’t know a lot about his kit. It seems like his rotation is harder to maintain overall and you get less value out of it.
One thing I do know is that the Elsa haters are completely (god forbid I say it) underrating her. Kinda sad the community is so divided on such a great champ.
So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.
How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher
-Theirdamage is pretty close. - Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks - His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar - He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to. - Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs - Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt. - Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups. - Elsa doesn't rely on specials. - Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate. - Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)
Damn. Might need to rank NT up then. Don’t know a lot about his kit. It seems like his rotation is harder to maintain overall and you get less value out of it.
One thing I do know is that the Elsa haters are completely (god forbid I say it) underrating her. Kinda sad the community is so divided on such a great champ.
As someone who used to love Elsa, it's the fact that she's so overrated that makes us divided. Top 5 Skill champ my ass, she has half as much utility as the top 5 Skill champs.
So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.
How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher
-Theirdamage is pretty close. - Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks - His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar - He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to. - Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs - Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt. - Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups. - Elsa doesn't rely on specials. - Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate. - Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)
So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.
How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher
-Theirdamage is pretty close. - Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks - His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar - He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to. - Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs - Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt. - Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups. - Elsa doesn't rely on specials. - Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate. - Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)
How is getting hit impressive? And NT is a far better option for human torch yknow hes incinerate immune right.
“Far better” is a bit of a stretch. Yes you do lose incinerate damage but still not an awful matchup. The video itself was showing you could intercept mid enemy combo more then showing the actual fight. That’s a good utility in my books.
So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.
How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher
-Theirdamage is pretty close. - Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks - His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar - He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to. - Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs - Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt. - Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups. - Elsa doesn't rely on specials. - Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate. - Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)
How is getting hit impressive? And NT is a far better option for human torch yknow hes incinerate immune right.
Its a safety net in case you get hit^
You do know that her evade triggers on well timed blocks, right? With any other champ that'd be a parry and you'd have an opening anyways. 🤦♂️
This is EXACTLY what im talking about . You havent played elsa. Use night trasher , get hit and parry in middle of a 5 hit combo . Lets see what happens
I have used Elsa. And I've evaded in the middle of a combo. You know what else I've done? Parried in the middle of a combo with tons of champs in this game. It's the AI delaying their hits long enough for you to block.
Damn. Might need to rank NT up then. Don’t know a lot about his kit. It seems like his rotation is harder to maintain overall and you get less value out of it.
One thing I do know is that the Elsa haters are completely (god forbid I say it) underrating her. Kinda sad the community is so divided on such a great champ.
As someone who used to love Elsa, it's the fact that she's so overrated that makes us divided. Top 5 Skill champ my ass, she has half as much utility as the top 5 Skill champs.
So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.
How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher
-Theirdamage is pretty close. - Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks - His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar - He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to. - Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs - Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt. - Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups. - Elsa doesn't rely on specials. - Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate. - Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)
How is getting hit impressive? And NT is a far better option for human torch yknow hes incinerate immune right.
“Far better” is a bit of a stretch. Yes you do lose incinerate damage but still not an awful matchup. The video itself was showing you could intercept mid enemy combo more then showing the actual fight. That’s a good utility in my books.
Not a stretch at all, since elsa is not incinerate immune, and her specials deal energy dmg that will ramp his smoulders and will likely incinerate her, NT has no risk of this.
So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.
How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher
-Theirdamage is pretty close. - Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks - His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar - He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to. - Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs - Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt. - Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups. - Elsa doesn't rely on specials. - Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate. - Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)
How is getting hit impressive? And NT is a far better option for human torch yknow hes incinerate immune right.
Its a safety net in case you get hit^
You do know that her evade triggers on well timed blocks, right? With any other champ that'd be a parry and you'd have an opening anyways. 🤦♂️
This is EXACTLY what im talking about . You havent played elsa. Use night trasher , get hit and parry in middle of a 5 hit combo . Lets see what happens
I have used Elsa. And I've evaded in the middle of a combo. You know what else I've done? Parried in the middle of a combo with tons of champs in this game. It's the AI delaying their hits long enough for you to block.
No its not. You can literally do it against any champ as long as they cant counter evade and your evade isnt on cooldown. Go on give me a champ name
I just tried it and you're right, she can evade out of any combo. Which means she's bugged, since her abilities clearly state that her evade only triggers on well-timed blocks. Guess I don't take enough combos to the face with her to notice. 🤦♂️
So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.
How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher
-Theirdamage is pretty close. - Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks - His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar - He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to. - Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs - Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt. - Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups. - Elsa doesn't rely on specials. - Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate. - Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)
How is getting hit impressive? And NT is a far better option for human torch yknow hes incinerate immune right.
Its a safety net in case you get hit^
You do know that her evade triggers on well timed blocks, right? With any other champ that'd be a parry and you'd have an opening anyways. 🤦♂️
This is EXACTLY what im talking about . You havent played elsa. Use night trasher , get hit and parry in middle of a 5 hit combo . Lets see what happens
I have used Elsa. And I've evaded in the middle of a combo. You know what else I've done? Parried in the middle of a combo with tons of champs in this game. It's the AI delaying their hits long enough for you to block.
No its not. You can literally do it against any champ as long as they cant counter evade and your evade isnt on cooldown. Go on give me a champ name
I just tried it and you're right, she can evade out of any combo. Which means she's bugged, since her abilities clearly state that her evade only triggers on well-timed blocks. Guess I don't take enough combos to the face with her to notice. 🤦♂️
Never noticed that but tbf, the game's description is largely vague and sometimes inaccurate (cough* Quake* cough)
So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.
How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher
-Theirdamage is pretty close. - Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks - His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar - He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to. - Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs - Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt. - Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups. - Elsa doesn't rely on specials. - Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate. - Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)
How is getting hit impressive? And NT is a far better option for human torch yknow hes incinerate immune right.
“Far better” is a bit of a stretch. Yes you do lose incinerate damage but still not an awful matchup. The video itself was showing you could intercept mid enemy combo more then showing the actual fight. That’s a good utility in my books.
Not a stretch at all, since elsa is not incinerate immune, and her specials deal energy dmg that will ramp his smoulders and will likely incinerate her, NT has no risk of this.
Elsa's specials aren't energy damage. I used her against gwenperion with no issues.
Damn. Might need to rank NT up then. Don’t know a lot about his kit. It seems like his rotation is harder to maintain overall and you get less value out of it.
The better you can heavy counter, the better your experience with NT will be. Once you get the special 1 fired off (very easy with his power gain) just landing heavies until you get the taunt and then refreshing it is loads easier with the ability to consistently heavy counter.
You can also do a few combos then refresh to get some more damage in while continuously building up the furies
When deciding between champions, you can't just compare the two. You need to compare each champion to the rest of the champions in the game. What is NT going to do for you that isn't done better by a different champion?
I can tell you what Elsa can do that no other champ can. She has degen on bleed for a mildly annoying AW def scenario. She also has intercept on parry, I know of at least one person that used that to beat Abyss Luke Cage.
I feel like this is a close one. Both has bonuses on their own. NT has immunity, high physical resistance and strong block proficiency. So if you like some defensive utility in offense go NT. His anti evasion is passive where your opponents literally can’t evade no matter what. He loves his synergies which is kinda disadvantage for me. His taunt is being handy only if you’re not facing Annihilus. He needs his fury buffs for being effectively deal damage which is not that good for nodes like spite, tranquility, etc where the opponent takes advantage of your buffs. His purification is on knock down so not the best where you just can’t knock yourself down in endgame matches.
With Elsa you can play fast and safe both. Parry intercept mechanic is so unique. She has THE HIGHEST “BASE” CRIT RATING in the game. This is going crazy with sp1 precision buff and precision from purify. With max sig which she needs imo she’s a total killing machine with bonus crit damage rating. Her Anti evade is reliant on coldsnap but it kinda works %90 of the time. Elsa doesn’t need her buffs sure they help but not that crucial. She has ideal rotations but she can just hit and hit it will differ -+ 20 combo meter. Her purification is so practical all you need is wait for 3 seconds to gain massive crit rating.
It was a close one but overall my vote is for Elsa.
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One thing I do know is that the Elsa haters are completely (god forbid I say it) underrating her. Kinda sad the community is so divided on such a great champ.
You can also do a few combos then refresh to get some more damage in while continuously building up the furies
I can tell you what Elsa can do that no other champ can. She has degen on bleed for a mildly annoying AW def scenario. She also has intercept on parry, I know of at least one person that used that to beat Abyss Luke Cage.
With Elsa you can play fast and safe both. Parry intercept mechanic is so unique. She has THE HIGHEST “BASE” CRIT RATING in the game. This is going crazy with sp1 precision buff and precision from purify. With max sig which she needs imo she’s a total killing machine with bonus crit damage rating. Her Anti evade is reliant on coldsnap but it kinda works %90 of the time. Elsa doesn’t need her buffs sure they help but not that crucial. She has ideal rotations but she can just hit and hit it will differ -+ 20 combo meter. Her purification is so practical all you need is wait for 3 seconds to gain massive crit rating.
It was a close one but overall my vote is for Elsa.