Night thrasher or Elsa bloodstone ????

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Bonzodavid

Elsa bloodstone

Just a better Champion.
Better evade counter, better and easier to access damage, easier playstile which is more realistic in more match-ups, and better utility.

Kill_Grey

Elsa bloodstone

Night Thrasher is good, but Elsa is >

Even if he was max Sig, I'd still probably go with Elsa first.

The_Sentry06

Elsa bloodstone

Much easier to get into good damage than NT.

SpideyFunko

Night thrasher

Have both. Night Thrasher is better.

Kill_Grey

Elsa bloodstone

SpideyFunko said:

Have both. Night Thrasher is better.

Well I have both at the "highest" levels; and Elsa is better.

Will3808

Elsa bloodstone

Night thrasher needs high sig whereas Elsa can be played unawakened. It’s not a contest unless night thrasher is already awakened and at high sig.

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The_Sentry06

Elsa bloodstone

JoshKosh557 said:

Bonzodavid said:

Just a better Champion.
Better evade counter, better and easier to access damage, easier playstile which is more realistic in more match-ups, and better utility.

NT is incinerate immune, blocks autoblock and evade on his base without needing the opponent to evade, inflicts incinerate along with shock, taunt and a disorient lowering AA by 50% that can be maintained the entire fight. Has infinite parries tho that's pretty niche. Elsa has the incinerate and coldstanp (evade counter) also has the debuff shrug for voids and other niche scenarios (prefer willpower in most cases). She also has her parry evade thing which is great for aspect of war, or just the ebb and flow intercept lane in AW. I personally prefer NT's utility.

50% AAR is pretty unreliable though.

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The_Sentry06

Elsa bloodstone

JoshKosh557 said:

The_Sentry06 said:

JoshKosh557 said:

Bonzodavid said:

Just a better Champion.
Better evade counter, better and easier to access damage, easier playstile which is more realistic in more match-ups, and better utility.

NT is incinerate immune, blocks autoblock and evade on his base without needing the opponent to evade, inflicts incinerate along with shock, taunt and a disorient lowering AA by 50% that can be maintained the entire fight. Has infinite parries tho that's pretty niche. Elsa has the incinerate and coldstanp (evade counter) also has the debuff shrug for voids and other niche scenarios (prefer willpower in most cases). She also has her parry evade thing which is great for aspect of war, or just the ebb and flow intercept lane in AW. I personally prefer NT's utility.

50% AAR is pretty unreliable though.

true, maybe he works for caustic temper cuz it has a 50% chance to trigger poison and you need a fury buff, idk. He does have his power gain to get him to sp1 so he doesn't need to hit the opponent till he inflicts the disorient (considering this works, I haven't tested it). I just thought of magik so I put the AA lol

Fair enough. I like all of NT's other utilities. Dislike the investment it requires and that it takes quite a while to ramp up.

Aleor

Night thrasher

Night trasher if he's duped

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SpideyFunko

Night thrasher

TheManMythLegend said:

So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.

How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher

it would help if you actually voted for night Thrasher

IKON

Elsa bloodstone

Night Thrasher needs the sigs, and they're better spent elsewhere.

I'm also a big fan of investing in champs that you will likely never see an ability replicated again. Very good chance you never see another champion with intercept on parry.

Bonzodavid

Elsa bloodstone

TheManMythLegend said:

So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.

How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher

-Theirdamage is pretty close.
- Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks
- His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar
- He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to.
- Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs
- Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt.
- Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups.
- Elsa doesn't rely on specials.
- Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate.
- Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)

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xNig

Elsa bloodstone

Okay but seriously..

The reason I’d take Elsa over NT is because of her sigs. She hits HARD when fighting L/XL and Science champs.

Add that with her heavy debuff playstyle (which means limiting regen), evade counter with coldsnap, and without the need to parry (which means she takes limited block chip damage).

NT of course, is useful as well with his kit. But playstyle wise, Elsa just suits me better.

xNig

Elsa bloodstone

The_Sentry06 said:

xNig said:

TheManMythLegend said:

TheManMythLegend said:

So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.

How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher

Instead of lol and disagree how about actually trying to make an argument... this is why i always specify in my polls that ill never take a empty vote seriously. Back it up or don't bother

Elsa is pretty hot (a girl with guns? Oh come on!) and her long red flowy ponytailed hair just rocks my boat. 😉

@Faseeh here's someone who admires Elsa the way you do.

I took Elsa over CptIW. 😬

Etjama

Night thrasher

Go with NT if he's awakened and at a decent sig level. He has more utility.

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Sarvanga1_

Elsa bloodstone

Can nt do this?

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Aleor

Night thrasher

Bonzodavid said:

TheManMythLegend said:

So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.

How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher

-Theirdamage is pretty close.
- Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks
- His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar
- He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to.
- Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs
- Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt.
- Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups.
- Elsa doesn't rely on specials.
- Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate.
- Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)

Not better evade counter, you need first to be evaded, then to finish combo with M, wich can be evaded and you won't be able to block an attack. Also won't work vs coldsnap/debuff immune champs. With NT you only need to stick to skateboard attacks.
Elsas playstyle more practical how? NT is just as practical
Elsa doesn't rely on specials - just like NT. Most of his utility doesn't come from sps.
Elsa doesn't require any rampup - not true, you want to stack her busted, wich is just as much of ramp up as NT's furies.
Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like) - with NT evade/parry up to sp1, and you don't need to parry-heavy. Also you can land a heavy without parry, bait heavy, punish special, pretty much like Hyperion. NT has a good reach on heavy.

BigBlueOx

Bonzodavid said:

Just a better Champion.
Better evade counter, better and easier to access damage, easier playstile which is more realistic in more match-ups, and better utility.

The better evade counter is just an infinitely wrong statement that makes me think you’ve never used NT

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The_Sentry06

Elsa bloodstone

Mcdonalds said:

Faseeh said:

Aleor said:

Bonzodavid said:

TheManMythLegend said:

So someone please explain to me how elsa is better... NT have better dmg. Hes got incinerate immunity. Easy evade AND autoblock counter. Ability accuracy reduction. Taunt. Longer debuffs. Can incinerate and shock.

How is elsa winning this!! Its not even a knock on elsa as i think shes a solid champ. It just shows that people are sleeping so damn hard on thrasher

-Theirdamage is pretty close.
- Elsa counters evade better since you can play normally/not only use specific attacks
- His aar is not reliable, would not use that in a place where I need aar
- He has incenerate and shock, while elsa has incinerate/coldsnap and busted which no champ is immune to.
- Longer debuffs/incenrate counter - yes those come in occasionally usefully but personally I prefer elsa's easy openings and shrugging of debuffs
- Taunt - yep I'll give you that I absolutely love taunt.
- Elsas playstyle is more practical in a lot more match-ups.
- Elsa doesn't rely on specials.
- Elsa doesn't require any rampup, has insane damage out of the gate.
- Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like)

Not better evade counter, you need first to be evaded, then to finish combo with M, wich can be evaded and you won't be able to block an attack. Also won't work vs coldsnap/debuff immune champs. With NT you only need to stick to skateboard attacks.
Elsas playstyle more practical how? NT is just as practical
Elsa doesn't rely on specials - just like NT. Most of his utility doesn't come from sps.
Elsa doesn't require any rampup - not true, you want to stack her busted, wich is just as much of ramp up as NT's furies.
Doesn't rely on heavy attacks (way better in stun immune match-ups and the like) - with NT evade/parry up to sp1, and you don't need to parry-heavy. Also you can land a heavy without parry, bait heavy, punish special, pretty much like Hyperion. NT has a good reach on heavy.

Which coldsnap immune champion evades?

Any debuff immune, wasp, and any coldsnap immune on mesmeriza/evade nodes (difficult annihilus in 6.3, cannot be countered by elsa)

Tbf, Night Trasher also looses a lot of damage against Debuff Immunes if I'm not wrong. Plus those are some niche scenarios.

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