It’ll be 9 figures anyway. People are going to be aiming extra high because no one knows what to expect. Shang chi is also an excellent champ people are going to want to get.
Considering 100mil can be easily reached by the people that actually stand a chance, it’s going to be 150mil at least. I don’t even think 200mil is outside the realms of possibility.
Maybe Shang chi won’t quite hit 200mil, but if a new prestige monster comes out, I think that’s the ceiling we’ll see
The trouble with estimating it is that a lot of the accounts that might go for top 100 haven’t been seriously grinding the 5* featured for a while since they’ve moved to 6*s. So the features 5* scores don’t come close to reflecting the score they could put up
That’s what I’m thinking as well. If it were me on a serious grind I would probably put 9 Odins in just so I don’t miss. There is a point where you are Odin committed.
Bro you could probably spend 9 odins on cavs and get someone equally as good if not better, cavs or july 4th offers
That's what I was thinking. For that amount, you could pull him from the Crystals. Lol.
Pep100 begs to differ. He went around 1000 dollars in on the Cull Obsidian cavs and didn't even get him as a five star. Cavs, even now, suck
I’m gonna put my bid in at 145 million for Shang-Chi. I’m certainly not going to go for him. On any given arena, I can only grind all day for two of the three days which wouldn’t be anywhere near enough without constant refreshing. Also, I hate grinding arena.
I have a T5CC and I could possibly pick him up. But don’t know if I can commit 3 days of my life to a champ. 150m is nice, but I do think it will go much higher. It’s also the first arena so people wouldn’t want to miss.
I have a skill t5cc for him and soon a science one for Mister Negative, but I'm going for the next featured six star over the arena.
I looked up the highest in arena and cow was at 351 mil with a 1656 streak. Now basically just do the math and figure out how many points a 6* gets and how many refreshes he used to get to that streak.
Uh, how the hell did he manage that? Even assuming that one round takes 3 minutes to get done, that's 4968 minutes or 82.8 hours which is 3.45 days. Was this one of the week long arenas then? Also, my math may be off, I'm not @DNA3000
How many points do you think he will go for? Also, how many points are you willing to put up? How many Odins are you willing to commit.
Just want to get a gauge on what people think?
Me personally, I think 6* featured arena will go 3x as high as normal arenas , but I wouldn’t commit more than 2 Odins.
I'd just save shards for the featured honestly. I rly want him as a 5 or 6 star but I know I have no chance in the arena. Might as well try my luck elsewhere. That said, I still recommend doing it if u rly want him as well, but don't put all ur eggs in one basket
Actually this is a better idea for someone who does not want to grind in the arena, or does not have that many champs to hit the mark. Better to save your units from the refresh and put them in those special crystals that have a chance of the hero champion.
I’m gonna put my bid in at 145 million for Shang-Chi. I’m certainly not going to go for him. On any given arena, I can only grind all day for two of the three days which wouldn’t be anywhere near enough without constant refreshing. Also, I hate grinding arena.
I have a T5CC and I could possibly pick him up. But don’t know if I can commit 3 days of my life to a champ. 150m is nice, but I do think it will go much higher. It’s also the first arena so people wouldn’t want to miss.
I have a skill t5cc for him and soon a science one for Mister Negative, but I'm going for the next featured six star over the arena.
It’ll be 9 figures anyway. People are going to be aiming extra high because no one knows what to expect. Shang chi is also an excellent champ people are going to want to get.
Considering 100mil can be easily reached by the people that actually stand a chance, it’s going to be 150mil at least. I don’t even think 200mil is outside the realms of possibility.
Maybe Shang chi won’t quite hit 200mil, but if a new prestige monster comes out, I think that’s the ceiling we’ll see
The trouble with estimating it is that a lot of the accounts that might go for top 100 haven’t been seriously grinding the 5* featured for a while since they’ve moved to 6*s. So the features 5* scores don’t come close to reflecting the score they could put up
That’s what I’m thinking as well. If it were me on a serious grind I would probably put 9 Odins in just so I don’t miss. There is a point where you are Odin committed.
Bro you could probably spend 9 odins on cavs and get someone equally as good if not better, cavs or july 4th offers
That's what I was thinking. For that amount, you could pull him from the Crystals. Lol.
Pep100 begs to differ. He went around 1000 dollars in on the Cull Obsidian cavs and didn't even get him as a five star. Cavs, even now, suck
Those were old drop rates. Current ones are already buffed. Still no guarantee though.
I looked up the highest in arena and cow was at 351 mil with a 1656 streak. Now basically just do the math and figure out how many points a 6* gets and how many refreshes he used to get to that streak.
Uh, how the hell did he manage that? Even assuming that one round takes 3 minutes to get done, that's 4968 minutes or 82.8 hours which is 3.45 days. Was this one of the week long arenas then? Also, my math may be off, I'm not @DNA3000
With suicide masteries, I normally finish one round in less than 2.5mins. So it's still possible.
It will be helpful to translate it to number of rounds to target (how many rounds is 150m points)?
Assume 250k point per series for the R3, you will need 600 rounds. If you don’t refresh, more rounds needed as the points would be less for the R1/2 6* and the 5*.
I am having difficulty clocking 250 rounds over 3 days. So, I'll just hope to get 4-Star from milestones.
I looked up the highest in arena and cow was at 351 mil with a 1656 streak. Now basically just do the math and figure out how many points a 6* gets and how many refreshes he used to get to that streak.
Uh, how the hell did he manage that? Even assuming that one round takes 3 minutes to get done, that's 4968 minutes or 82.8 hours which is 3.45 days. Was this one of the week long arenas then? Also, my math may be off, I'm not @DNA3000
With suicide masteries, I normally finish one round in less than 2.5mins. So it's still possible.
Ah, I forgot about Suicides, I usually don't run them. Even at 2 minutes, it's still 2.3 days of grinding. Possible, but mindnumbingly terrifying.
I’m gonna put my bid in at 145 million for Shang-Chi. I’m certainly not going to go for him. On any given arena, I can only grind all day for two of the three days which wouldn’t be anywhere near enough without constant refreshing. Also, I hate grinding arena.
I have a T5CC and I could possibly pick him up. But don’t know if I can commit 3 days of my life to a champ. 150m is nice, but I do think it will go much higher. It’s also the first arena so people wouldn’t want to miss.
I have a skill t5cc for him and soon a science one for Mister Negative, but I'm going for the next featured six star over the arena.
I’ve just been reading the thread about arena cutoffs for Shang Chi, where 150-200M cutoffs are being speculated as conservative estimates.
I’m looking at the Shang Chi footage I’ve watched, and thinking about my 12 R3 champs that cover a lot of ground.
What questions in the game does Shang Chi answer that haven’t already be answered by other champs?
Yes, he can access some very high damage, but it takes quite a few specific combos and quite a few hits, and a few basic nodes could make those combos hard to achieve.
CGR can access the same or better damage sooner.
Is he just the new shiny champ, or the best of a bad bunch this year, or is he really an account changing champ for established rosters?
Genuine question, wondering if I’m missing something.
It's the "New Champ, Much Wow" effect brought on by YouTubers simping. I will wait grading Shang-Chi myself when the effect has passed. He does look impressive though. The year isn't over yet, so him being the best cannot be said for certain. As for the Acc changing part, I dunno. He's highly skill based so could take practice to use fully
I’m gonna put my bid in at 145 million for Shang-Chi. I’m certainly not going to go for him. On any given arena, I can only grind all day for two of the three days which wouldn’t be anywhere near enough without constant refreshing. Also, I hate grinding arena.
I have a T5CC and I could possibly pick him up. But don’t know if I can commit 3 days of my life to a champ. 150m is nice, but I do think it will go much higher. It’s also the first arena so people wouldn’t want to miss.
I have a skill t5cc for him and soon a science one for Mister Negative, but I'm going for the next featured six star over the arena.
Will he be available in the next featured?
I believe so. He will be in the next featured coming in 50 days
He's a good skill champ that can counter a lot of things but isn't the best at anything. He's like a jack of all trades, master of none.
He'll most probably be an extremely good champion for a progressing player since he packs a lot in his kit but for endgame players with niche counters to almost anything, he won't be that useful is what I'm guessing.
I’ve just been reading the thread about arena cutoffs for Shang Chi, where 150-200M cutoffs are being speculated as conservative estimates.
I’m looking at the Shang Chi footage I’ve watched, and thinking about my 12 R3 champs that cover a lot of ground.
What questions in the game does Shang Chi answer that haven’t already be answered by other champs?
Yes, he can access some very high damage, but it takes quite a few specific combos and quite a few hits, and a few basic nodes could make those combos hard to achieve.
CGR can access the same or better damage sooner.
Is he just the new shiny champ, or the best of a bad bunch this year, or is he really an account changing champ for established rosters?
Genuine question, wondering if I’m missing something.
The arenas are bloated because he might be good or necessary for something, and because 'my grinder account can get another champ for grinding'. Those two things will keep the whales churning. Sadly, Shang-Chi looks good, too, so the cutoffs and mercs will probably be running rampant.
It's the first 6* Arena, and it just so happens to be for the best champion released in 2021, so far. Admittedly that's a pretty low bar, but yeah it does have an effect.
I think the estimates are less about Shang-Chi, and more a result of the uncertainty over turnout for the new arenas. It really is a **** shoot at this point, and I'll be incredibly impressed if someone makes an accurate cutoff estimate based on the info we have now.
I'm not sure if the first run will be higher or lower than the second at this point. A lot of people are gonna be waiting for the second go just because of the uncertainty.
We can't even get a good grasp on the 5* because we're unsure of the turnout, and whether or not the increased numbers will make up for it.
I looked up the highest in arena and cow was at 351 mil with a 1656 streak. Now basically just do the math and figure out how many points a 6* gets and how many refreshes he used to get to that streak.
Uh, how the hell did he manage that? Even assuming that one round takes 3 minutes to get done, that's 4968 minutes or 82.8 hours which is 3.45 days. Was this one of the week long arenas then? Also, my math may be off, I'm not @DNA3000
With suicide masteries, I normally finish one round in less than 2.5mins. So it's still possible.
Ah, I forgot about Suicides, I usually don't run them. Even at 2 minutes, it's still 2.3 days of grinding. Possible, but mindnumbingly terrifying.
It can be even faster than that, because refreshes. Not even Cow had enough champs to do 1656 rounds in three days, he's refreshing his top team. If you're smart, you don't refresh your highest team, you refresh your fastest team. Two minutes per round is a pretty good average for full suicides when going through your entire roster, but if you're refreshing your fastest team, the one that has the best quick kill burst damage, you could (back then) average 90 seconds or less.
At 90 seconds per round, 1656 is about 14 hours per day for three days, which is a lot more understandable of a grind.
I looked up the highest in arena and cow was at 351 mil with a 1656 streak. Now basically just do the math and figure out how many points a 6* gets and how many refreshes he used to get to that streak.
Uh, how the hell did he manage that? Even assuming that one round takes 3 minutes to get done, that's 4968 minutes or 82.8 hours which is 3.45 days. Was this one of the week long arenas then? Also, my math may be off, I'm not @DNA3000
With suicide masteries, I normally finish one round in less than 2.5mins. So it's still possible.
Ah, I forgot about Suicides, I usually don't run them. Even at 2 minutes, it's still 2.3 days of grinding. Possible, but mindnumbingly terrifying.
It can be even faster than that, because refreshes. Not even Cow had enough champs to do 1656 rounds in three days, he's refreshing his top team. If you're smart, you don't refresh your highest team, you refresh your fastest team. Two minutes per round is a pretty good average for full suicides when going through your entire roster, but if you're refreshing your fastest team, the one that has the best quick kill burst damage, you could (back then) average 90 seconds or less.
At 90 seconds per round, 1656 is about 14 hours per day for three days, which is a lot more understandable of a grind.
I’m not sure if it’s safe to assume these people are hitting this score by just grinding out arena with their normal team, or doing refreshes.
I been doing some thinking about arena and I think from a community standpoint there are some things that haven’t changed. Time and whales.
We are looking at really 69 spots not 100. So from 31st to 100th is where most of us will compete. After really thinking about it , I think we can expect cutoffs around 137-150 depending on the champ. I’m assuming that most players that can compete in this arena can get about 70-80 mil without using units. I’m assuming that most players are willing to use about 9-12k units that’s an additional 36m-48m points on top of the 80. There are 6* boost which I have accounted for in the actual cutoff. But you can’t escape time. I’m a lot more optimistic now.
I looked up the highest in arena and cow was at 351 mil with a 1656 streak. Now basically just do the math and figure out how many points a 6* gets and how many refreshes he used to get to that streak.
Uh, how the hell did he manage that? Even assuming that one round takes 3 minutes to get done, that's 4968 minutes or 82.8 hours which is 3.45 days. Was this one of the week long arenas then? Also, my math may be off, I'm not @DNA3000
With suicide masteries, I normally finish one round in less than 2.5mins. So it's still possible.
Ah, I forgot about Suicides, I usually don't run them. Even at 2 minutes, it's still 2.3 days of grinding. Possible, but mindnumbingly terrifying.
It can be even faster than that, because refreshes. Not even Cow had enough champs to do 1656 rounds in three days, he's refreshing his top team. If you're smart, you don't refresh your highest team, you refresh your fastest team. Two minutes per round is a pretty good average for full suicides when going through your entire roster, but if you're refreshing your fastest team, the one that has the best quick kill burst damage, you could (back then) average 90 seconds or less.
At 90 seconds per round, 1656 is about 14 hours per day for three days, which is a lot more understandable of a grind.
Refreshes with units won't change the total grinding time, now would it? He based it off of the round durations only. Refreshing just means you hit the mark earlier than you would if you just waited for the natural cooldown, the latter of which won't really be ideal in a high stakes grind.
2.5 mins per round is a conservative value on my part. 90 secs is a more realistic number especially when boosting and, if refreshing with units, using mostly the highest damage output champs in a stacked roster.
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Cavs, even now, suck
Also, my math may be off, I'm not @DNA3000
Actually this is a better idea for someone who does not want to grind in the arena, or does not have that many champs to hit the mark. Better to save your units from the refresh and put them in those special crystals that have a chance of the hero champion.
That’s what I hate about this change
I’m looking at the Shang Chi footage I’ve watched, and thinking about my 12 R3 champs that cover a lot of ground.
What questions in the game does Shang Chi answer that haven’t already be answered by other champs?
Yes, he can access some very high damage, but it takes quite a few specific combos and quite a few hits, and a few basic nodes could make those combos hard to achieve.
CGR can access the same or better damage sooner.
Is he just the new shiny champ, or the best of a bad bunch this year, or is he really an account changing champ for established rosters?
Genuine question, wondering if I’m missing something.
I will wait grading Shang-Chi myself when the effect has passed.
He does look impressive though.
The year isn't over yet, so him being the best cannot be said for certain.
As for the Acc changing part, I dunno. He's highly skill based so could take practice to use fully
He'll most probably be an extremely good champion for a progressing player since he packs a lot in his kit but for endgame players with niche counters to almost anything, he won't be that useful is what I'm guessing.
6* CGR level damage from the 3*. He may not be necessary but the 6* is going to be hitting like 4 million damage sp2s
There is nothing more annoying that current system where 12m is last milestones and you need to do 23m for 1-5% and 50m for a champ
I think the estimates are less about Shang-Chi, and more a result of the uncertainty over turnout for the new arenas. It really is a **** shoot at this point, and I'll be incredibly impressed if someone makes an accurate cutoff estimate based on the info we have now.
We can't even get a good grasp on the 5* because we're unsure of the turnout, and whether or not the increased numbers will make up for it.
Add the fact it will be the first 6* arena?
That's quite the concoction. 😊
I think new uses will be found for ShangChi over time.
At 90 seconds per round, 1656 is about 14 hours per day for three days, which is a lot more understandable of a grind.
I’m not sure if it’s safe to assume these people are hitting this score by just grinding out arena with their normal team, or doing refreshes.
We are looking at really 69 spots not 100. So from 31st to 100th is where most of us will compete. After really thinking about it , I think we can expect cutoffs around 137-150 depending on the champ. I’m assuming that most players that can compete in this arena can get about 70-80 mil without using units. I’m assuming that most players are willing to use about 9-12k units that’s an additional 36m-48m points on top of the 80. There are 6* boost which I have accounted for in the actual cutoff. But you can’t escape time. I’m a lot more optimistic now.
2.5 mins per round is a conservative value on my part. 90 secs is a more realistic number especially when boosting and, if refreshing with units, using mostly the highest damage output champs in a stacked roster.