Why Relics Aren’t as Bad as You Might Think!!

SkyLord7000

Relics will be fine as long as:

1. One relic too a champ (think this was stated in the roadmap)
2. Stays in the new mode till people are comfortable with it.

The devs are bouncing around with Ideas and it seems like a fun way to mix up the contest. I saw a comment saying “It’s a double edged sword” (unsure who said it). Seems right that it can backfire which is fine as long as it stays to one Game mode. If it doesn’t and people like it, it could be a really fun aspect to the game!

SpideyFunko

I’d be cool with it if it was for draft battles only


if it’s in like alliance war nah get out

RakeYoung

i dont play many other games but Relics will be similar to the gear that can be equipped in Realm of Champions right?

i feel like "gear" has also been a no-no word in MCoC, i dont know about anyone else i'm a bit apprehensive

MattMan

It’s gear. It’s a paywall. It’s bad.

Eventually it will even poison the development of champs added to the game. They’ll introduce a champ who NEEDS gear to be good just to sell the gear.

SkyLord7000

MRoC didn’t work because of how confusing the system was. You had like seven spots to put dozens of different unappealing gear to put in. Endless combinations for minor stat changes.

Optimistically, for Relics in MCoC they will stick to one gear you choose in the champ select screen (like you’re selecting a champ) and the relic gives you {insert champ}’s combo enders and certain specials. Doesn’t seem too complex and maybe it’s not meant for every mode but is definitely applicable to some.

Crcrcrc

I do not want relics to happen, no matter what they'll be a bad thing

ItsDamien

I don't want to be overly dramatic, but depending on how relics are implemented and how they change the game overall might be the push to finally stop playing. My interest this year has been dwindling anyway, and even with all the new content none of it particularly is getting me excited.

I'll see this year out and determine from there whether I continue investing money or even my time into the game, but my I am not optimistic about this one iota.

SkyLord7000

Think of them more as incursion hacks then MRoC gear.

I have faith in the devs to make relic worth getting!

Gamer

Zan0 said:

If relics happen I'm leaving the game

I’m wil said why leaving a game without se it at all that’s a bit overkill try it out it the best u ever do

IKON

There is a lot of information we don't have yet on relics.

Are they champ specific?
Can they be used in any game mode?
How difficult are they to acquire?
I'm sure there are questions I haven't thought of as well.

Still, under a best case scenario (Not champ specifc, only Story or solo competitive, and easy to acquire) I would be indifferent to relics, instead of actively hostile to them.

Remeli

Im loving the idea of reli. Huge potential.

Crcrcrc

SkyLord7000 said:

Think of them more as incursion hacks then MRoC gear.

I have faith in the devs to make relic worth getting!

That's the problem, they'll be worth getting, but that'snot a good thing. It makes the game no longer have linear progression, with hundreds of new ways to customize each champ and I guarantee the best ones will be mainly whale friendly, if not only

Tatteshwar

I'll wait for the reveal, we have no info whatsoever lmao so how is everybody jumping to conclusions ???

Hopefully it's strictly grind based and has some mode restriction, I don't understand it getting hate unless some sort of paywall and **** is involved in its collection and effects so fingers crossed

IKON

Tatteshwar said:

I'll wait for the reveal, we have no info whatsoever lmao so how is everybody jumping to conclusions ???

Hopefully it's strictly grind based and has some mode restriction, I don't understand it getting hate unless some sort of paywall and **** is involved in its collection and effects so fingers crossed

Gear is not a new concept. Most people have played games with gear and it forms your opinion on gear coming to a game without gear.

SkyLord7000

Tatteshwar said:

I'll wait for the reveal, we have no info whatsoever lmao so how is everybody jumping to conclusions ???

Hopefully it's strictly grind based and has some mode restriction, I don't understand it getting hate unless some sort of paywall and **** is involved in its collection and effects so fingers crossed

^This is fair

I totally agree if these were behind a paywall that would lower the quality of the game dramatically. Don’t think that was the intention of the devs though.

Wongo

If you don't think Kabam will release these relics/gears in a unit crystal in the future guaranteeing you a chance of a 3-6* relic/gear you're just naive.

theMercenary

this is why they shouldn’t play with the cores of this game. i’m all down for new content new buffs but adding a gear is the worst possible scenario for this game. maybe even reason to quit.

Mauled

I mean the game model is hugely successful and I dunno why they’d risk changing it. RuneScape did something very similar to their combat system nigh on 10 years ago and it virtually killed the game to the point that 2 years later they reintroduced a legacy version of the game which is more popular than the ‘live’ game.

People who want a different core system play a different game.

SkyLord7000

Wongo said:

If you don't think Kabam will release these relics/gears in a unit crystal in the future guaranteeing you a chance of a 3-6* relic/gear you're just naive.

If they stay to one game mode I don’t think there will be a paid offer for them. Maybe something like incursions artifacts to buy them but not a paid offer. If they get past the one game mode barrier I’d be way more cautious.

SkyLord7000

Zan0 said:

SkyLord7000 said:

Wongo said:

If you don't think Kabam will release these relics/gears in a unit crystal in the future guaranteeing you a chance of a 3-6* relic/gear you're just naive.

If they stay to one game mode I don’t think there will be a paid offer for them. Maybe something like incursions artifacts to buy them but not a paid offer. If they get past the one game mode barrier I’d be way more cautious.

When not if

They said they were looking to test this in one game mode first. Based on the communities love I don’t think it’ll be a main part of the game.

LuciusVorenus

It's good the transparency, and almost all are good news, but relics-gear are a big danger.

I'm a casual player on other (worse) games and gear ruins the game. You can have the character at max rarity and level, but you need max gear... and that's not viable as ftp.

Wongo

SkyLord7000 said:

Wongo said:

If you don't think Kabam will release these relics/gears in a unit crystal in the future guaranteeing you a chance of a 3-6* relic/gear you're just naive.

If they stay to one game mode I don’t think there will be a paid offer for them. Maybe something like incursions artifacts to buy them but not a paid offer. If they get past the one game mode barrier I’d be way more cautious.

Except it wont stay in one game mode for long. Them saying this is because they're trying to figure out a way to ease this in somehow knowing the last time they tried fully announcing it there was a huge uproar in the community.

Do you really think Kabam was coming up with this "revampled" gear system, wasting their time and resources because they aren't planning a paid offer in the future? Lol. Cmon.

SkyLord7000

Wongo said:

SkyLord7000 said:

Wongo said:

If you don't think Kabam will release these relics/gears in a unit crystal in the future guaranteeing you a chance of a 3-6* relic/gear you're just naive.

If they stay to one game mode I don’t think there will be a paid offer for them. Maybe something like incursions artifacts to buy them but not a paid offer. If they get past the one game mode barrier I’d be way more cautious.

Except it wont stay in one game mode for long. Them saying this is because they're trying to figure out a way to ease this in somehow knowing the last time they tried fully announcing it there was a huge uproar in the community.

Do you really think Kabam was coming up with this "revampled" gear system, wasting their time and resources because they aren't planning a paid offer in the future? Lol. Cmon.

I think there are other ways to make money with the new solo competitive game mode then to go to the extent of what the forums are thinking. But who knows maybe they just want us to sell are souls. I was just looking forward to a new interesting mechanic in the game.

DNA3000

Mauled said:

I mean the game model is hugely successful and I dunno why they’d risk changing it. RuneScape did something very similar to their combat system nigh on 10 years ago and it virtually killed the game to the point that 2 years later they reintroduced a legacy version of the game which is more popular than the ‘live’ game.

People who want a different core system play a different game.

This is the million dollar question. And the answer is that the playerbase is divided on post 6* advancement. Some players have no problem with introducing 7* champions and rebooting roster progress again. Some would rather have a system that builds upon 6* champs. Some would rather not even do anything at all, and just have roster progress end (in the upward direction) with 6* r5.

First things first. The last one is impossible. Period end of story, if that's a deal breaker for you, might as well quit now. The game will always have at least one high end pursuit goal. Progress ends when the dev team moves on to something else and puts the game in maintenance mode to die a slow death.

Both of the actual post 6* progress options have problems. Rebooting progress with 7* champs can cause a feeling that all prior investment has been lost, which weakens engagement in the game. Of course, *all* progress hasn't been lost because even with 6* champs it was obviously the players with the largest and most powerful 5* rosters that were in the best position to build 6* rosters, but this was still an issue. In my opinion, not as big an issue as some made it out to be, but it is true that this disengagement can get worse over time if it happens repeatedly.

Building on 6* champs also has problems, namely it can create a sense among newer players that progression is hopeless, because there is no way to even begin to approach the top players in the game. I'm not talking about the top 1% of 1% of mega whales with the 4 million rating roster, I'm talking about even players like me with the 2.4 million roster. The game can't accelerate new players getting 6* champs faster to accelerate them towards veterans like me, because that will also accelerate me. The less approachable the game is, the more long term damage you do to the playerbase. Without a constant influx of new players replacing older players and keeping things fresh, the game would once again die a slow death.

In my opinion, Relics are a transition system. It is not going to be as powerful as a new rarity will be. It doesn't replace whatever has to come next. But it can squeeze more life out of 6* champions, so the inevitable day when the devs will have to confront the same decision they had with 6* champs gets pushed out a little longer, and progression is allowed to continue upward for a little longer before something else comes along to upset the apple cart again.

Demonzfyre

MikeHock said:

There was talk about “gears” a few months before 12.0 and the playerbase was very much against it.

The problem with that is that was like 5 years ago. We didn't have or barely had/saw 5*'s at that point. There was still tons of room for roster progression. We did NEED any gearing system back there because we knew 5*'s were coming.

We don't really know if 7*'s will ever be introduced but seeing as 6*'s have been in the contest for roughly 3 years and we can just now take them to R3 recently. Kabam has to look at ways of roster progression that may not include 7*'s. Gear or Relics are that way to keep growing a roster without adding in star rarities.

DNA3000

MikeHock said:

There was talk about “gears” a few months before 12.0 and the playerbase was very much against it.

The context of that was that we had just seen gear implemented in the Chinese version of the game, and people were assuming that the mechanics of that system, which were extremely grindy, would translate from an Asian game (where such things are not just tolerated but expected) to a Western system, which it wouldn't. And that was in a blind context, discussed in the vacuum of "gear or no gear." Today, it isn't about gear or no gear. It is gear or 7*. I'm pretty sure that choice would generate a different response than the old one.

World Eater

Demonzfyre said:

MikeHock said:

There was talk about “gears” a few months before 12.0 and the playerbase was very much against it.

The problem with that is that was like 5 years ago. We didn't have or barely had/saw 5*'s at that point. There was still tons of room for roster progression. We did NEED any gearing system back there because we knew 5*'s were coming.

We don't really know if 7*'s will ever be introduced but seeing as 6*'s have been in the contest for roughly 3 years and we can just now take them to R3 recently. Kabam has to look at ways of roster progression that may not include 7*'s. Gear or Relics are that way to keep growing a roster without adding in star rarities.

Well it didn’t work out too well for injustice and that’s why I stopped playing that game. So far most of the feedback on relics/gear is the same as it was in 2016-2017.