Are we seriously starting AW season without attack tactics working?

JuroSan

Are we seriously starting AW season without attack tactics working?
This season is all wrong on so many levels but at least fix the attack tactics before season starts!

Mr_Platypus

Apparently so, shame too as I wanted to see how prof X and apoc would handle path 7 with the wither debuffs from the attack tactic

JuroSan

We are not getting any meaningful change to the broken AW system but we can at least expect the game work the way game mode suppose to work

JuroSan

@Kabam Zibiit
Can you please kindly get an update on fixing attack tactics?
No one can apply them at the moment

Lvernon15

In a planning sense I’m kinda glad, wars take long enough to plan without another thing to add on, but it is weird how they’re starting the season with them not working

Kabam Zibiit

Hey there, we will be postponing the release of Attack Tactics across all difficulties in Alliance Wars until after Season 27. You can find more information here.

JuroSan

@Kabam Zibiit
Thanks for clarifying but I have a question if you can kindly answer.
Didn’t you design those attack tactics to counter some of the new defense tactics?
Aren’t they part of same game mode design?

JuroSan

And does this mean Season 27 is not going to have major changes?

JuroSan

Attack tactics replaced the bonus attack stats we were getting previously, are we getting those back? And if yes how?

Jaded

JuroSan said:

@Kabam Zibiit
Thanks for clarifying but I have a question if you can kindly answer.
Didn’t you design those attack tactics to counter some of the new defense tactics?
Aren’t they part of same game mode design?

I 2nd this question and very interested to hear the plan going forward on dealing with new def tactics that were suppose to be countered by attack tactics.

JuroSan

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Seraphion

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

While it is annoying they almost didn't do anything aside from a very few niche things.

This war season will be easier than last season. You can run rampage with Ghost and Corvus again + some nodes got easier.

Didn't some powergain node got nerfed too? Path 7 I think

GroundedWisdom

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.

JuroSan

Those attack tactics replaced attack bonuses
So now they basically removed them without replacing them with anything else, so that put the attacker on a disadvantage compared to what we had in the game mode

Jaded

GroundedWisdom said:

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.

The responsible part would be to cancel both attack and defence tactics. Not run defence tactics that were suppose to be countered by the aforementioned attack tactics.

Worknprogress

What do you guys want to counter? Like seriously

Jaded

Worknprogress said:

What do you guys want to counter? Like seriously

The new defence tactics. Do you read?

Worknprogress

Jaded said:

Worknprogress said:

What do you guys want to counter? Like seriously

The new defence tactics. Do you read?

What about any of them needs to be countered? What about any of the attack tactics countered them? I'm not sure it's me that's got the problem reading.

Kabam Miike

Jaded said:

GroundedWisdom said:

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.

The responsible part would be to cancel both attack and defence tactics. Not run defence tactics that were suppose to be countered by the aforementioned attack tactics.

Are there Defense Tactics, in particular, you're referring to?

LuisBvv

Yeah how will we counter the regenerator power gain now. They go hand in hand. Both have to be canceled

Jaded

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

GroundedWisdom said:

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.

The responsible part would be to cancel both attack and defence tactics. Not run defence tactics that were suppose to be countered by the aforementioned attack tactics.

Are there Defense Tactics, in particular, you're referring to?

The evade one specifically. It will cause even true strike to fail since it adds 15%. I’ve already seen it fail and taken combos to the face. With the attack tactics it would be mitigated.

Deacon

well the attack tactics never really made sense and i couldn't find a use for them that really impacted War because they're still requiring the defender to fill some sort of prerequisite before the attack tactic comes into play. so why separate them when they are still very much dependent upon the defense tactic selected.

LuisBvv

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

GroundedWisdom said:

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.

The responsible part would be to cancel both attack and defence tactics. Not run defence tactics that were suppose to be countered by the aforementioned attack tactics.

Are there Defense Tactics, in particular, you're referring to?

Miike these new defenses tactics were to be countered with the attack tactics so you have to cancel both. It’s not fair to have no way to counter evade and power gain

LuisBvv

There will literally be no way to counter the power gains on regenerator

Worknprogress

Jaded said:

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

GroundedWisdom said:

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.

The responsible part would be to cancel both attack and defence tactics. Not run defence tactics that were suppose to be countered by the aforementioned attack tactics.

Are there Defense Tactics, in particular, you're referring to?

The evade one specifically. It will cause even true strike to fail since it adds 15%. I’ve already seen it fail and taken combos to the face. With the attack tactics it would be mitigated.

If a defender is evading while you have TS up, that's a bug. It doesn't reduce evade ability accuracy it ignores evade all together. Slow which the tactic places on the other hand actually can be bypassed by increased ability accuracy

Jaded

Worknprogress said:

Jaded said:

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

GroundedWisdom said:

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.

The responsible part would be to cancel both attack and defence tactics. Not run defence tactics that were suppose to be countered by the aforementioned attack tactics.

Are there Defense Tactics, in particular, you're referring to?

The evade one specifically. It will cause even true strike to fail since it adds 15%. I’ve already seen it fail and taken combos to the face. With the attack tactics it would be mitigated.

If a defender is evading while you have TS up, that's a bug. It doesn't reduce evade ability accuracy it ignores evade all together. Slow which the tactic places on the other hand actually can be bypassed by increased ability accuracy

Exactly. I just didn’t type out every scenario.

Worknprogress

Jaded said:

Worknprogress said:

Jaded said:

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

GroundedWisdom said:

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.

The responsible part would be to cancel both attack and defence tactics. Not run defence tactics that were suppose to be countered by the aforementioned attack tactics.

Are there Defense Tactics, in particular, you're referring to?

The evade one specifically. It will cause even true strike to fail since it adds 15%. I’ve already seen it fail and taken combos to the face. With the attack tactics it would be mitigated.

If a defender is evading while you have TS up, that's a bug. It doesn't reduce evade ability accuracy it ignores evade all together. Slow which the tactic places on the other hand actually can be bypassed by increased ability accuracy

Exactly. I just didn’t type out every scenario.

So what's your point? TS champs will be a better option than using the attack tactic anyway.

JuroSan

@Kabam Miike
Attack tactics replaced attack bonuses
Are we getting back the attack bonuses?

JuroSan

Jaded

Worknprogress said:

Jaded said:

Worknprogress said:

Jaded said:

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

GroundedWisdom said:

JuroSan said:

Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.

The responsible part would be to cancel both attack and defence tactics. Not run defence tactics that were suppose to be countered by the aforementioned attack tactics.

Are there Defense Tactics, in particular, you're referring to?

The evade one specifically. It will cause even true strike to fail since it adds 15%. I’ve already seen it fail and taken combos to the face. With the attack tactics it would be mitigated.

If a defender is evading while you have TS up, that's a bug. It doesn't reduce evade ability accuracy it ignores evade all together. Slow which the tactic places on the other hand actually can be bypassed by increased ability accuracy

Exactly. I just didn’t type out every scenario.

So what's your point? TS champs will be a better option than using the attack tactic anyway.

Yeah no, not for every situation. Don’t be that guy, there is no reason to “question” every aspect and every scenario not mentioned yet. I’m not taking km on a domino fight with spite and so on.

It’s clearly an oversight to have some of these defence tactics still running. Idc if they remove the new ones and run the same old ones from past. But don’t go full speed ahead into seasons with new defence tactics that were planned to run side by side with new attack tactics.

JuroSan

Currently we have bonuses for defenders but not for attackers
Isn’t that imbalancing the game mode?