My worries about 4*s

Will keep it brief as it's past midnight here and im knackered!

I've seen a lot say 4*s will be obsolete and I didn't have any of it, until I now know that a RANK1 6* is as strong as a Rank 4 5*!!!

No a 4* to a r4 is already a big difference, these days in AQ 4* don't even pack that much damage!

So it seems certain that at some point 4* will be obsolete, obviously not yet and not at first... but is bad enough having a full roster of 3*s that I can't use in game... yes I could but why? Keep the old format of war and do that for 3*s or something... add in a feature where they can be used.

But back to my point, either diminishing returns or challenger rating is going to ruin 4*s coming up against 6* champs going forward.

I am quite worried about this...

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  • MegaSkater67MegaSkater67 Posts: 583
    edited October 13

    I've seen a lot say 4*s will be obsolete and I didn't have any of it, until I now know that a RANK1 6* is as strong as a Rank 4 5*!!!


    Where was this mentioned? The only place I can find any info on 6* strength is the new challenge but all of those champs are buffed up with nodes. So their PI isn’t representative of the 6*s we’ll eventually be able to use. Unless you’ve seen this elsewhere? I would imagine it’s equal strength to a r3 5*. Usually the case with how a r1 4* is like a r3 3*, or how a r1 5* is like a r3 4*.

    EDIT: never mind I just found the comment. I didn’t realise you meant challenger rating. Does seem a little extreme considering how hard it is to get a 4/55
  • 4*s will be useful for a long time. I do think they will become obsolete except for maybe the best group, but It'll be quite some time before 6*s are duped and ranked and relevant.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 4,866
    edited October 13
    They won't be obsolete, certainly not for a while. In terms of CR, a 4* R5 will be one step below a 6* R1. That's a minimal difference. Of course, we won't logically take a Roster of 4*s into fighting 6*s and expect it to perform the same as 5*s. For that matter, 6*s will probably be rare, and the content they come up in will no doubt initially be aimed for more developed Rosters.
  • Jkw634Jkw634 Posts: 68
    The first thing 4 stars may become obsolete in first is new content. Depends on if kabam will force us to face 6 stars or not and how high ranked they maybe.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 4,866
    That all depends on the content. In order to offer content that adds more challenge, it has to be more challenging. Which means what we could do with 4*s may not be as easy unless we have 5*s. As with many things, people will have to work up to it and build more.
  • BadroseBadrose Posts: 185
    Will keep it brief as it's past midnight here and im knackered!

    I've seen a lot say 4*s will be obsolete and I didn't have any of it, until I now know that a RANK1 6* is as strong as a Rank 4 5*!!!

    No a 4* to a r4 is already a big difference, these days in AQ 4* don't even pack that much damage!

    So it seems certain that at some point 4* will be obsolete, obviously not yet and not at first... but is bad enough having a full roster of 3*s that I can't use in game... yes I could but why? Keep the old format of war and do that for 3*s or something... add in a feature where they can be used.

    But back to my point, either diminishing returns or challenger rating is going to ruin 4*s coming up against 6* champs going forward.

    I am quite worried about this...

    Unfortunately we knew that since they announced the 6*. Of course everything will depend from the type of content they'll release in the future. An event entirely based on 6* champions will make 4* obsolete as much as the 3* are now. And then... well, then we will have to start from the beginning, duping the same champs with a * more, and that will bury this game once and for all.
  • NemesioNemesio Posts: 71
    SirTodd_83 wrote: »
    I wish we were able to max a 5* champ before hearing about 6* champs. Poor form kabam

    The sad part about that is that we are in mid october now, and t2a is really scarce and T5b (needed to maxout 5*) is nonexistent
  • DaMunkDaMunk Posts: 722
    They are rapidly becoming just a stepping stone. Definitely a necessary one though. Unless there's a huge game changer of a champ that comes out I'm probably done ranking 4* past r3.
  • R4GER4GE Posts: 1,117
    I will only be running 4*'s in the challenge to test them out against 6* champs. It should be a long time before they are obsolete and I would hope that by that time we will have already received a big increase in 5* shards to build our 5* rosters up and have the means to max them.


  • FAL7ENFAL7EN Posts: 282
    At this point and seeing the new CR why would you even consider taking a 5* to rank 5? Just save those resources once available to take your first 6* to rank 2. As we know t5b will be extremely rare once introduced so best to just save for a 6*.
  • zero7zero7 Posts: 401
    FAL7EN wrote: »
    At this point and seeing the new CR why would you even consider taking a 5* to rank 5? Just save those resources once available to take your first 6* to rank 2. As we know t5b will be extremely rare once introduced so best to just save for a 6*.

    good point
  • DaMunkDaMunk Posts: 722
    I think the way they scaled up the 6* CR was to aggressive. Not sure of the rationale there other than to really disadvantage 5 to a level we haven't seen.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 4,866
    Morgan wrote: »
    There is lots of time between now and when 6*s are playable for them to add the means to Max 5*s.

    So right.

    Mind to pass me few t5bs? i kinda wanna raise 5-6 5/65 before january, they might come handy. All i need aside those t5bs are well... 20 t2alphas! easy right? I'll be done before the first 6* get opened!

    They said they would be released before 6*s are playable. They didn't say everyone would have them automatically for when they're released.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 1,742
    DaMunk wrote: »
    I think the way they scaled up the 6* CR was to aggressive. Not sure of the rationale there other than to really disadvantage 5 to a level we haven't seen.

    I suspect it was a design error, but it is worth noting that a 10 point difference in challenge rating is a relatively small effect. When CR was lowered in the 12.0.1 patch to the current levels 5* champions had their CR lowered by way more than that. No one noticed 5* champions becoming vastly less powerful when that happened.

    If a 4/55 can have its CR lowered from something like 170 to 110 and no one notices a major difference, then whether a particular rank of 6* champion's CR is 120 or 130 is also going to be only a small difference.

    Put it another way: in 12.0 before CR was adjusted a 5* rank 1 had higher CR than a 5/50 4*. But a 5* rank 1 was most definitely not more powerful than a 5/50. It just had a higher CR. In 12.0.1 they decided to change CR to better mirror the overlap in strength between different star rating champs, similar to how PI overlaps.
  • DaMunkDaMunk Posts: 722
    DNA it might not be a big deal or it could be a very big deal. Time will tell. Find it sort of curious though. If things are relatively easy in the boss smash with 5* testing could be done with 4* to appreciate the effects of CR
  • mum_m2mum_m2 Posts: 629
    maybe to an end game player yes, 4* will become obsolete. That doesn't stop end game players from collecting 2*'s. you still need them for arenas etc. nice to have. fun to look at. more infinity crystals. etc. but in general, no, 4* will still be very much desired to all other people playing this game.
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