Hey guys, so quick question, how hard actually is deciding either the drop rates were right or it was a mistake?
Well, it was a holiday yesterday. Maybe they weren't even sure themselves so they are gathering info to let us know.
There could be a fair amount of discussion, to be honest. And it’s likely this isn’t the only thing on the agenda, with an update rolling tonight/tomorrow and a hot fix soon after.
Personally, I’d make the shift in game to using Greater/Lesser nomenclature (or something similar) on Cav crystals if this is a thing going forward. That change alone would probably involve more than one corporate department.
I’m sure Miike would love to have all the power and just decree what happens, but people should understand that’s not how corporate decisions work.
I’ve bought this offer thinking about the same drop rates as cavaliers crystals and was reading after in Reddit that drop rates are like original cavs crystals. If this is true Kabam should have change the name of this crystal as other than cavalier.
Pretty everyone bought these thinking of the new drop rates (I know I did). It’s a simple fix. Just send out corrected rate crystals like they did last time they sold incorrect rate crystals. Hope we hear from them and what the fix will be today.
Hey guys, so quick question, how hard actually is deciding either the drop rates were right or it was a mistake?
Well, it was a holiday yesterday. Maybe they weren't even sure themselves so they are gathering info to let us know.
There could be a fair amount of discussion, to be honest. And it’s likely this isn’t the only thing on the agenda, with an update rolling tonight/tomorrow and a hot fix soon after.
Personally, I’d make the shift in game to using Greater/Lesser nomenclature (or something similar) on Cav crystals if this is a thing going forward. That change alone would probably involve more than one corporate department.
I’m sure Miike would love to have all the power and just decree what happens, but people should understand that’s not how corporate decisions work.
Specialty crystals where certain champs are unavailable are a good example. They have all champs that are in it listed… and yet Kabam still puts a * at the bottom of the list to make sure you realize that the champ is unavailable. This shouldn’t be necessary since one should be able to deduce the champ is not in the crystal by the list right? It is for the player so that they have less confusion.
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A good bit of Kd’s comments are just debates with other people which is fine. As for his bumping the thread I get why you would find it annoying but I also understand why, as this was a $50.00 purchase and while his bumping will have virtually no effect on how quickly the mods answer, I understand the paranoia of having it go unnoticed.
And as for the actual issue: whether it was intended or not makes no difference to me. Kabam presented 10 Cav Nexus Crystals, and as we know from other multiple rarity crystals, their nexus variants have the same drop rates. It should’ve been made more clear and I don’t think that’s up for discussion.
I have a sneaking suspicion that these cav crystals are not the ones that were wrong.
I think it may have been the *class* nexii that were wrong.
I am still of a mind that the 4.5% drop rate on the nexus class crystals were erroneously placed there and that the original drop rate was supposed to be the 1.5% over three spins of a single crystal, exactly how the ones bought yesterday are currently. I am of the mind that someone at Kabam simply oversighted and did not properly do the math/adjust the rates properly on the last set, and that these are actually correct. In which case, this is a bevy of whining about absolutely nothing, and the only possible gripes would be with the class nexus deals (which, as I recall, most people were pretty happy with.)
But that's speculation. Can't know until someone who is paid to know lets US know. All I'm saying is don't jump to the worst possible conclusions and set the forums on fire searching for a scapegoat. If they messed up, given the (mostly premature at this moment) outrage, they'll likely come out and say it. If not, then you're likely going to get mad anyways, and I can't stop you, but know it'd be over nothing at all in that scenario...
agreed 1000x here mate.. giving 4.5% on single spin is ridic op
4.5% is the current 6* drop rate for Featured Cavalier crystals per spin. These are basics, so it should be a 3% 6* drop rate per spin.
yeh but that's too good no if it was nexus and u got 3 spins.. that's 8.74% chance of getting a 6*
You're funny, man. You keep adding 3 sets of drop rates together to claim it's supposed to add up to a single drop rate. Of course people thought each individual chance was 3%. That's what's makes them *better* than a standard Cav. Or what *should* have made them better... Otherwise they'd be worse than a standard Cav... C'mon man.
a. not addition, different math operation b. there are 3 ways you how you can look at how nexus cav works
1. Most likely the correct scenario i.e. nexus cav does not get the same buff as basic and featured 6* 2.97% 5* 28.88% 4* 55.64% 3* 12.5%
2. What we all hope is the correct scenario (best for players) i.e. nexus cav does get the same buff as basic and featured 6* 8.73% 5* 38.12% 4* 40.64% 3* 12.5%
3. What most unlucky people think is happening, hence the cry (imo very unlikely this is the correct one, not sure DNA even considered this one, as it would require kabam changing the code for no reason purely for these crystals 6* 1% 5* 11% 4* 38% 3* 50%
Basic Cav buffed odds 6* 3% 5* 16% 4* 31% 3* 50%
Compare the odds only 1. vs basic , you can tell even if cav nexuses were not buffed, they are still much better than new basic cavs - no chance of debating against
Compare 2. vs basic, oof. yes please! i hope that's true, but as said might be too good to be true
Compare 3. vs basic, odds-wise only worse than basic cavs, but if you weight in the choice factor, it can turn out to be better than basic cav, e.g.people needing certain class ISO - note that non quantitave benefit is always subjective, so yes for some people 'the choice' wouldnt outweight the lower odds
In conclusion, how ever you interpret the cav nexus crystals work, they are better already 🤷🏿♂️ - what are we waiting for is the confirmation from kabam if they are much better (1.) or mucho mucho mucho better (2.)... and i am ignoring (3.) coz honestly that's borderline conspiracy
Ok. But, the question is whether or not we think it's more likely that anyone who didn't check the specific drop rates for this offer believed it was scenario 2. Strictly based on previous announcements, precedent and common sense. I believe the answer is yes. The logic seems pretty clear cut to me. "Cavs" are buffed. Nexus "Cavs" are now being sold, months later. It would be markedly less logical for the purchaser to think that an old drop rate (that actually shouldn't exist anymore) was applied to a new offer months later. No?
Dang. Still no response on this.. I mean I wont be too mad either way if they fix it.. I think they should, but they certainly aren't obligated to.. We are obligated to read the offers I guess.. Its a seller's market o.O. In the future, if they are going to do this kind of thing, they should call it an "old school cavalier nexus" or something to make it easily differentiated. Here's to hoping.
Specialty crystals where certain champs are unavailable are a good example. They have all champs that are in it listed… and yet Kabam still puts a * at the bottom of the list to make sure you realize that the champ is unavailable. This shouldn’t be necessary since one should be able to deduce the champ is not in the crystal by the list right? It is for the player so that they have less confusion.
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A good bit of Kd’s comments are just debates with other people which is fine. As for his bumping the thread I get why you would find it annoying but I also understand why, as this was a $50.00 purchase and while his bumping will have virtually no effect on how quickly the mods answer, I understand the paranoia of having it go unnoticed.
And as for the actual issue: whether it was intended or not makes no difference to me. Kabam presented 10 Cav Nexus Crystals, and as we know from other multiple rarity crystals, their nexus variants have the same drop rates. It should’ve been made more clear and I don’t think that’s up for discussion.
It's absolutely up for discussion. That's why this thread exists in the first place. I'm not sure how much clearer they could have been since they included the drop rates on the crystals with the offer like they always have.
We haven't seen any Cav Nexus crystals since they updated the drop rates in April. The last ones we had were in the daily crystal offers in the unit store and those were even higher odds if you compared them to the regular Cav crystals. So, no, we don't know what they are supposed to be since we haven't had any since the update.
Specialty crystals where certain champs are unavailable are a good example. They have all champs that are in it listed… and yet Kabam still puts a * at the bottom of the list to make sure you realize that the champ is unavailable. This shouldn’t be necessary since one should be able to deduce the champ is not in the crystal by the list right? It is for the player so that they have less confusion.
Oh hey you're back. Can't wait for your next 25 comments in 3 minutes.
A good bit of Kd’s comments are just debates with other people which is fine. As for his bumping the thread I get why you would find it annoying but I also understand why, as this was a $50.00 purchase and while his bumping will have virtually no effect on how quickly the mods answer, I understand the paranoia of having it go unnoticed.
And as for the actual issue: whether it was intended or not makes no difference to me. Kabam presented 10 Cav Nexus Crystals, and as we know from other multiple rarity crystals, their nexus variants have the same drop rates. It should’ve been made more clear and I don’t think that’s up for discussion.
It's absolutely up for discussion. That's why this thread exists in the first place. I'm not sure how much clearer they could have been since they included the drop rates on the crystals with the offer like they always have.
We haven't seen any Cav Nexus crystals since they updated the drop rates in April. The last ones we had were in the daily crystal offers in the unit store and those were even higher odds if you compared them to the regular Cav crystals. So, no, we don't know what they are supposed to be since we haven't had any since the update.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there has never been a time where nexus crystals drop rates differed from their non-nexus variants. And no, that they should’ve made the drop rates clearer is not up for discussion or we wouldn’t have had this thread in the first place. I never argued on the rates being intentional or not because we simply don’t know but they most definitely should have said somewhere besides that small little i (that I don’t blame anyone for not clicking as it’s second nature to know the rates of a cav crystal to most TB or Cav players) that the cavs had different rates.
It's been 2 days and only update we heard is "team is looking into this" . What is there to look at ? You updated cavalier crystals in April and u give people old cavalier nexus crystals in August. Back in days you gave to people corrected winter soldier&falcon crystals, free 6* CMM who opened Captain Marvel OG. In this situation right thing to do is giving people corrected cavalier crystals.
I don't even know why there is a debate. The whole notion that they are using the old drop rates on purpose just seems ridiculous to me. If that is the case why weren't the PHC Nexus crystals at 1/3 of their usual rate? The whole purpose of the nexus crystals is to further increase choice. Cavalier crystals have been buffed long enough the buffed rate is now the normal rate. The expected behavior would be the increased rates...especially when this is a Thronebreaker only deal. I don't really know why TB doesn't have their own crystals yet (how about a TB crystal that only has 4,5 and 6 stars....no 3 stars).
That would break the gold, shard, and ISO economy and almost immediately force out 7 stars.
Not really. replace 3 stars with 4 stars (so keep 5 and 6 star rates the same) and lower the amount of ISOs/Gold you get when you pull a 4 star from those crystals specifically. The extra 5 star shards isn't going to make a big difference and would have a lesser impact than when the drop rates were increased. As well we do use more gold and ISOs when leveling up a 6 star champ from rank 2 to 3 than from 1 to 2 and someone's first rank 4 is on track to happen this year. It isn't going to break the economy of the game.
Specialty crystals where certain champs are unavailable are a good example. They have all champs that are in it listed… and yet Kabam still puts a * at the bottom of the list to make sure you realize that the champ is unavailable. This shouldn’t be necessary since one should be able to deduce the champ is not in the crystal by the list right? It is for the player so that they have less confusion.
Oh hey you're back. Can't wait for your next 25 comments in 3 minutes.
A good bit of Kd’s comments are just debates with other people which is fine. As for his bumping the thread I get why you would find it annoying but I also understand why, as this was a $50.00 purchase and while his bumping will have virtually no effect on how quickly the mods answer, I understand the paranoia of having it go unnoticed.
And as for the actual issue: whether it was intended or not makes no difference to me. Kabam presented 10 Cav Nexus Crystals, and as we know from other multiple rarity crystals, their nexus variants have the same drop rates. It should’ve been made more clear and I don’t think that’s up for discussion.
It's absolutely up for discussion. That's why this thread exists in the first place. I'm not sure how much clearer they could have been since they included the drop rates on the crystals with the offer like they always have.
We haven't seen any Cav Nexus crystals since they updated the drop rates in April. The last ones we had were in the daily crystal offers in the unit store and those were even higher odds if you compared them to the regular Cav crystals. So, no, we don't know what they are supposed to be since we haven't had any since the update.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there has never been a time where nexus crystals drop rates differed from their non-nexus variants. And no, that they should’ve made the drop rates clearer is not up for discussion or we wouldn’t have had this thread in the first place. I never argued on the rates being intentional or not because we simply don’t know but they most definitely should have said somewhere besides that small little i (that I don’t blame anyone for not clicking as it’s second nature to know the rates of a cav crystal to most TB or Cav players) that the cavs had different rates.
We've only had Cavalier Class nexus crystals. We have not had any nexus Cavalier crystals since they updated them back in April. So new update, different rules.
It's 100% logical to think that the drop rates for these in the offer on Sunday should have been updated. I'm cool with that.
It's also logical to think that since they updated the drop rates in the single pull, they didn't want to update the Nexus ones because there's some serious potential there. I'm cool with that too.
I didn't buy the deal for the 10 cavs. I bought it for the 6* and sig stones.
Specialty crystals where certain champs are unavailable are a good example. They have all champs that are in it listed… and yet Kabam still puts a * at the bottom of the list to make sure you realize that the champ is unavailable. This shouldn’t be necessary since one should be able to deduce the champ is not in the crystal by the list right? It is for the player so that they have less confusion.
Oh hey you're back. Can't wait for your next 25 comments in 3 minutes.
A good bit of Kd’s comments are just debates with other people which is fine. As for his bumping the thread I get why you would find it annoying but I also understand why, as this was a $50.00 purchase and while his bumping will have virtually no effect on how quickly the mods answer, I understand the paranoia of having it go unnoticed.
And as for the actual issue: whether it was intended or not makes no difference to me. Kabam presented 10 Cav Nexus Crystals, and as we know from other multiple rarity crystals, their nexus variants have the same drop rates. It should’ve been made more clear and I don’t think that’s up for discussion.
It's absolutely up for discussion. That's why this thread exists in the first place. I'm not sure how much clearer they could have been since they included the drop rates on the crystals with the offer like they always have.
We haven't seen any Cav Nexus crystals since they updated the drop rates in April. The last ones we had were in the daily crystal offers in the unit store and those were even higher odds if you compared them to the regular Cav crystals. So, no, we don't know what they are supposed to be since we haven't had any since the update.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there has never been a time where nexus crystals drop rates differed from their non-nexus variants. And no, that they should’ve made the drop rates clearer is not up for discussion or we wouldn’t have had this thread in the first place. I never argued on the rates being intentional or not because we simply don’t know but they most definitely should have said somewhere besides that small little i (that I don’t blame anyone for not clicking as it’s second nature to know the rates of a cav crystal to most TB or Cav players) that the cavs had different rates.
We've only had Cavalier Class nexus crystals. We have not had any nexus Cavalier crystals since they updated them back in April. So new update, different rules.
It's 100% logical to think that the drop rates for these in the offer on Sunday should have been updated. I'm cool with that.
It's also logical to think that since they updated the drop rates in the single pull, they didn't want to update the Nexus ones because there's some serious potential there. I'm cool with that too.
I didn't buy the deal for the 10 cavs. I bought it for the 6* and sig stones.
Makes sense, I understand where you’re coming from for sure, though they definitely should’ve been more clear about it (if it was intentional, which again, until Kabam answers we have no clue) to avoid this whole mess. And yeah I’m the same as you, bought it for the 6* champs and sig stones though the cavs were a really nice addition especially for iso.
Still no word? Man, how long is it going to be before Kabam responds?
So it's been less than 2 working hours for Kabam since this issue came up (yesterday was a stat holiday). Hopefully we'll get something by end of business today.
It’s only around noon for them I believe (honestly don’t know their time zone for sure but someone mentioned something earlier about it) and I am sure they have a schedule to keep up with and gotta get done what they need to get done before they can make any announcements.
It’s only around noon for them I believe (honestly don’t know their time zone for sure but someone mentioned something earlier about it) and I am sure they have a schedule to keep up with and gotta get done what they need to get done before they can make any announcements.
there have been a number of things done today, including kabam boo making an official announcement about the cav eq, so they're definitely working
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Personally, I’d make the shift in game to using Greater/Lesser nomenclature (or something similar) on Cav crystals if this is a thing going forward. That change alone would probably involve more than one corporate department.
I’m sure Miike would love to have all the power and just decree what happens, but people should understand that’s not how corporate decisions work.
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A good bit of Kd’s comments are just debates with other people which is fine. As for his bumping the thread I get why you would find it annoying but I also understand why, as this was a $50.00 purchase and while his bumping will have virtually no effect on how quickly the mods answer, I understand the paranoia of having it go unnoticed.
And as for the actual issue: whether it was intended or not makes no difference to me. Kabam presented 10 Cav Nexus Crystals, and as we know from other multiple rarity crystals, their nexus variants have the same drop rates. It should’ve been made more clear and I don’t think that’s up for discussion.
We haven't seen any Cav Nexus crystals since they updated the drop rates in April. The last ones we had were in the daily crystal offers in the unit store and those were even higher odds if you compared them to the regular Cav crystals. So, no, we don't know what they are supposed to be since we haven't had any since the update.
It's 100% logical to think that the drop rates for these in the offer on Sunday should have been updated. I'm cool with that.
It's also logical to think that since they updated the drop rates in the single pull, they didn't want to update the Nexus ones because there's some serious potential there. I'm cool with that too.
I didn't buy the deal for the 10 cavs. I bought it for the 6* and sig stones.
I was hoping to find out before the offer expired yesterday.