what I don't understand

So, there was a bug with the new training mode, okay, bugs happen. But this seemed to benefit players, so the entire game got shut down to fix it.. Understandable.

But, there's still issues with incursions and persistent charge bugs.

What I don't understand is that Kabam can take the game offline if there's an "unfair advantage" due to a bug, but if it affects the player negatively they just take their sweet time in fixing it. Fury is still broken, where he doesn't start in decoy mode, champion still gains fury without cap. Why aren't these worthy of shutting the game down?

Is it just money, you only care when it affects your coffers? Or just a lack of transparency in how you go about fixing problems?

It's also extremely off-putting to be threatened for something most players didn't do, as soon we boot into the game after the forced update.
I, for one, was thinking highly about spending for 4th of July, but now I'm putting a full freeze against this game. You don't deserve our time or money with childish moves like this.

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BitterSteel

You don’t think Kabam are trying to fix the persistent charge bug? You don’t think these monthly attempts to fix it are them actually trying?

If kabam could shut the game down and fix the persistent charge bug they definitely would.

Not to mention there’s lots of examples of bugs benefitting players that don’t get fixed. People just want to ignore them.

LORDSPOOKY66

WHy are people thinking they are being threatened? If you exploited you can be banned its against tos. If you didnt exploit your safe

LeNoirFaineant

Any bug that is game breaking will get priority regardless of who the players feel it benefits. AA can still avoid astral evade as he has for years. It's not game breaking. Defenders gaining no power affects every fight in all game modes.

Daddrieda

You don’t think Kabam are trying to fix the persistent charge bug? You don’t think these monthly attempts to fix it are them actually trying?

If kabam could shut the game down and fix the persistent charge bug they definitely would.

Not to mention there’s lots of examples of bugs benefitting players that don’t get fixed. People just want to ignore them.

It’s not about that. It’s just that they fixed it so quick when the game noticed the bug on the training ground mode. So the real question why didn’t the game team use the same attitude when the mentioned bug(s) happened? (nick fury, incursion and so on)

So clearly they have the option to fix the issue ASAP, but that’s only when it benefit us. We losing the wars and so on because of the Nick fury bug don’t benefit us so it benefit kabam as it create another revenue because of the recourses. Same with incursions.

We just don’t really understand why this attitude is continued over and over again. They have the teams to fix this ASAP, but choose not to.

MrInsanity

Bruh if they took the game down for the persistent charge bug it would be down for a week considering how hard it is to fix it

HollowAizen

Any bug that is game breaking will get priority regardless of who the players feel it benefits. AA can still avoid astral evade as he has for years. It's not game breaking. Defenders gaining no power affects every fight in all game modes.

I know it's your example to defend the issue, but there are more characters that beat astral evade, Kabam did design that with the timing involved for people to bypass it

Daddrieda

Bruh if they took the game down for the persistent charge bug it would be down for a week considering how hard it is to fix it

No. Hours. Because they already have worked on the fix codes behind the scenes. They aren’t that crazy to shut the game down for weeks when they can be smart to fix the bug behind the scene and then implement that code to the update.

BitterSteel

You don’t think Kabam are trying to fix the persistent charge bug? You don’t think these monthly attempts to fix it are them actually trying?

If kabam could shut the game down and fix the persistent charge bug they definitely would.

Not to mention there’s lots of examples of bugs benefitting players that don’t get fixed. People just want to ignore them.
It’s not about that. It’s just that they fixed it so quick when the game noticed the bug on the training ground mode. So the real question why didn’t the game team use the same attitude when the mentioned bug(s) happened? (nick fury, incursion and so on)

So clearly they have the option to fix the issue ASAP, but that’s only when it benefit us. We losing the wars and so on because of the Nick fury bug don’t benefit us so it benefit kabam as it create another revenue because of the recourses. Same with incursions.

We just don’t really understand why this attitude is continued over and over again. They have the teams to fix this ASAP, but choose not to.

You’re talking like there’s one complexity level- bug. It’s not as simple as that.

In this case, we had one new specific mode that was introduced and it caused the bug. By removing that mode, the bug could not be caused.

What do you expect them to do for persistent charges? Remove any champion with the ability? It doesn’t work like that.

This persistent charge bug is incredibly complex, that’s why it’s still here. There’s at least hundreds of thousands of lines of code for this game, and any one of them could interact oddly with another. This bug is clearly rooted deep in the code which is why it’s not as easy to fix.

HollowAizen

WHy are people thinking they are being threatened? If you exploited you can be banned its against tos. If you didnt exploit your safe

The wording of the direct in game message comes off as extremely hostile towards the playerbase. I get that they are trying to convey the emotion of his they feel towards the exploit, but it is threatening in conveyance.

BitterSteel

Any bug that is game breaking will get priority regardless of who the players feel it benefits. AA can still avoid astral evade as he has for years. It's not game breaking. Defenders gaining no power affects every fight in all game modes.
I know it's your example to defend the issue, but there are more characters that beat astral evade, Kabam did design that with the timing involved for people to bypass it

What about abyss Havok, or moleman true accuracy bug, or starburst not doing damage to players. All bugs that took months to fix, or are still here.

Furious_Fighter1

They tried to fix the bug innlast update as far as I remember and that fix was the reason of Alliance Quest being bugged for which they got even more hate, they need some time to fix that bug, it cant be done in hours. Had that been the case, it would already have been fixed.

BitterSteel

WHy are people thinking they are being threatened? If you exploited you can be banned its against tos. If you didnt exploit your safe
The wording of the direct in game message comes off as extremely hostile towards the playerbase. I get that they are trying to convey the emotion of his they feel towards the exploit, but it is threatening in conveyance.

They’re only “threatening” (if you can call it that) people who are planning on exploit it.

If you weren’t trying to exploit it you will be absolutely fine.

LeNoirFaineant

Any bug that is game breaking will get priority regardless of who the players feel it benefits. AA can still avoid astral evade as he has for years. It's not game breaking. Defenders gaining no power affects every fight in all game modes.
I know it's your example to defend the issue, but there are more characters that beat astral evade, Kabam did design that with the timing involved for people to bypass it

No, they confirmed it was a bug ages ago.

Aleor

I guess it's because people don't really play incursions. Usually when there is some big community reaction, they do something. Think about hood "buff" for example. Also when people react, we usually see some moderate yet sweet compensation

BitterSteel

Any bug that is game breaking will get priority regardless of who the players feel it benefits. AA can still avoid astral evade as he has for years. It's not game breaking. Defenders gaining no power affects every fight in all game modes.
I know it's your example to defend the issue, but there are more characters that beat astral evade, Kabam did design that with the timing involved for people to bypass it
What about abyss Havok, or moleman true accuracy bug, or starburst not doing damage to players. All bugs that took months to fix, or are still here.

Still haven’t seen a good explanation for this, if Kabam love to snuff out bugs that help the player.

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Patchie93

So for them to "fix" incursion bug like they fixed this quickly you'd what? Want them remove the game mode since that's the problem?
Persistent charge bug? Oh lets just remove all Persistent charge abilities or champs take you're pick. (This is also easy to see and prevent by taking a second to make sure the persistent charge symbol is there. If not restart you're game till it is)

The fact you don't understand how hard coding is makes you come off as an ignorant and arrogant human being. This game has 100s of champs with probably millions of interactions that any new mode/Champ could potentially cause a new bug to pop up in old code.

Also player benefitting bugs that lasted a long time
Drax vs astral evade
AA stunning stun immune bosses
Multiple AoL bugs
Havok and CMM
She-hulk 4 hit into heavy lasted years
Many more that I'm sure exist but can't recall.

BitterSteel

You don’t think Kabam are trying to fix the persistent charge bug? You don’t think these monthly attempts to fix it are them actually trying?

If kabam could shut the game down and fix the persistent charge bug they definitely would.

Not to mention there’s lots of examples of bugs benefitting players that don’t get fixed. People just want to ignore them.
I don't disagree with you. I haven't noticed any pro player bugs in my personal experience (nor cons, cept for omegas spore damage that may be fixed by now) but could you give me an example or two of some pro player bugs I could be made aware of?

I’ve mentioned a few in this thread but here they are.

Havok not detonating his plasmas in abyss was left up for months, Kabam knew about it, videos were made on it. Wasn’t fixed right away

Moleman true accuracy still applied when in frenzy. Kabam knew about it for months, wasn’t fixed right away.

Star burst didn’t do damage to people. It was my Aq path for a good while. Wasn’t fixed right away.

Tigra medium attack bypasses astral evade. Same story.

Kabam know about these bugs, they are either fixing them now, or not. But the fact is they aren’t fixed right away. That right there is proof that not all player bugs are fixed just because they help us.

Demonzfyre

So, there was a bug with the new training mode, okay, bugs happen. But this seemed to benefit players, so the entire game got shut down to fix it.. Understandable.

But, there's still issues with incursions and persistent charge bugs.

What I don't understand is that Kabam can take the game offline if there's an "unfair advantage" due to a bug, but if it affects the player negatively they just take their sweet time in fixing it. Fury is still broken, where he doesn't start in decoy mode, champion still gains fury without cap. Why aren't these worthy of shutting the game down?

Is it just money, you only care when it affects your coffers? Or just a lack of transparency in how you go about fixing problems?

It's also extremely off-putting to be threatened for something most players didn't do, as soon we boot into the game after the forced update.
I, for one, was thinking highly about spending for 4th of July, but now I'm putting a full freeze against this game. You don't deserve our time or money with childish moves like this.

It was a game mode that caused the bug. That's easy to take away. They didn't fix the bug.

Kabam didn't threaten you. If you've looked at the ToS you'd see the same message in there.

So your solution to their "childish behavior" is to, in turn, act like a child as well by threatening to not spend? Hypocrite much?

If there weren't people who purposely try and exploit this game when something like this happens, we wouldn't need messages like the one we got. Why not direct your anger to those who continuously try and cheat and exploit vs the company trying to prevent it. This community gets more and more ridiculous every day. Y'all need thicker skin.

Demonzfyre

You don’t think Kabam are trying to fix the persistent charge bug? You don’t think these monthly attempts to fix it are them actually trying?

If kabam could shut the game down and fix the persistent charge bug they definitely would.

Not to mention there’s lots of examples of bugs benefitting players that don’t get fixed. People just want to ignore them.
It’s not about that. It’s just that they fixed it so quick when the game noticed the bug on the training ground mode. So the real question why didn’t the game team use the same attitude when the mentioned bug(s) happened? (nick fury, incursion and so on)

So clearly they have the option to fix the issue ASAP, but that’s only when it benefit us. We losing the wars and so on because of the Nick fury bug don’t benefit us so it benefit kabam as it create another revenue because of the recourses. Same with incursions.

We just don’t really understand why this attitude is continued over and over again. They have the teams to fix this ASAP, but choose not to.

Again, they haven't fixed anything. They removed the game mode.

GroundedWisdom

I wish that whole conspiracy theory would die.

Deacon

first i've even heard of training mode ..it's for new players i gather?

Demonzfyre

first i've even heard of training mode ..it's for new players i gather?

Just came out today. I'd assume it's for new players as it was about learning to parry.

ThēMandalorian

first i've even heard of training mode ..it's for new players i gather?
Just came out today. I'd assume it's for new players as it was about learning to parry.

It is for new players, but everyone had O.G. Captain America yell at us to get in there when we went to fights. So many people tried it and that's why the bug was found quickly and the game mode was removed along with emergency maintenance.

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Demonzfyre

first i've even heard of training mode ..it's for new players i gather?
Just came out today. I'd assume it's for new players as it was about learning to parry.
It is for new players, but everyone had O.G. Captain America yell at us to get in there when we went to fights. So many people tried it and that's why the bug was found quickly and the game mode was removed along with emergency maintenance.

Yes it's available to anyone but it's meant to help new players. I'm well aware of what happened today.

Demonzfyre

first i've even heard of training mode ..it's for new players i gather?
Just came out today. I'd assume it's for new players as it was about learning to parry.
You can't learn to parry if parry doesn't work half the time

I wouldn't know. It works just fine for me.

Pulyaman

So for them to "fix" incursion bug like they fixed this quickly you'd what? Want them remove the game mode since that's the problem?
Persistent charge bug? Oh lets just remove all Persistent charge abilities or champs take you're pick. (This is also easy to see and prevent by taking a second to make sure the persistent charge symbol is there. If not restart you're game till it is)

The fact you don't understand how hard coding is makes you come off as an ignorant and arrogant human being. This game has 100s of champs with probably millions of interactions that any new mode/Champ could potentially cause a new bug to pop up in old code.

Also player benefitting bugs that lasted a long time
Drax vs astral evade
AA stunning stun immune bosses
Multiple AoL bugs
Havok and CMM
She-hulk 4 hit into heavy lasted years
Many more that I'm sure exist but can't recall.

Well, I agree with everything you said except,
1) Drax vs astral evade was never acknowledged as being bugged or was even changed. Kabam insisted that they changed nothing, but everyone with a working set of eyes could see that Drax was changed.
2) AA stunning stun immune bosses was acknowledged as working as intended by Kabam Wolfe. It was then changed suddenly and Kabam said it was a bug.
3) I know about Havok, no idea what you mean by CMM.
4) She-hulk 4 hit heavy was not even know till she was updated. I think people forget how bad she hulk was before her update.
You also forgot the MS and BWCV regen interaction that was fixed after people used it to clear champion boss easily.

I am also don't think Kabam only fixes bugs that benefit players because that is a ridiculous notion. Any sort of bugs in game is unacceptable. But, to say that Kabam have made some sketchy decisions with regards to some interactions.

danielmath

how long was starburst and lazarus bugged for? it was MONTHS that those nodes didn't work in aq, incursions, etc. Back in the day, UC in lab didn't have his unstoppable for like what, 6 months? And the idea that AA should have been able to stun a stun immune (what the hell? IMMUNE...) is absurd even if one person one time said something completely insane.