There's champs that take really high skill, like quake & tigra
And then there's champs that take really high creativity - that's Sorcerer Supreme. You build her up differently in almost every fight - and you get to choose your own risk / reward equation each time
She's incredibly fun to play, and there's very few things she can't handle. Oddly, there's a lot about her feel that reminds me of Guilly99. They both sit unranked on many rosters, while those of us that 'know' just smile
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
Then really don't know how to use her . In 7 2 she can take blocks a day and still finish 100% hp
Really do know how to use her actually. Never needed to because in 7.2 you can use anyone. If you really have to/need to sit there and take who knows how many blocked hits to heal her back to 100% then she is a good champion for you.
Yes i know how to use her. Infact in Aw attack i use her more than Doom. Her utilities comes handy in many situation. And with that regen going on I don't have to worry block damage. Is taking block damage bad ? Saving pots bad? Champ with ton of utilities is bad ? Or she need skills and knowledge to play and one can't pull that off makes her bad???
No one said that we had to sit and take block damages. It's her kit which helps in many tricky situations. And yeah she's good champion for me.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
3% health? she can take any hit that doesn't kill her into the block and heal it all back - how is that not great?
and even outside of blocked hits, with the regen up she passively regens pretty damn efficiently - if you go into a regular act 6/7 fight and dont take anything other than chip damage you can usually see yourself 15-20% healthier by the end of the fight...
i think folks are seriously misunderstanding her regen mechanic.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
All this is wrong. You can regen more than you get damage on block.
Save 3% because for me most of the time blocked damage is about 3%... yeah she can slowly heal what she has if she has the recovery mastery. But even then it stunts her already painful damage since it switches you out of her fury mode unless you build to an sp3 first, and by then the heal isn't that worth it. BWCV Magik DM Dormammu Mephisto all have a better heal. Even Doctor Strange you could argue.
This just shows you don’t use her correctly. She should have multiple armor breaks and 2-3 regen going in a fight. She then hits very hard and regens a ton.
There is no way she hits very hard... she can hit decently if you get all the armor breaks. And it's still not a ton of regen unless you're sat there taking blocked hits which takes enough time to ruin the "very hard" damage.
She can't hit hard 😂😂😂😂 I mean no offence but you really don't know how to deal damage with her. As stand alone Champ she can easily crit 20k -36k . And in longer fights she shines more. But it's not her damage people pick her for.its her utilities she provides. And in current meta people tend to choose utilities more. May not be Champ for you.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
Technically Doom+Mr. F and Doom+Guardian, along with far better power control and damage.
Doom alone is best mystic champ. This synergy's provide more to him. But if we take standalone utilities Sorcerer do very awesome job as she don't need one. Saves the slot
I had a good time reading through the various comments
People often talk about her damage mitigation from her regen. Her damage is great in the Cyttorak's ferocity, and armor breaks make it more sweet. Raggadorr's resolve is known for the well-known regen and etc. Ikonn's ingenuity is really great for power control. The Nullification Aura and Slow debuff make for the cherry on the cake.
Let it be as MrInsanity says, that her damage is low. I would not mind having to hit even a 100 hits more in ACT 6 and above, if I could stay as healthy as I started the quest.
She’s amazing. 3rd best mystic in my opinion. I would give her an 9/10
Only thing I disagree on here, is the 9/10. Shes 10/10 IMO and r3 no brainer. Only Doom (and maybe Claire, who I don't have) outshines her. Her damage is massive if timed correctly, her slow is reliable, her regen is uniqe and her nullify is one of the most reliable in the game. She's such an underrated champ - people telling you otherwise don't know her rotation.
I dont like sorc supreme, im more of an intercepter but she is decent. Not in my top 3 mystic but i dont want to get into that. Mainly biased since she’s a knockoff dollar store doctor strange with all of his powers
Dude dont listen to any haters....she's solid mystic champ who has got tons of utility....people who hate either dont know how to use her correctly or simply *cough* *cough* Aren't smart enough to know her potential....!!!
Guys how am I being a troll, from my experience she is overrated. People are calling her top 3 mystic but she just isn't doing it for me. Her damage is good but takes a little to ramp up especially with her low powrr gain to stack the armor breaks and still can be subpar if you don't crit. The regen is apparently good but I still don't think it's one of the top regenerations compared to other champions. She also has power control. That's why I don't think she's a top 3 mystic, she's like 6th. I tried her, I didn't like her, then I was done. I got Doom BWCV and She-Hulk so I won't try her again anyways, done
Dude dont listen to any haters....she's decent mystic champ who has got a lot of utility....people who like her simply *cough* *cough* Aren't smart enough to know other potential rank ups....!!!
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
Not nonsense man, armor break counts as a nullify. Both get rid of armor and obviously some cases armor break is more useful but it is likely you have other champions who can do it
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
3% health? she can take any hit that doesn't kill her into the block and heal it all back - how is that not great?
and even outside of blocked hits, with the regen up she passively regens pretty damn efficiently - if you go into a regular act 6/7 fight and dont take anything other than chip damage you can usually see yourself 15-20% healthier by the end of the fight...
i think folks are seriously misunderstanding her regen mechanic.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
All this is wrong. You can regen more than you get damage on block.
Save 3% because for me most of the time blocked damage is about 3%... yeah she can slowly heal what she has if she has the recovery mastery. But even then it stunts her already painful damage since it switches you out of her fury mode unless you build to an sp3 first, and by then the heal isn't that worth it. BWCV Magik DM Dormammu Mephisto all have a better heal. Even Doctor Strange you could argue.
Yeah mate damage is not painful I was exaggerating. Block damage is honestly lower for me I always intercept or use Cap IW, it is better than blocking
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
How about YOU dont comment on stuff you know nothing about. I think she is the sixth best mystic. You dont, so how is that a lack of my knowledge when I have tried her multiple times and seen her gameplay on youtube
As you can see, people are very divided on her. In my opinion she’s good, especially if you don’t have any other strong mystics, but doesn’t excel at one particular thing. I see her as similar to imiw but a little better. I’m kind of in the middle of the two camps. I definitely don’t feel like she’s the second best mystic when you don’t run suicides (I don’t and I have a r5 Claire who I use way more and is way better) but I also don’t feel like she’s trash and not worth using. I’d rank her behind doom, Claire, sym supreme, tigra, longshot, and voodoo which still puts her in a very respectable place in the mystic class.
Armour break and nullify are different things, champions can be immune to one and not the other, hence Sorcerer being strong in both areas.
Armour also isn't the only buff you need to get rid of in the game, hence sorcerer being strong in that area.
Block penetration and block proficiency reductions are a thing, try taking Cap IW against passive disorient and let me know how his parries are holding up. Sorcerer supreme will be happily blocking and regenning to that sweet yellow bar until the cows come home.
She has access to slow, the single best debuff in the game in my opinion, covers so much. Not only does she have access to it, but it's 100% uptime, infact in some match ups you can stack up to 5 slows. Not that there's any benefit to more than one, but just to show how accessible it is.
She has one of, if not the, best sustainability in the game with her interesting way of block damage reduction that gets around everything except heal block/reduction, which is easy to avoid.
She has insane damage for a utility machine that she is. You aren't supposed to finish fights quicker than the high damage dealers. She is one of the safest champions in the game to play, and when the target in this game is to finish fights and keep your health, sometimes it doesn't matter if you take longer.
She has a great nullify, stripping buffs away like they're nothing.
Just note that disagreeing with this doesn't make you a troll, but it doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make your opinion right. You might not like her, but saying she is overrated and /or bad, is plain wrong. Same as if I said Quake is bad because i didn't like her. Or if I said Doom's power control is worse than claire's. Ok, your opinion, but wrong.
As you can see, people are very divided on her. In my opinion she’s good, especially if you don’t have any other strong mystics, but doesn’t excel at one particular thing. I see her as similar to imiw but a little better. I’m kind of in the middle of the two camps. I definitely don’t feel like she’s the second best mystic when you don’t run suicides (I don’t and I have a r5 Claire who I use way more and is way better) but I also don’t feel like she’s trash and not worth using. I’d rank her behind doom, Claire, sym supreme, tigra, longshot, and voodoo which still puts her in a very respectable place in the mystic class.
I guess you could say “people” if you count mrinsanity as what, like 15 people?
Guys how am I being a troll, from my experience she is overrated. People are calling her top 3 mystic but she just isn't doing it for me. Her damage is good but takes a little to ramp up especially with her low powrr gain to stack the armor breaks and still can be subpar if you don't crit. The regen is apparently good but I still don't think it's one of the top regenerations compared to other champions. She also has power control. That's why I don't think she's a top 3 mystic, she's like 6th. I tried her, I didn't like her, then I was done. I got Doom BWCV and She-Hulk so I won't try her again anyways, done
Dude dont listen to any haters....she's decent mystic champ who has got a lot of utility....people who like her simply *cough* *cough* Aren't smart enough to know other potential rank ups....!!!
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
Not nonsense man, armor break counts as a nullify. Both get rid of armor and obviously some cases armor break is more useful but it is likely you have other champions who can do it
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
3% health? she can take any hit that doesn't kill her into the block and heal it all back - how is that not great?
and even outside of blocked hits, with the regen up she passively regens pretty damn efficiently - if you go into a regular act 6/7 fight and dont take anything other than chip damage you can usually see yourself 15-20% healthier by the end of the fight...
i think folks are seriously misunderstanding her regen mechanic.
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
Her armor breaks help Her regen on block helps
What mystic is better than her and do the above?
When do you need armor break? Nullify is practically the same as that Regen on block is not permanent and at most just gets rid of all block damage, which sounds good but is ultimately about 3% health from my experience.
All this is wrong. You can regen more than you get damage on block.
Save 3% because for me most of the time blocked damage is about 3%... yeah she can slowly heal what she has if she has the recovery mastery. But even then it stunts her already painful damage since it switches you out of her fury mode unless you build to an sp3 first, and by then the heal isn't that worth it. BWCV Magik DM Dormammu Mephisto all have a better heal. Even Doctor Strange you could argue.
Yeah mate damage is not painful I was exaggerating. Block damage is honestly lower for me I always intercept or use Cap IW, it is better than blocking
She is overrated. If you need a slow champion or a decent mystic she is good but otherwise other mystics can do what she does better. No awakening needed.
How about YOU dont comment on stuff you know nothing about. I think she is the sixth best mystic. You dont, so how is that a lack of my knowledge when I have tried her multiple times and seen her gameplay on youtube
From your experience is the key point here. You’re not using her correctly. That’s ok. In my experience quake is overrated, but that’s only because I don’t quake well and have never bothered to learn. I get by without her just fine, but others crush content with her. Just use who you like.
Just note that disagreeing with this doesn't make you a troll, but it doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make your opinion right. You might not like her, but saying she is overrated and /or bad, is plain wrong. Same as if I said Quake is bad because i didn't like her. Or if I said Doom's power control is worse than claire's. Ok, your opinion, but wrong.
Not gonna bother with the other stuff since I don't have anything else to say... just have to agree to disagree. But she is overrated and opinions can't be wrong or right... like there is no way Magik is worse than SS in my opinion, you can't say that is wrong...
Just note that disagreeing with this doesn't make you a troll, but it doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make your opinion right. You might not like her, but saying she is overrated and /or bad, is plain wrong. Same as if I said Quake is bad because i didn't like her. Or if I said Doom's power control is worse than claire's. Ok, your opinion, but wrong.
opinions can't be wrong or right...
My opinion is that iron fist is a better champion than dr doom
Just note that disagreeing with this doesn't make you a troll, but it doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make your opinion right. You might not like her, but saying she is overrated and /or bad, is plain wrong. Same as if I said Quake is bad because i didn't like her. Or if I said Doom's power control is worse than claire's. Ok, your opinion, but wrong.
Not gonna bother with the other stuff since I don't have anything else to say... just have to agree to disagree. But she is overrated and opinions can't be wrong or right... like there is no way Magik is worse than SS in my opinion, you can't say that is wrong...
my opinion is that earth is flat you can't say that is wrong
Just note that disagreeing with this doesn't make you a troll, but it doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make your opinion right. You might not like her, but saying she is overrated and /or bad, is plain wrong. Same as if I said Quake is bad because i didn't like her. Or if I said Doom's power control is worse than claire's. Ok, your opinion, but wrong.
opinions can't be wrong or right...
My opinion is that iron fist is a better champion than dr doom
Alright you can like his animations more so therefore he can be better to you since it is subjective
Just note that disagreeing with this doesn't make you a troll, but it doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make your opinion right. You might not like her, but saying she is overrated and /or bad, is plain wrong. Same as if I said Quake is bad because i didn't like her. Or if I said Doom's power control is worse than claire's. Ok, your opinion, but wrong.
Not gonna bother with the other stuff since I don't have anything else to say... just have to agree to disagree. But she is overrated and opinions can't be wrong or right... like there is no way Magik is worse than SS in my opinion, you can't say that is wrong...
my opinion is that earth is flat you can't say that is wrong
Alright that is different since it's based on invalid facts I'm done now. Good discussion guys very constructive, Hopefully this helped someone
Just note that disagreeing with this doesn't make you a troll, but it doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make your opinion right. You might not like her, but saying she is overrated and /or bad, is plain wrong. Same as if I said Quake is bad because i didn't like her. Or if I said Doom's power control is worse than claire's. Ok, your opinion, but wrong.
opinions can't be wrong or right...
My opinion is that iron fist is a better champion than dr doom
Alright you can like his animations more so therefore he can be better to you since it is subjective
Just note that disagreeing with this doesn't make you a troll, but it doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make your opinion right. You might not like her, but saying she is overrated and /or bad, is plain wrong. Same as if I said Quake is bad because i didn't like her. Or if I said Doom's power control is worse than claire's. Ok, your opinion, but wrong.
Not gonna bother with the other stuff since I don't have anything else to say... just have to agree to disagree. But she is overrated and opinions can't be wrong or right... like there is no way Magik is worse than SS in my opinion, you can't say that is wrong...
my opinion is that earth is flat you can't say that is wrong
Alright that is different since it's based on invalid facts I'm done now. Good discussion guys very constructive, Hopefully this helped someone
It’s rlly ok to change your mind based on all the facts and points people have made dude.
When there’s overwhelming push back to you saying a champion is overrated most people would consider they may be wrong about it.
Nobodies telling you to like the champ, but you don’t have to like using a champion to realise how good they are. I don’t enjoy using colossus, but he’s a beast.
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And then there's champs that take really high creativity - that's Sorcerer Supreme. You build her up differently in almost every fight - and you get to choose your own risk / reward equation each time
She's incredibly fun to play, and there's very few things she can't handle. Oddly, there's a lot about her feel that reminds me of Guilly99. They both sit unranked on many rosters, while those of us that 'know' just smile
5*r3 SorSup
Is taking block damage bad ?
Saving pots bad?
Champ with ton of utilities is bad ?
Or she need skills and knowledge to play and one can't pull that off makes her bad???
No one said that we had to sit and take block damages. It's her kit which helps in many tricky situations.
And yeah she's good champion for me.
But it's not her damage people pick her for.its her utilities she provides. And in current meta people tend to choose utilities more. May not be
Champ for you.
People often talk about her damage mitigation from her regen. Her damage is great in the Cyttorak's ferocity, and armor breaks make it more sweet. Raggadorr's resolve is known for the well-known regen and etc. Ikonn's ingenuity is really great for power control. The Nullification Aura and Slow debuff make for the cherry on the cake.
Let it be as MrInsanity says, that her damage is low. I would not mind having to hit even a 100 hits more in ACT 6 and above, if I could stay as healthy as I started the quest.
Her damage is massive if timed correctly, her slow is reliable, her regen is uniqe and her nullify is one of the most reliable in the game. She's such an underrated champ - people telling you otherwise don't know her rotation.
Probably want a point or two in mystic dispersion for a little power gain
Amazing champ. My next mystic r3.
Armour also isn't the only buff you need to get rid of in the game, hence sorcerer being strong in that area.
Block penetration and block proficiency reductions are a thing, try taking Cap IW against passive disorient and let me know how his parries are holding up. Sorcerer supreme will be happily blocking and regenning to that sweet yellow bar until the cows come home.
She has access to slow, the single best debuff in the game in my opinion, covers so much. Not only does she have access to it, but it's 100% uptime, infact in some match ups you can stack up to 5 slows. Not that there's any benefit to more than one, but just to show how accessible it is.
She has one of, if not the, best sustainability in the game with her interesting way of block damage reduction that gets around everything except heal block/reduction, which is easy to avoid.
She has insane damage for a utility machine that she is. You aren't supposed to finish fights quicker than the high damage dealers. She is one of the safest champions in the game to play, and when the target in this game is to finish fights and keep your health, sometimes it doesn't matter if you take longer.
She has a great nullify, stripping buffs away like they're nothing.
Just note that disagreeing with this doesn't make you a troll, but it doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make your opinion right. You might not like her, but saying she is overrated and /or bad, is plain wrong. Same as if I said Quake is bad because i didn't like her. Or if I said Doom's power control is worse than claire's. Ok, your opinion, but wrong.
But she is overrated and opinions can't be wrong or right... like there is no way Magik is worse than SS in my opinion, you can't say that is wrong...
I'm done now. Good discussion guys very constructive, Hopefully this helped someone
When there’s overwhelming push back to you saying a champion is overrated most people would consider they may be wrong about it.
Nobodies telling you to like the champ, but you don’t have to like using a champion to realise how good they are. I don’t enjoy using colossus, but he’s a beast.