Are we seriously starting AW season without attack tactics working?

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  • JuroSanJuroSan Member Posts: 187 ★★
    Difficulty level of AW is not in question here.
    Currently the game mode is not the game mode that was announced and half of it is not working
    That’s the point of discussion here
  • JuroSanJuroSan Member Posts: 187 ★★
    If Kabam can do this to a game mode, what’s stopping them to do it in other modes with bigger effects
    It’s a matter of trust
  • JuroSanJuroSan Member Posts: 187 ★★
  • JuroSanJuroSan Member Posts: 187 ★★
    @Kabam Miike they are related
    They replaced the attack bonuses
  • JadedJaded Member Posts: 5,477 ★★★★★

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    JuroSan said:

    Postponing the attack tactics is just unbelievably irresponsible

    Actually, it's the responsible thing to do, unless you want them implemented and broken.
    The responsible part would be to cancel both attack and defence tactics. Not run defence tactics that were suppose to be countered by the aforementioned attack tactics.
    Are there Defense Tactics, in particular, you're referring to?
    The evade one specifically. It will cause even true strike to fail since it adds 15%. I’ve already seen it fail and taken combos to the face. With the attack tactics it would be mitigated.
    If a defender is evading while you have TS up, that's a bug. It doesn't reduce evade ability accuracy it ignores evade all together. Slow which the tactic places on the other hand actually can be bypassed by increased ability accuracy
    Exactly. I just didn’t type out every scenario.
    So what's your point? TS champs will be a better option than using the attack tactic anyway.
    Yeah no, not for every situation. Don’t be that guy, there is no reason to “question” every aspect and every scenario not mentioned yet. I’m not taking km on a domino fight with spite and so on.

    It’s clearly an oversight to have some of these defence tactics still running. Idc if they remove the new ones and run the same old ones from past. But don’t go full speed ahead into seasons with new defence tactics that were planned to run side by side with new attack tactics.
    So use an actual slow champ that's a Domino counter like Sorcerer... War is already in the easiest state it's practically ever been. This is hardly a big deal. Basically every remotely hard node on the map got nerfed and none of the tactics are problematic.

    War is basically back to just a paper, rock, scissors game of bring the right champ and you're fine
    Again not asking your advice on who to use. There’s far more scenarios not mentioned that this doesn’t work. Slow also doesn’t guarantee to stop it since they have 15% extra accuracy for evade. You already broke that one down but forgot…

    I never said it’s the end of the world. It’s the premise that one was to counter the other. To help rosters play against new defence tactics. If they remove A they should remove B and revert back the system to the previous.

    How many times have a champion been buffed then roadblocked people in aq because kabam didn’t think of all the scenarios? This is only another situation they will have to rectify during the season when it could be dealt with before it started..
  • JuroSanJuroSan Member Posts: 187 ★★

    JuroSan said:

    @Kabam Miike
    Attack tactics replaced attack bonuses
    Are we getting back the attack bonuses?

    Attack Tactics are not related to Attack Bonuses.
    This is equivalent of if Kabam announces: “we are replacing the boosts with these new sets of boosts for war” and when the new boosts don’t work Kabam announces: “this season you don’t have any kind of boosts to use”
    Would that be acceptable?
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?
  • JadedJaded Member Posts: 5,477 ★★★★★

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    What other +evade do you see regularly?
  • JuroSanJuroSan Member Posts: 187 ★★
    Guys attack bonuses were not just about adding new abilities
    They also gave the attackers +attack and +health
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    edited June 2021
    Jaded said:

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    What other +evade do you see regularly?
    Answer my question first, have you ever seen slow fail to prevent an evade (outside of LoL with its own rules). Btw the abyss +100 AA enrage.
  • JadedJaded Member Posts: 5,477 ★★★★★

    Jaded said:

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    What other +evade do you see regularly?
    Answer my question first, have you ever seen slow dial to prevent an evade (outside of LoL with its own rules. Btw the abyss +100 AA enrage.
    I saw true strike fail to this +evade in war already. So excuse me if I have some concerns going forward. I don’t typically bring a slow champion into war, but not against testing it if you can show me where you see this +evade.
  • JuroSanJuroSan Member Posts: 187 ★★
    This is a half released game mode and we are expected to just comply and play and spend on it
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    Slow reduces evade ability accuracy by 100% so there's still a technical chance at an evade happening in some situations. The fact that the attack tactic just lets some champs place slow makes this a completely moot point for someone saying they don't want to use a TS or other evade counter and would rather use the attack tactic benefit.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    Slow reduces evade ability accuracy by 100% so there's still a technical chance at an evade happening in some situations. The fact that the attack tactic just lets some champs place slow makes this a completely moot point for someone saying they don't want to use a TS or other evade counter and would rather use the attack tactic benefit.
    Spider Gwen, night crawler, mr f, miles morales all beg to differ.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    Jaded said:

    Jaded said:

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    What other +evade do you see regularly?
    Answer my question first, have you ever seen slow dial to prevent an evade (outside of LoL with its own rules. Btw the abyss +100 AA enrage.
    I saw true strike fail to this +evade in war already. So excuse me if I have some concerns going forward. I don’t typically bring a slow champion into war, but not against testing it if you can show me where you see this +evade.
    So you can’t show slow failing, got it.
  • JadedJaded Member Posts: 5,477 ★★★★★

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    Slow reduces evade ability accuracy by 100% so there's still a technical chance at an evade happening in some situations. The fact that the attack tactic just lets some champs place slow makes this a completely moot point for someone saying they don't want to use a TS or other evade counter and would rather use the attack tactic benefit.
    No, just because you don’t want to read doesn’t mean you’re right. I’ve seen 3 aspects of defenders evading with this new defence tactic. I had a spider ham evade me with true strike(km), an ally mate using falcon had a Starky evade and I had a domino evade my Apoc after he had 10 evade charges.
  • JadedJaded Member Posts: 5,477 ★★★★★

    Jaded said:

    Jaded said:

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    What other +evade do you see regularly?
    Answer my question first, have you ever seen slow dial to prevent an evade (outside of LoL with its own rules. Btw the abyss +100 AA enrage.
    I saw true strike fail to this +evade in war already. So excuse me if I have some concerns going forward. I don’t typically bring a slow champion into war, but not against testing it if you can show me where you see this +evade.
    So you can’t show slow failing, got it.
    What? That’s just a dumb POV. You can’t prove it’ll work. I asked you where do you see this +evade and I’ll test it. You failed to answer because you just want to be problematic.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    Slow reduces evade ability accuracy by 100% so there's still a technical chance at an evade happening in some situations. The fact that the attack tactic just lets some champs place slow makes this a completely moot point for someone saying they don't want to use a TS or other evade counter and would rather use the attack tactic benefit.
    Spider Gwen, night crawler, mr f, miles morales all beg to differ.
    I'm just saying that per the description, there should still be a chance at an evade with slow. I've never had an issue with TS, Nick, Xavier, or any slow champ where they should work personally. I've said this whole thing is much Ado about nothing from the jump.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Jaded said:

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    Slow reduces evade ability accuracy by 100% so there's still a technical chance at an evade happening in some situations. The fact that the attack tactic just lets some champs place slow makes this a completely moot point for someone saying they don't want to use a TS or other evade counter and would rather use the attack tactic benefit.
    No, just because you don’t want to read doesn’t mean you’re right. I’ve seen 3 aspects of defenders evading with this new defence tactic. I had a spider ham evade me with true strike(km), an ally mate using falcon had a Starky evade and I had a domino evade my Apoc after he had 10 evade charges.
    And all of that barring Falcon is a bug. Go complain about that in the bug forum not this.
  • JadedJaded Member Posts: 5,477 ★★★★★

    Jaded said:

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    Slow reduces evade ability accuracy by 100% so there's still a technical chance at an evade happening in some situations. The fact that the attack tactic just lets some champs place slow makes this a completely moot point for someone saying they don't want to use a TS or other evade counter and would rather use the attack tactic benefit.
    No, just because you don’t want to read doesn’t mean you’re right. I’ve seen 3 aspects of defenders evading with this new defence tactic. I had a spider ham evade me with true strike(km), an ally mate using falcon had a Starky evade and I had a domino evade my Apoc after he had 10 evade charges.
    And all of that barring Falcon is a bug. Go complain about that in the bug forum not this.
    No, You go complain over in the bugs section. This is a valid concern that doesn’t need someone with their head up their butt trying to down play it. These problems never occurred before, so highly doubtful they are bugs. This is the interaction of +evade in war.
  • JuroSanJuroSan Member Posts: 187 ★★
    Lets stop discussing the unrelated details and focus on the main issues
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★

    Jaded said:

    Jaded said:

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    What other +evade do you see regularly?
    Answer my question first, have you ever seen slow dial to prevent an evade (outside of LoL with its own rules. Btw the abyss +100 AA enrage.
    I saw true strike fail to this +evade in war already. So excuse me if I have some concerns going forward. I don’t typically bring a slow champion into war, but not against testing it if you can show me where you see this +evade.
    So you can’t show slow failing, got it.
    It fails against 6.2.6 champion unstoppable effect at times because of his increased ability accuracy so it’d be reasonable to assume increasing a champs evade chance over 100% (if that’s even possible) would allow them to still evade while under the effect of slow sometimes
    Slow fails to prevent the buff from appearing but doesn’t fail unstoppable’s effects.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    Jaded said:

    Jaded said:

    Jaded said:

    Slow should still stop the evade…or does it not because that would be contrary to every observable +evade AA in the game to date.

    So far we have people worried about things that aren’t actually things. Additionally don’t defense tactics already have counters built in but attack tactics expand the number of counters?

    What other +evade do you see regularly?
    Answer my question first, have you ever seen slow dial to prevent an evade (outside of LoL with its own rules. Btw the abyss +100 AA enrage.
    I saw true strike fail to this +evade in war already. So excuse me if I have some concerns going forward. I don’t typically bring a slow champion into war, but not against testing it if you can show me where you see this +evade.
    So you can’t show slow failing, got it.
    What? That’s just a dumb POV. You can’t prove it’ll work. I asked you where do you see this +evade and I’ll test it. You failed to answer because you just want to be problematic.
    Show me it doesn’t work, aside from KM, which you haven’t evidenced, all other evades are expected when +AA is in play.
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