A Small PSA to Those Who Are as Unhappy About the T3A and T6B as I Am

MasterpuffMasterpuff Member Posts: 6,473 ★★★★★
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So I was incredibly unhappy this is how these were introduced. I would much rather have seen them first in 7.2. After the new boss. So I looked at the amount being sold. Then looked at the amount needed to r4 someone.

I was quite unhappy but also a little relieved.

Now my thinking is that July 4th will have about twice or three times what is in there offers. INCLUDING THE UNIT OFFERS.

Now it takes 3 T3A to r4 a 6* champion.

In today’s deals, there are 14,000 fragments.

So you get 14,000/135,000 needed frags today. Thats only about 10.4%. While that is about 10.4% more than i was hoping for, it isnt massive. Now on 4th of July, i am expecting about an additional 9000 frags in each odin and maybe 15k in the rank up part of the 10k.

Still only 56,000/135,000. It isnt incredibly game breaking.

You need 3 t6b for a r4.
There are 14,250 t6b frags in todays deals. That is 14,250/171,000 fragments. Thats a very small 8.3% of a r4. I strongly dislike that they are in the deals, but I can live with that. Now on 4th of July, I am expecting to see 1 half of a catalyst in the 10k rank up bundle.(Hopefully less, but realistically.) And in the Odin, i am expecting 14250 again in the odins. Or 10,000 or something.

Still barely a catalyst.


Obviously this is still a massive advantage.


But Kabam has been telling us the SOP is being released soon. So it leads me to wonder if that will have far more than the amount in these offers.

It is not uncommon for many companies including Kabam to release new stuff through a paywall.

So while this decision leaves a sour taste in my mouth, I expect them to even out the playing field. Whether it is through the SOP or another piece of large content.
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  • H3t3rH3t3r Member, Guardian Posts: 2,882 Guardian
    I wouldn't be surprised if 7.2 has maybe 50% of each. Then SOP having even more. So by 4th of july we could see a r4.
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Member Posts: 6,473 ★★★★★
    Additionally, you need 2 of the same t5cc and the initial one to r3 them. Most people have only gotten 3 in all from a class.
  • H3t3rH3t3r Member, Guardian Posts: 2,882 Guardian
    IKON said:

    You're definitely right that it's not game breaking, however I think it sends a pretty clear message when this is introduced in the whale event of whale events. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

    They are definitely gearing up to release more of these mats. Or maybe this was a test run to see how the community would react and decide if they want to push these mats back or keep them in place.
  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 4,025 Guardian
    When I saw the amount they offered, I genuinely chuckled. Felt seriously overpriced, and I realized that every single whale, no matter how bad the offer is, would get it nonetheless. The company knows really hope to push buttons and get the top folks into a feeding frenzy.
    That said, even though it is an insignificant amount, I do think we will start seeing more of these offers, akin to the t5cc/t5b offers we saw previously. 5k shards there, 10k elsewhere. Expect to see them start trickling in.
  • magnus_xixmagnus_xix Member Posts: 2,036 ★★★★★
    Another day another bad offer. Life will move on.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,706 ★★★★★
    danielmath said:

    i didn't even consider buying the r4 resources, did anyone actually get it?

    I did.
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Member Posts: 6,473 ★★★★★
    danielmath said:

    i didn't even consider buying the r4 resources, did anyone actually get it?

    Probably. I wasnt a tiniest bit enticed.
  • Agent_X_zzzAgent_X_zzz Member Posts: 4,498 ★★★★★
    Yuup always locked behind paywalls, just as r3s originally were, although overtime ftp / low spending players gained access to them over time, it took quite a while, and as u said its not game breaking currently, it is just separating the gap more and more between whales and non whales.
  • StevieManWonderStevieManWonder Member Posts: 5,019 ★★★★★
    danielmath said:

    i didn't even consider buying the r4 resources, did anyone actually get it?

    I didn’t and I had more than enough doubloons for it. I went for the class nexuses (went for CGR and failed both times) and the six star nexuses (also for CGR, missed all three times). All the champs I ended up getting were new at least except for Void who I already had at max sig.
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Member Posts: 6,473 ★★★★★
    Moosetiptronic said:

    The whales, literally, keep the lights on. As someone who only occasionally gets the 4.99 unit offer, I'm incredibly grateful to the people spending 400+ on this today, to allow me to continue to play.

    Although maybe it would be better for all the mcoc addicts if they didn't, so the lights did get switched off ;-)

    Agreed.
  • MoosetiptronicMoosetiptronic Member Posts: 2,166 ★★★★
    Although, @Masterpuff , I agree HUGELY with the sentiment in other threads that this feels too early. I was hoping until at least end of act 7 for this....

    But if you are a whale with 18+ r3 and a few at Max sig, perhaps this is the only thing that will keep them spending?
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Member Posts: 6,473 ★★★★★
    Moosetiptronic said:

    Although, @Masterpuff , I agree HUGELY with the sentiment in other threads that this feels too early. I was hoping until at least end of act 7 for this....

    But if you are a whale with 18+ r3 and a few at Max sig, perhaps this is the only thing that will keep them spending?

    I was hoping for a little bit in 7.2 Explo because of the special boss.
  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 4,025 Guardian
    TheTalents said:

    I said this in another thread but Kabam needs to release content to where we actually need r3 6 stars. Everything can be done with 5 stars at the moment, and for me personally for me to continue on I will my overpowered champs to have a use outside of AW. If r4 6 stars get released and everything can still be done within reason with 5 stars I will consider moving on. At that point you're just a collector and I don't play the game simply for collection.

    i expect this to take place in 7.3. If it follows a similar trend as in act6. r4s are not reaaallly useful and totally viable for 6.3+ content (except for cheesing). Expect aq to get an update/aw as well to make t5cc mainstream and then 7,3 onwards they will probably mainstream 6*. Will need an arena update as well.
  • CrcrcrcCrcrcrc Member Posts: 7,983 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Agent_X_zzz said:

    Yuup always locked behind paywalls, just as r3s originally were, although overtime ftp / low spending players gained access to them over time, it took quite a while, and as u said its not game breaking currently, it is just separating the gap more and more between whales and non whales.

    The exact opposite actually. Those fragments cannot be used by anyone to do anything yet. So every single whale that spends on that offer is in effect passing up on other offers that the rest of us are getting. This acts to reduce the gap between those who buy that offer and everyone else. It is actually (in a small incremental way) retarding their progress by a small amount.

    In some future time those fragments will become useful for something, but it may not be to get the first R4. It may be to get the second, or the third**. This is still significant, but given we have to dangle stuff in front of the highest spenders to incentivize them to spend, selling them a maybe advantage in the unspecified future in a way that slows them down relative to everyone else today is the absolute best possible thing you could tangle in front of them. It offers the least actual value for the most excitement (assuming you're a whale excited to spend on such an offer).


    ** Why? Because fragments can't be used on their own. If the first set of content that contains R4 materials contains just enough to form one, those fragments offer zero advantage towards getting the first one. But they would likely offer an advantage towards getting the second, or the third, as more fragments become generally available. It depends on how future fragments and catalysts become available, and in what specific quantities.
    I usually agree with your posts, but this one is a hard disagree for me. If they keep selling fragments at this amount, and run events with tiny amounts of fragments for f2p players, eventually it will stack up to form them (just like the first t5cc was formed). The first content to give t5cc did not give a full one, but fragments, that eventually stacked to form one over time. And I would bet that the first r3 was not by a f2p player. Every set of fragments is a huge boost for the future, and deals like this will only speed that up by a lot for heavy spenders. It has a lot of value, especially if they continue dropping deals with this amount of fragments for money only.
  • TrashyPandaTrashyPanda Member Posts: 1,574 ★★★★★
    I honestly don't care about the paywall. Letting people who have demanding jobs/schedules advance their roster through money is great for game health. If your top-level is nothing but f2p'ers who dedicate their lives to a game, said game will go broke pretty quickly.

    Whale blubber is good for us all.

    The problem is that they're even thinking about r4s before we have any content that isn't trivialized with r3s. Hell, most content is trivialized with godly 5r5s. Last thing I want is for my precious, nourishing whale blubber to dry up because they got bored.

    It's not a problem right now, but it very well could be, and that makes me nervous for the game's future and, well, less likely to invest in mcoc. I just don't trust Kabam to handle balance well -- I mean, it's not exactly something they're know for, lol.
  • HieitakuHieitaku Member Posts: 1,377 ★★★★★
    Exactly.

    It's concerning that these came out without anyone expecting they would, but it's also still too early to predict if & how steadily available they will be in the coming months and when anyone will actually be able to accumulate enough of them to achieve a 6r4 champion.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    pseudosane said:

    Worknprogress said:

    pseudosane said:

    Worknprogress said:

    pseudosane said:

    When I saw the amount they offered, I genuinely chuckled. Felt seriously overpriced, and I realized that every single whale, no matter how bad the offer is, would get it nonetheless. The company knows really hope to push buttons and get the top folks into a feeding frenzy.
    That said, even though it is an insignificant amount, I do think we will start seeing more of these offers, akin to the t5cc/t5b offers we saw previously. 5k shards there, 10k elsewhere. Expect to see them start trickling in.

    This is why I can't take some of you seriously at all. You talk constantly about things you don't have a clue about and make absolutely ridiculous assumptions based on nothing.

    That's such a mind blowingly stupid thing to say or think that I have a hard time believing some of you are either this delusional or so eager to make someone else out to be the bad guy bc you won't feel as bad about being so bitter toward them if you do so. It's laughable really.
    well, this isnt an assumption. I watched a two higher prestige youtubers today ( Kiryu and Vega) and the first thing either of them said, was that they HAD to get it. You could see Kiryu calculating them oney he had to spend to keep in the race. Stop mocking me, i dont think whaling is bad or anything. I feel bad, because they both said "kabam forced our hand". I feel bad at the steps top allies have to take to keep in the prestige race. "mindblowingly stupid", you didnt get it? FInd it hard to believe. Please stop trying.
    So 2 people. I was in Vega's alliance until about a week ago it's not like I'm talking about this from an outside perspective. I honestly am not surprised he got it as he's already basically maxed his prestige, KT on the other hand, I don't feel was smart getting that at all.

    They absolutely are assumptions. You based what 2 people did and assumed that everyone in their situation would do the same regardless of how bad the offer is. Yes, that's mind blowingly stupid. As someone that is actually in that position, I didn't even consider it for a second. I don't think it's me that needs to stop anything
    A sample size of 2 vs sample size of 1. Interesting who is trying to educate who.

    Let us consider precedent. Even the smallest t5cc offers when they were barely leaking out were "lapped up", as was evidenced from the first r3s. T5b before that. And you are trying to tell me that this wont follow that precedent.

    Sorry, but i would have the see evidence beyond your "word" to actually believe it.
    I'm in an alliance with the types of people you're talking about. I think we had 2 maybe 3 people get it, while most people advised against it. I talk to the types people you're talking about regularly. I've actually got first hand experience playing with the people you're talking about based on a couple of YouTube videos. So yeah, I'd say I've probably got a better idea about how many people in the upper ranked alliances are actually buying this stuff than some guy watching YouTube. But you continue to belive whatever it is you like.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★
    I am not unhappy they introduced them because they are inevitable. I just wish they had done so in 7.2 or even 7.1 first and then progressed from there. It was a little jarring to see them pop up suddenly in game as opposed to every other resource.
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  • TheTalentsTheTalents Member Posts: 2,254 ★★★★★
    What purpose would a r4 serve outside of prestige? This whole conversation is ridiculous. Kabam you can keep your r4 materials to yourself. The fact that there's people with 30 plus r3 champions already is wild to me.
  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 4,025 Guardian
    TheTalents said:

    What purpose would a r4 serve outside of prestige? This whole conversation is ridiculous. Kabam you can keep your r4 materials to yourself. The fact that there's people with 30 plus r3 champions already is wild to me.

    Sadly therein lies the issue.
    I think the t5cc situation is quite hurried and there is a massive disparity currently. If you do map7, there are materials galore, if you dont, you are eating scraps. The problem i, when they start making it more attainable akin to t5b, what are those with 25 r3s going to do? So they need to sell them dreams ie r4. opening floodgates on t5cc isnt going to excite those with 30 r3. Content doesnt last that long either, especially now. I think Kabam designed themselves into a corner.
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,598 ★★★★★
    pseudosane said:

    TheTalents said:

    What purpose would a r4 serve outside of prestige? This whole conversation is ridiculous. Kabam you can keep your r4 materials to yourself. The fact that there's people with 30 plus r3 champions already is wild to me.

    Sadly therein lies the issue.
    I think the t5cc situation is quite hurried and there is a massive disparity currently. If you do map7, there are materials galore, if you dont, you are eating scraps. The problem i, when they start making it more attainable akin to t5b, what are those with 25 r3s going to do? So they need to sell them dreams ie r4. opening floodgates on t5cc isnt going to excite those with 30 r3. Content doesnt last that long either, especially now. I think Kabam designed themselves into a corner.
    Yeah, they’ve been continuing this whole increase ranks thing since the game began, but the progression to the next rank has been getting faster and faster, and content is being cleared quicker and quicker as a result, they need to slow things down with the next resource if they continue on this path, offer the first r4s then drip feed it out, but then the issue comes with where the income comes from since other stuff is already too common, it’s quite a predicament reslly
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  • TheTalentsTheTalents Member Posts: 2,254 ★★★★★
    I don't think r4's should be released anytime soon. As an end gamer I have 0 6 stars that are fully maxed out. Before we got r3 6 stars Majority of end game games and Cavalier players had a roster with 5 champs fully maxed out minimum. The same respect needs to be shown for r4 6 star champions. I heard someone had 40 r3 6 stars, if they get bored oh well. We shouldn't rush the game just for the Top 100 players.

    Let's get end game content where r3 6 stars are useful and we need r4 champions to actually make the content easier. IF it comes before that time they won't mean anything and no I absolutely did no pick up that offer of r4 6 stars, for what?!?!??
  • FineDogFineDog Member Posts: 403 ★★★
    Countdown to someone saying they have T3A and T6B in overflow and you just need to manage your resources better and are you can't complain about scarcity until you dutifully explore Master EQ so you can sell the T4B for T5B shards which you can then sell for T6B shards.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Ghostboytjie said:

    @Worknprogress so you didnt take the offer? :) I am asking you because... umm... you know

    I already said multiple times I didn't even consider getting it for a second.
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