Was ghost nerfed Daredevil

Why can't ghost phase dare devil, I was in arena and found this out and I asked my alliance and they told me it's no bug it's meant to be and I looked back in the forums and apparently it was changed because dd had enhanced awareness or something but that doesn't make sense she can phase through anything that's the point it's not about awareness, next they'll say other characters can miss because there aware

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TheLegionMaster

Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.

KindaGomans3

Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.

That doesn't make sense

KindaGomans3

It's not the same thing as not being able to see invisible woman but hear her it's about SHE CAN PHASE THROUGH SOLID OBJECTS

TheLegionMaster

Also, just because they are “aware” doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible. In essence, true strike is supposed to be your champion anticipating your opponents moves. The same goes for whatever awareness mechanic you’re talking about. Daredevil has radar senses, so he can make out Ghosts form, even though she’s phasing. This allows him to hit characters such as Invisible Woman, Hood, and yes, even Ghost.

Addyos

Kabam’s game, Kabam’s rules.

Hoitado

Why is this a poll?

BitterSteel

Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.
That doesn't make sense

Does Human torch being so hot that he can hit ghost phasing make sense?

Does Nick fury throwing some equipment at ghost mean it makes sense for him to avoid missing?

Does stealth spidey putting foam on ghost make sense that it means he can hit her?

This game requires some suspension of disbelief, if you take everything logically and scientifically you just can’t play it without seeing inconsistencies. How can hulk hit Hawkeye without him dying? How can black widow hit Korg without breaking her hands?

Hammerbro_64

I mean it’s a fair point, even if you know “where” something is doesn’t mean you should be able to touch it if it is intangible, but its just another thing to be aware of as a Ghostie. By lore logic it doesn’t make sense but eh maybe iso-8 enhanced his abilities to reach through quantum space 🥴

manveerthereal

she gets hit by him for the same reason why prof x can hit her they bypass miss

Dr_Z01dberg

It's not the same thing as not being able to see invisible woman but hear her it's about SHE CAN PHASE THROUGH SOLID OBJECTS

It makes the same sense as Dormammu who literally eats worlds for a snack can be easily defeated by a monkey with a small gun...

The moral of the story is that Game balance and marvel lore doesn’t always match up so if your worried about not being able to phase against DDHK then use someone else for that fight

Dr_Z01dberg

Why is this a poll?

Because OP likes to know the scale of how wrong he is 😉

Sungj

The same game laws that allows daredevil to fight and win against thanos are the same laws that allow him to bypass ghost's miss

KindaGomans3

Also, just because they are “aware” doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible. In essence, true strike is supposed to be your champion anticipating your opponents moves. The same goes for whatever awareness mechanic you’re talking about. Daredevil has radar senses, so he can make out Ghosts form, even though she’s phasing. This allows him to hit characters such as Invisible Woman, Hood, and yes, even Ghost.

Lol that doesn't make sense those character can go invisible

Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.
That doesn't make sense
Does Human torch being so hot that he can hit ghost phasing make sense?

Does Nick fury throwing some equipment at ghost mean it makes sense for him to avoid missing?

Does stealth spidey putting foam on ghost make sense that it means he can hit her?

This game requires some suspension of disbelief, if you take everything logically and scientifically you just can’t play it without seeing inconsistencies. How can hulk hit Hawkeye without him dying? How can black widow hit Korg without breaking her hands?

It makes sense because of there abilities this makes no sense especially given the line of text to explain it

KindaGomans3

TitoBandito187

Several threads on this one already. It's not a nerf to ghost (she didn't lose anything). It was a buff to DareDevil to provide a counter for a fairly niche ability. Every champ has a counter or will at some point and more will come over time. One champ countering another is not a nerf.

Also, this game doesn't go by by comic lore. And even of it did, there are so many variations, writers can make a storyline go anyway they want.

There are so many different interactions in this game that should or shouldn't happen. It's all made up and the rules are based on what Kabam decides (under the guise of the grandmaster leveling the playing field for the contest). Come on ,NF is a guy with a gun and a knife and he's better than cosmic beings, dimensional entities, ancient sorceror, hulks, etc. It is what it is for the sake of making the game interest ING and fun in the grand scheme of things

Raichu626

Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.
That doesn't make sense
Does Human torch being so hot that he can hit ghost phasing make sense?

Does Nick fury throwing some equipment at ghost mean it makes sense for him to avoid missing?

Does stealth spidey putting foam on ghost make sense that it means he can hit her?

This game requires some suspension of disbelief, if you take everything logically and scientifically you just can’t play it without seeing inconsistencies. How can hulk hit Hawkeye without him dying? How can black widow hit Korg without breaking her hands?

Why does gamma radiation give Hulk superpowers? That doesn't make any sense, that's not how gamma radiation works.

On the topic of Hulk, DD hitting Ghost makes as much sense as the Hulk being so angry at his deceased Dad that he was able to beat up Doctor Strange's astral form. That's a thing that happened afaik. Don't try to apply logic to something it isn't meant to be applied to.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

It was a "buff" for daredevil.
Read his abilities

manveerthereal

Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.
That doesn't make sense
Does Human torch being so hot that he can hit ghost phasing make sense?

Does Nick fury throwing some equipment at ghost mean it makes sense for him to avoid missing?

Does stealth spidey putting foam on ghost make sense that it means he can hit her?

This game requires some suspension of disbelief, if you take everything logically and scientifically you just can’t play it without seeing inconsistencies. How can hulk hit Hawkeye without him dying? How can black widow hit Korg without breaking her hands?

my Thanos cant wipe out half the quest with a snap

BitterSteel

What exactly is the difference between that and this

Why is heat being intense a good explanation for hitting someone who quite literally isn’t in the dimension, but daredevils isn’t?

Neither make sense, but you’re accepting one and not the other because it suits your opinion.

Marvel_G

Daredevil is blind and the idea behind is that he can feel where ghost is doesn’t need to see her, because again he is blind. Whether an opponent is invisible or not is indifferent to him. He can’t SEE!!!

StevieManWonder

It doesn't make sense because Phasing is hugely different from being Invisible, but it's for the sake of balance in the game.

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Seraphion

Also, just because they are “aware” doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible. In essence, true strike is supposed to be your champion anticipating your opponents moves. The same goes for whatever awareness mechanic you’re talking about. Daredevil has radar senses, so he can make out Ghosts form, even though she’s phasing. This allows him to hit characters such as Invisible Woman, Hood, and yes, even Ghost.

Don't try it with logic. You can't hit what is not there.

It is just kabam introduceing more Ghost counters. I don't like that too much but I can see why they do it.

DNA3000

I mean it’s a fair point, even if you know “where” something is doesn’t mean you should be able to touch it if it is intangible, but its just another thing to be aware of as a Ghostie. By lore logic it doesn’t make sense but eh maybe iso-8 enhanced his abilities to reach through quantum space 🥴

While Ghost is phasing she shouldn't be able to hit you either. I presume that at any moment in time parts of Ghost are more or less tangible. A sighted person is generally going to miss Ghost while she is phasing because they would be aiming for the parts they can see. But Daredevil can't see Ghost, he can only detect the parts that are tangible with his radar sense. So to Daredevil, Ghost is a shifting pattern of semisolid blobs floating in the air, and that's what he targets when he swings.

DNA3000

Also, just because they are “aware” doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible. In essence, true strike is supposed to be your champion anticipating your opponents moves. The same goes for whatever awareness mechanic you’re talking about. Daredevil has radar senses, so he can make out Ghosts form, even though she’s phasing. This allows him to hit characters such as Invisible Woman, Hood, and yes, even Ghost.
Don't try it with logic. You can't hit what is not there.

It is just kabam introduceing more Ghost counters. I don't like that too much but I can see why they do it.

Actually, there's only one miss mechanic. So when they made Daredevil able to counter miss, they had to make him counter all misses everywhere, regardless of their conceptual origin. They didn't specifically target Ghost. To make Daredevil not counter Ghost they would have had to do significantly more work, and probably invent a whole new miss mechanic just for Ghost.

The game's characters are translated into the game mechanics, and then the game's mechanics take over. The game doesn't attempt to simulate comic book logic, as if that was even a thing you could consistently simulate. It evokes them with what's available in the game engine, and everything works on the basis of reasonable fit, not perfect fit. There is no perfect fitting of the wide range of comic book fictions into the game mechanics.

Ghost's abilities are illogical on their face. They don't make sense all by themselves, before discussing anything else's interactions with them. You have to get over that first, before you can consider how they might interact with any other character's abilities, and you have to cut an enormous amount of slack to make even remotely plausible interactions.

BitterSteel

I mean it’s a fair point, even if you know “where” something is doesn’t mean you should be able to touch it if it is intangible, but its just another thing to be aware of as a Ghostie. By lore logic it doesn’t make sense but eh maybe iso-8 enhanced his abilities to reach through quantum space 🥴
While Ghost is phasing she shouldn't be able to hit you either. I presume that at any moment in time parts of Ghost are more or less tangible. A sighted person is generally going to miss Ghost while she is phasing because they would be aiming for the parts they can see. But Daredevil can't see Ghost, he can only detect the parts that are tangible with his radar sense. So to Daredevil, Ghost is a shifting pattern of semisolid blobs floating in the air, and that's what he targets when he swings.

I actually watched Ant man and the wasp today, and the explanation given is that Ghost (or Ava) without the suit phases in and out without control becoming solid and not at random, but Shield gave her the suit which lets her control it. That’s why in the movie, she can decide when to phase and go through a wall, or let a punch go through her.

So your explanation could make sense if ghost were not wearing her suit, DD would possibly be able to tell which parts of her was in and out of phase. But with the suit, she decides when she starts phasing and her entire body phases, so DD wouldn’t be able to point to a specific part that was solid.

That’s actually alluded to in a line of her abilities

As soon as ghost starts to attack the opponent and become solid, she stops phasing. Same with blocking which would require her to become solid.

Hammerbro_64

I mean it’s a fair point, even if you know “where” something is doesn’t mean you should be able to touch it if it is intangible, but its just another thing to be aware of as a Ghostie. By lore logic it doesn’t make sense but eh maybe iso-8 enhanced his abilities to reach through quantum space 🥴
While Ghost is phasing she shouldn't be able to hit you either. I presume that at any moment in time parts of Ghost are more or less tangible. A sighted person is generally going to miss Ghost while she is phasing because they would be aiming for the parts they can see. But Daredevil can't see Ghost, he can only detect the parts that are tangible with his radar sense. So to Daredevil, Ghost is a shifting pattern of semisolid blobs floating in the air, and that's what he targets when he swings.

I mean like bittersteel said it deactivates as you initiate an attack. She isn’t floating blobs, she is gone from her current material plane. Case in point: her walking through walls in AM&W. If someone can punch in the right place to hit a phasing ghost, humans and body armor being less dense than a concrete wall should render her unable to walk through walls which she clearly is able to do.

I see it as less of a lore thing and more of a “we can’t have her counter everything” and “it’s too much work to decide who’s anti-miss ability should count and who’s shouldn’t” and then all the coding for all of that.

mattress

Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.

I learned this the hard way.lol

SkyLord7000

she gets hit by him for the same reason why prof x can hit her they bypass miss

The battle prof X has with said champ is in the mind realm so he can alter things like that.

Not a ghost nerf tho

AMS94

I wouldn't call it a nerf since they didn't actually made any changes to Ghost, but it's an interaction that doesn't make sense when u think about it (like many others in the game)
It was just a way to give a minor buff to the underwhelming DDHK overhaul