There are only two good mystics doom and sorcerer

Do you thing doom is the only good mystic do u thing it's doom and someone else like Clair or sorcerer do you think the most lacking class is mystic pick yes for any of these or no for none

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Ezra7676

It’s funny that not a single person so far has mentioned Hood after the Hood Buff Revolt of early ‘21.

I have him high sig r5 and teamed with ghost. I'd like some of those other flashy champs but Hood is what they gave me and he does work.

CosmicGuardian

Personally, mystic is probably my number one class right now. There are a bunch of great champs other than Doom and Sorcerer.
Claire has some decent damage and regen potential, and you get to access more of that in matches with buffs and/or immunities.
Mojo may not be the best but he was my first R5 and I still use him all the time, that reduced buff duration has come in handy quite a bit and I find him quite fun to play.
Tigra may have a bit of a steep learning curve, but when played properly she can do some great damage.
Sasquatch can also get some nice damage with a fun rotation.
Morningstar can be very sustainable once ramped, and in buff heavy matchups she can do some nice burst damage off the sp2, while also purifying each buff.
Symbiote Supreme is an excellent counter for buff heavy matchups, and can also seal some decent damage if the opponent can bleed.
And there are still other great champs, those are just the ones I have experience with. Overall, I honestly don’t think the mystic class is trash, but to each their own. And as for mystic dispersion, I find it makes a great difference for a lot of mystic champs and is more than worth the investment, but once again, to each their own.

KindaGomans3

@KindaGomans3 if you want to hear valid opinions instead of shooting down the ones you're currently hearing, then let's find some common ground as to what good is? Are you defining it based on usability in end game content, variants, or general utility?
I didn't specify because it's opinion bases but id say good is what you can do in comparison to other champs what makes them stand out
Alright then. Mojo and Dragon Man can solo the 6.2.2 Mr. Sinister without synergies. I haven't seen Doom or Sorcerer Supreme do that? Mojo is more useful for more variants than Doom or Sorcerer. Are these enough comparisons that make them stand out?
Niche fight and bad example mojo will probably die from block damage before you can get him down also doom and do all of mystic monthly by himself which is arguably better as preferred to the other two
Honestly I think Mojo gets more flack for his block proficiency than he deserves. Is it bad? Yes. He is still very sustainable regardless because you either won't be blocking too much or his regen will counteract the damage. Also, Doom shouldn't be the benchmark for what's good. If that were the case, then each class would basically only have 1-2 good champs (apart from probably mutant). The benchmark for good should be much lower.

Doom isn't a benchmark I just don't think the others are as good as people say I can't see the use cases for champs like sym supreme or widow I'm sure people here would just stick them in as the best and I don't think that they are but they don't have to be I think widow is good I wouldn't say as good as sorcerer and especially doom i just can see people viably using these champs as prefer to somebody else even if they were second choice and that goes for every who I consider worst then widow and that's why I think the mystic class sucks

When u talk about things it's relatively we know champs are good because other champs are bad if we where to size up the top 3 in mystic to the top 3 in other classes it's a land slide no doubt (excluding mutant) and this stands true to whomever u think is the best in each class. They just have a hard time comparing even to second rate characters.

DNA3000

Plot twist: OP was trying to break the disagree record

Good luck with that: this thread hasn't even broken my disagree record, and I most definitely don't have the forum record.

A_NAZ

@TheManMythLegend

DNA3000

I can't see the use cases for champs like sym supreme or widow

If it bleeds and it procs buffs there are very few champs that are going to destroy them as efficiently as Symbiote Supreme.

KindaGomans3

Plot twist: OP was trying to break the disagree record
Good luck with that: this thread hasn't even broken my disagree record, and I most definitely don't have the forum record.

What poll of urs I didn't see any that where massively one sided

Woody15

Dr. Voodoo, Black Widow Claire Voyent, Symbiote Supreme, Magik, Scarlet Witch, Morningstar, Long Shot, Mephisto, Ghost are all good. I'm sure I'm forgetting some other champs too

Demonzfyre

Wow I think this class sucks
Claire is a noodle
Tigra needs to be played a certain way or she's niche
Man thing is mentioned not sure why
Again morning star is clunky and not worth it
Sym power gain is atrocious in a ok match up

Do you know how to actually play any of these characters?

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KindaGomans3

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.

Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison

New_Noob168

Tech and cosmic are the worst classes.

Uh cosmic ghost rider, hyperion and corvus?

ghost and warlock?

KindaGomans3

Wow I think this class sucks
Claire is a noodle
Tigra needs to be played a certain way or she's niche
Man thing is mentioned not sure why
Again morning star is clunky and not worth it
Sym power gain is atrocious in a ok match up
Do you know how to actually play any of these characters?

I do there, lack luster

Masterpuff

Wow I think this class sucks
Claire is a noodle
Tigra needs to be played a certain way or she's niche
Man thing is mentioned not sure why
Again morning star is clunky and not worth it
Sym power gain is atrocious in a ok match up
Do you know how to actually play any of these characters?
I do there, lack luster

X to doubt

Colinwhitworth69

Wow I think this class sucks
Claire is a noodle
Tigra needs to be played a certain way or she's niche
Man thing is mentioned not sure why
Again morning star is clunky and not worth it
Sym power gain is atrocious in a ok match up

LOL. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Claire is not a noodle if you know how to play her.
Ghost, CGR, Apoc, Doom, etc., all have to be played a certain way, not just Tigra.
Man Thing is really good, again, if you know how to play him.
M-star does take a lot to ramp up. but it is worth the effort. Just take a run thru Incursions with her.
Sym Supreme's base power gain is slow, but if you run MD, which you should if you use mystics, he gains power fast and can spam sp2 and sp3.

I have rank 2 6 star Longshort, Claire, Sym Supreme, Dragonman and Sorcerer Supreme, and a 5/65 Doom, Mstar, Magik and Mojo.

I use them all, often.

And this is not to mentioned Voodoo, Guilly, Ghost Rider, Hood, Mephisto, and Sasquatch, all of which are above avg champs.

Demonzfyre

Wow I think this class sucks
Claire is a noodle
Tigra needs to be played a certain way or she's niche
Man thing is mentioned not sure why
Again morning star is clunky and not worth it
Sym power gain is atrocious in a ok match up
Do you know how to actually play any of these characters?
I do there, lack luster

That was a rhetorical question. It's obvious you don't know how to play them. You alone saying Sym Supreme's power gain is atrocious tells me you don't have a clue.

Demonzfyre

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.
Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison

Warlock is not immune to shock. He's immune to bleed, poison, coldsnap and frostbite.

Spinnaker

Wow I think this class sucks
Claire is a noodle
Tigra needs to be played a certain way or she's niche
Man thing is mentioned not sure why
Again morning star is clunky and not worth it
Sym power gain is atrocious in a ok match up
Do you know how to actually play any of these characters?
I do there, lack luster

In the hands of skilled players who know the ins and outs of a champ, their full potential can be realized. Quake isn't anything mindblowing unless you know how to play her. This applies for all champions too. Every champ needs to be played a certain way but that doesn't detract from how good they are when played properly

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KindaGomans3

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.
Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison
Warlock is not immune to shock. He's immune to bleed, poison, coldsnap and frostbite.

Oh yes u have anything to say to my other points

Masterpuff

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.
Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison
Warlock is not immune to shock. He's immune to bleed, poison, coldsnap and frostbite.
Oh yes u have anything to say to my other points

I would place Clair over g99 with suicides.

KindaGomans3

Wow I think this class sucks
Claire is a noodle
Tigra needs to be played a certain way or she's niche
Man thing is mentioned not sure why
Again morning star is clunky and not worth it
Sym power gain is atrocious in a ok match up
Do you know how to actually play any of these characters?
I do there, lack luster
In the hands of skilled players who know the ins and outs of a champ, their full potential can be realized. Quake isn't anything mindblowing unless you know how to play her. This applies for all champions too. Every champ needs to be played a certain way but that doesn't detract from how good they are when played properly

Wow I think this class sucks
Claire is a noodle
Tigra needs to be played a certain way or she's niche
Man thing is mentioned not sure why
Again morning star is clunky and not worth it
Sym power gain is atrocious in a ok match up
Do you know how to actually play any of these characters?
I do there, lack luster
In the hands of skilled players who know the ins and outs of a champ, their full potential can be realized. Quake isn't anything mindblowing unless you know how to play her. This applies for all champions too. Every champ needs to be played a certain way but that doesn't detract from how good they are when played properly
yea groot is a top champ, people just dont know how to play him

Yeah thanks not sure if u where intensionally doing so to prove my argument Josh but thanks non the less and some champs are pretty basic on there kit not sure what ur referring to alot of champs nick guillotine 2099 stealth spider Man aegon even apocalypse because someone mentioned him are pretty much just hit and don't get hit some may have a prerequisite on what specials u would like to throw but that's it there definitely not as complex as tigra and I don't know why it's being brought up because alot of people would believe this too

KindaGomans3

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.
Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison
Warlock is not immune to shock. He's immune to bleed, poison, coldsnap and frostbite.
Oh yes u have anything to say to my other points
I would place Clair over g99 with suicides.

?? Didn't post but what about without?

Masterpuff

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.
Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison
Warlock is not immune to shock. He's immune to bleed, poison, coldsnap and frostbite.
Oh yes u have anything to say to my other points
I would place Clair over g99 with suicides.
?? Didn't post but what about without?

Then i would go G99 over Clair.

nOux

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.
Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison
Warlock is not immune to shock. He's immune to bleed, poison, coldsnap and frostbite.
Oh yes u have anything to say to my other points

You just talking about things that u have no idea what u even talking about. How can anyone take you seriously? After reading what u said in this thread i just can say that u have 0 idea about this game and how to play it.

DNA3000

Plot twist: OP was trying to break the disagree record
Good luck with that: this thread hasn't even broken my disagree record, and I most definitely don't have the forum record.
What poll of urs I didn't see any that where massively one sided

I don't do polls in general. I had a post that I think racked up something like 50 or 60 disagrees once a long while ago, but there are posts out there with triple digit disagree flags.

BlackTuran

@KindaGomans3 if you want to hear valid opinions instead of shooting down the ones you're currently hearing, then let's find some common ground as to what good is? Are you defining it based on usability in end game content, variants, or general utility?
I didn't specify because it's opinion bases but id say good is what you can do in comparison to other champs what makes them stand out
Alright then. Mojo and Dragon Man can solo the 6.2.2 Mr. Sinister without synergies. I haven't seen Doom or Sorcerer Supreme do that? Mojo is more useful for more variants than Doom or Sorcerer. Are these enough comparisons that make them stand out?
Niche fight and bad example mojo will probably die from block damage before you can get him down also doom and do all of mystic monthly by himself which is arguably better as preferred to the other two
Honestly I think Mojo gets more flack for his block proficiency than he deserves. Is it bad? Yes. He is still very sustainable regardless because you either won't be blocking too much or his regen will counteract the damage. Also, Doom shouldn't be the benchmark for what's good. If that were the case, then each class would basically only have 1-2 good champs (apart from probably mutant). The benchmark for good should be much lower.
Doom isn't a benchmark I just don't think the others are as good as people say I can't see the use cases for champs like sym supreme or widow I'm sure people here would just stick them in as the best and I don't think that they are but they don't have to be I think widow is good I wouldn't say as good as sorcerer and especially doom i just can see people viably using these champs as prefer to somebody else even if they were second choice and that goes for every who I consider worst then widow and that's why I think the mystic class sucks

When u talk about things it's relatively we know champs are good because other champs are bad if we where to size up the top 3 in mystic to the top 3 in other classes it's a land slide no doubt (excluding mutant) and this stands true to whomever u think is the best in each class. They just have a hard time comparing even to second rate characters.

ever heard of punctuation? I had a stroke reading that.

Demonzfyre

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.
Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison
Warlock is not immune to shock. He's immune to bleed, poison, coldsnap and frostbite.
Oh yes u have anything to say to my other points

Yes, you are leaving out important functionalities of G2099. She only heals if Stability Function is active. She only has 2 immunities in bleed and poison. She can only heal without Stability Function if she has 1 digi-soul and below 15% health. That's her big heal.
G2099 is only effective when she gets over 100 combo and you end the fight with a SP3. There is a lot to keep track of with her to keep her going, and having to keep using pre-fight every time and ending each fight with a SP3 to keep the combo meter going.

Claire needs none of that. Claire is immune to Bleed, Poison and Incinerate. She can fully heal based on charges, power drain or increase attack depending on which phase she's in. Just like all champs, Claire has her weak fights. She's the best against champs that have immunities.

Warlocks Armor breaks aren't huge and he only does them on SP2. In my opinion, Warlock is better than G2099 but BWCV is stronger.

KindaGomans3

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.
Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison
Warlock is not immune to shock. He's immune to bleed, poison, coldsnap and frostbite.
Oh yes u have anything to say to my other points
I would place Clair over g99 with suicides.
?? Didn't post but what about without?
Then i would go G99 over Clair.

Well of course because she sucks as a character without them

BlackTuran

Mystic has more choices than 2 as others said ur missing so many other great mystics magik number 1 best power control supreme probs the best buff heavy counter claire with her utility ms with her being ramped up with life steal and perfect block man thing as can just go into so many sp1s if not poison immune u can apply so many sas and so on i can go about champs
Best power control is doom

Very few champs have lots of buffs for his to take advantage of

Claire had very lack luster damage

And there are wayyyyy better champs for poison
There is an entire class based around buffs as well as some mutants that now gain buffs like crazy.

Damage isn't everything. Claire is an utility champ. With suicides in hellfire curse she hits pretty hard anyway from what I've seen.
What are you on about
Yes it isnt but what is she honestly bringing to the table immunities warlock and any robot has those

She had nothing really else going for here besides her Regen which sucks if u don't crit and there are much better champs for sustainability
Last I checked there was no way in hell Warlock, Sentinel or Guilly 2099 were immune to incinerate.
Or able to spam specials without synergy when BWCV can gain power when either she or her opponent is immune to a debuff.
(Yes I know there is a synergy between the robots)

She has 3 immunities, she can buff and power control, deal red numbers, apply 3/4 different debuffs and regenerate with ease. She even has a cheat death mechanic. I don't see how you think she isn't a great champ, what more do you want? I've probably missed stuff, I don't even have her as above a r4 4*.

Also king leo would be having a breakdown if he was still here.
Warlock is shock immune and guillotine has constant healing that doesn't rely on crit she also gets a massive healing that doesn't rely on specials

Both her sp heal and damage rely heavily on crits which is why u can end up with mediocre healing or damage guillotine can't crit and warlock gets massive armor breaks and can reduce ability accuracy will heal blocking champs

Do you think widow is better then warlock?
I can see guillotine I love the champ she's my second favorite but warlock who has soooo many use cases in comparison
Warlock is not immune to shock. He's immune to bleed, poison, coldsnap and frostbite.
Oh yes u have anything to say to my other points
I would place Clair over g99 with suicides.
?? Didn't post but what about without?
Then i would go G99 over Clair.
Well of course because she sucks as a character without them

no, she doesn't. just because a character doesn't have crazy damage doesn't mean they suck.