For those who say getting R3s + Thronebreaker is rng dependend

Ok so december I did my first abyss run for a possible thronebreaker rankup, I WANTED a mystic but got mutant so I decided to do 7.1 completion + exploration. I r3ed my havok and the next month I got enough t5cc to r3 doom. This is 2 r3s in 2 months. Im totally F2P and Im not in a top ally. Now I currently have 5 r3s and a few frags away from 2 more r3s , I get my t5cc from glory store + from calendar + eq.
Getting to TB first made it much easier to actually obtain t5cc , no matter what class I pull I know im nearer to form another cat each time I open 1.

Take up any champ to r3 or 1 u enjoy to play , dont listen to what other people say to rank up.

My current r3s in order are
Havok
Doom
Black widow deadly origen
Gambit
Dragon man

My soon to be r3s are
Star lord
Venom the duck.

So take any to r3 and ull see the t5cc frags will start to roll.

Comments

Qfury

I got throne breaker back in October after abyss - pulled science and was lucky to have human torch.

I did take a 6 month break after that been playing an hour or so a day since but I've literally only just taken my 2nd 6* to R3 ( CGR) - been sat on that cosmic t5cc for months

I am about to form a skill but the only options I have is else or post buff Ronin if his buff is good. The thing is, is I'm the type of person that won't use resources unless I really like the champ so I'll probably end up saving it till I pull someone I'd immediately rank up, just like I did with the cosmic.

It is all RNG & stubbornness

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DNA3000

Yes, but RNG plays that role everywhere in this game. I don't think anyone would argue with the statement that RNG can play a role in how fast you become Thronebreaker. Where people take issue is with people making statements more along the lines of TB is 100% RNG. That's like saying whether you get home or not is RNG, because traffic lights can slow you down. That's true, but it is misleading to say that getting home is 100% RNG. 99.99% of the time, you're getting home.

GroundedWisdom

I've made this point since its introduction. It's one choice, to get to the next level.

king_ov_scrubs

it’s far fetched to say that random champs plus random cats makes random rank up opportunities?

xNig

Technically, yes. The target group of people becoming TB has enough 6*s and T5CC formed to to mitigate the “randomness”.

SwarmOfRavens

Random catalyst if you choose to ignore all the t5cc selectors already listed multiple times

DNA3000

It is deliberately misleading, or deliberately misunderstanding. The idea that any situation that contains randomness is then ruled by randomness is the invalid leap of logic. Casino games are governed by randomness and yet casinos eventually always win. How is that possible if random plus random should equal random? Random chance in random games should mean sometimes the casino wins and sometimes the casino goes bankrupt. Casinos should be random businesses, and yet they aren't. They are governed by outside forces that determine how many people choose to go to casinos to play, but the random elements of their slot machines and table games barely shows up at all as a factor in their finances. And that's because casinos aren't ruled by randomness, they are ruled by statistics.

6* crystals are random, but it is within the power of the player to decide what content to run and how much of it to run and thus how many crystals they get. It is within their power to choose whether to open basics or featureds depending on the content of those crystals. It is within their power to decide how to open T5CC selectors, and how to maximize the amount of fragments they get. So even though the crystals are random, there are strategies a player can choose to use that all but guarantee achieving Thronebreaker within some reasonable amount of time.

The question is not are crystals random. The question is are you doing everything you can to shift the odds into your favor. If you're not doing that, you can't blame your situation on randomness.

SwarmOfRavens

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king_ov_scrubs

you can say that all you want, but the point is mute. there’s a 50% selector for BoT but nobody these days is exploring act 6 before getting a rank 3 so that’s irrelevant. It’s very unlikely someone is exploring 7.2 and has yet to obtain a rank 3 so that is also irrelevant. the most important out of the selectors is the 7.1 which in most cases will get the individual to a fully formed t5c or very very close. Abyss t5c crystals are random. the rest of the t5c in story content is random. Cav EQ has a nexus which is very helpful but it’s once every 30 or so days and it’s very possible you miss the class you’re after. Carina challenges offer some selectors but i’m not sure the exact ones as i’ve completed them a while ago. so out of all content, i see two selectors that are relevant to those close to Thronebreaker, which i see as 35-55% of a guaranteed t5c class of your choice. but by all means, repeat it for me again.

DawsMan

Yeah not practically, but against variant 3 kang he did it. Also against Gwenperion I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CXjgja6NcI

Demonzfyre

People not wanting to complete content don't get to complain about the requirements for a title.

DNA3000

Wait a minute. You're saying it is unlikely people are exploring act 6 or 7.x before getting a rank 3 so they are "irrelevant." But that's illogical. The reason why most people are getting to R3 before doing those things is specifically because the odds of doing a rank 3 rank up are so high in the first place. For people who were unlucky enough to not get what they need, those selectors are very relevant because they are precisely the way that a particularly unlucky person can get past bad luck.

You're basically saying the stuff people don't need when they are lucky are things we can't expect unlucky people to ever get. But that's nonsensical. When you're lucky, you don't need it. When you're not lucky, that's precisely when you should go for it, and they become explicitly relevant.

Demonzfyre

They will have a longer road ahead. That's what's everyone's been telling you this whole time. The more you do to get resources to rank up to an R3, the less you have to depend on getting that one champion you want. It's really not difficult to understand.

SwarmOfRavens

You're jumping through hoops to invalidate something and none of your points are coherent.

I'm not sure if you mean breaker of thrones by BoT, but I never stated anything about act 6 exploration because it's literally not needed for selectors.

The only thing I've stated is it's possible to form your first T5cc without having to rely on rng and that's a fact.
25% selector from act 6 completion which is needed for TB regardless
25% selector each from 7.1 & 2 exploration
Completion offer from 7.1 has a 15% selector and 7.2 offer has a 20% selector

You're saying it's unlikely people exploring 7.2 have yet to r3 a champ so it's "irrelevant" which makes no sense considering act 7 is more accessible than every other major source of t5cc. Its less account demanding and resource taxing than any other source
People are literally skipping act 6 exploration and abyss so expecting them to be "close to thronebreaker" is irrational.

xNig

TB requirements should just be adjusted to 3 R3s to stop such silly threads about it being “random”.

king_ov_scrubs

nobody in this game's state is exploring act 6 before a r3 which makes it irrelevant to the thronebreaker requirement. there's enough t5c to go around so 99% of players will already have a t5c before exploring 7.2 making that irrelevant to the thronebreaker requirement as well. the main argument of this thread is that the rank 3 requirement is not rng based because you'll eventually get the t5c, which is true but the bigger problem for some players is that they have a t5c but no reasonable champs to take to r3 or they have a solid champ but no t5c of the same class. my whole point is that players would not be running into this issue if the rankup was not rng influenced. the combination of getting the t5c and a good champ is what makes it rng based, not the obtaining of t5c alone.

Polygon

How often do you use gambit? The fact he needs 2 other people is kind of a turnoff to me (apocalypse and cable)

xNig

Bring TB doesn’t require a R3 Doom/Corvus/Ghost etc specific champ. It requires ANY R3.

So if someone has a T5CC of one class but does not have a 6* of that class, their roster would have been too underdeveloped to be TB.

Also, since there are so many Selectors available, players get to choose which class they want. And if they don’t have a good champ in their 6* roster that they can R3, once again, their rosters are too underdeveloped to be TB.

I’ve always been against having ONE R3 as a criteria for TB as it just makes it seem more rng than it was meant to be.

DNA3000

If some players are not able to make their first R3 because RNG is road blocking them, and they are not attempting to explore Act 6 and they are not attempting to explore 7.1 or 7.2, just exactly what are they doing? Just waiting for the Thronebreaker fairy to visit them and leave a 6* Doom under their pillow?

The people who make their first R3 before exploring Act 6 or Act 7 chapters are not roadblocked by RNG. They *made* their first R3. The only people who can complain are the ones that haven't made their first R3 yet, and still haven't explored Act 6 or Act 7 chapters. And those people can complain about it, or they can do something about it and go get the selectors that are out there. But if they choose to complain about how RNG rules their life and don't actually try to acquire the explicitly non-random selectors in the game, they will not get a lot of sympathy from the rest of the players or the devs. It is their choice.

What you call an "issue" I call "one of the challenges of the game." It is a challenge players can respond to by managing their game play strategically. Or not.

Real_Madrid_76_2

so you have a 6 star starlord opemed from featured 6 stars. Damn crazy pull if awakened

DNA3000

I think it would be better to not penalize the players who understand the requirement for what it is, and instead just ignore the complaints.

On the other hand, the TB+1 requirements could very well be much harder in the future because of these complaints. And if they are, I am already making a mental note to tell players who complain about those future requirements to blame the players complaining about the TB requirement now, because it will be 100% their fault.

Pulyaman

Man. This made my day. Wish the TB fairy would visit me and leave a CGR under my pillow

xNig

Tbh I doubt so. Cause the next 2 cats for R4 are non class specific.

Ghostboytjie

I got soo many notifications... and only 1 new comment xD did you guys have unstructured critism?

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Demonzfyre

It's weird they nuked the thread and still left it open.

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Wicket329

I was ready to say goodbye to it