Nexus Cav drop rates [Merged]

xNig

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

Let’s put it this way.

Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?

You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?

Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.

It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.

(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)

Wicket329

whatthewhat71 said:

The_Sentry06 said:

People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?

So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?

He’s very clearly not defending it, he’s saying that as long as the odds are published (and they are), then they are in accordance with App Store rules. This is correct.

I do not see a moral judgment being made here, and if it was an intentional move by Kabam then it would be super uncool and I’d have to reevaluate some things. But this is almost certainly an accident. An accident that, more likely than not, will result in those who purchased the offer getting another stack of 10 nexus cavaliers at the proper drop rate.

Everybody just put the torches and pitchforks down until they respond. I believe that there is some Canadian holiday today, so there may not be a proper response until tomorrow (although it’d be neat if it came today). If the response isn’t to your liking, you can start hollering at them then.

Graves_3

xNig said:

whatthewhat71 said:

The_Sentry06 said:

People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?

So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?

Technically, as long as they state the drop rates when offering the crystal, it is fair and ethical to do so.

You can try bringing your argument to a lawyer and see if you have any grounds to stand on.

I think you are confusing yourself between legal and fair/ethical. They can sometimes not be the same.

xNig

Another way to view the situation is this.

One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.

Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.

OGAvenger

xNig said:

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

Let’s put it this way.

Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?

You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?

Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.

It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.

(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)

Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.

As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him

And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?

OGAvenger

whatthewhat71 said:

xNig said:

Another way to view the situation is this.

One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.

Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.

By far the worst argument I have ever seen and its not worth arguing with you if this is your logic. Wow this is bad lol.

Literally the worst comparison to the situation I’ve seen lol

Graves_3

xNig said:

Another way to view the situation is this.

One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.

Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.

In this case the analogy is more like, they said they are selling 4K UHD TV’s from now on so you wait till you have money and then go to buy it a couple of months later. You don’t feel the need to go open the box to check what’s inside. You buy the tv and then go home and check it only to realize you got the old CRT version.

TitoBandito187

xNig said:

Another way to view the situation is this.

One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely.

Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.

Where was the television deal in this offer? I didn't see it, or was that an in game message that I missed? I get so confused where the offer details are at times since they change constantly. Probably why the drop rate being lowered in this deal, vs what was said in the April 8th announcement has people upset and wanting some corrections.

Your analogy stinks. In that scenario, the regular price is always there and goes in sale for a limited time. What happened here is the regular price (cav drop rates) wasn't made better, it was made worse for a limited time and people didn't catch it, because they weren't expecting it.

Thanos1149

xNig said:

Another way to view the situation is this.

One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.

Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.

That’s really not a good comparison since they said it would be a permanent change to the cav crystals. If the shop said there was a permanent 50% discount on all items forever and then they remove, then yeah it’s their fault. But this was mostly a mistake anyway so wait for the right crystals to be distributed.

xNig

Graves_3 said:

xNig said:

whatthewhat71 said:

The_Sentry06 said:

People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?

So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?

Technically, as long as they state the drop rates when offering the crystal, it is fair and ethical to do so.

You can try bringing your argument to a lawyer and see if you have any grounds to stand on.

I think you are confusing yourself between legal and fair/ethical. They can sometimes not be the same.

The thing is, it is fair and ethical to do so simply because they published the drop rates before people can purchase it.

People who said they purchased the crystals definitely said they “thought” they were the new crystals.

I can’t walk into an Apple store and say, “I thought the iPhone for selling for $1.” Then demand to be able to buy it at $1, despite the store clearly stating the price there.

See what I’m getting at?

Also, an argument of “I didn’t know it was the old crystals” doesn’t work simply because ignorance isn’t a reason.

What I’m saying is, whoever bought this deal knew what they were getting themselves into. If they didn’t, they did not do their homework prior to a purchase.

In the conventional market, there should be a regret period and therefore, for this situation, everyone has their right to ask for a refund from the App Store or Kabam.

Wicket329

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

Let’s put it this way.

Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?

You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?

Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.

It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.

(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)

Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.

As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him

And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?

I have an extensive legal background, there is nothing illegal about this.

If intentional, it is gross for sure. I wholeheartedly agree with that. But again, I do not believe this was intentional. We just need to wait for a response. I’m withholding any kind of moral/ethical judgment until then.

Joker1976

…kind of a common sense thing to know what your buying before you buy it. First thing I did was check the drop rates …cause well it’s nexus cav’s which is a different deal then the last daily Cav card. The deal was mainly for the shards and drop rates were provided .

…Moral of the story I guess is maybe to look before one buys??

The_Sentry06

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

Let’s put it this way.

Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?

You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?

Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.

It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.

(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)

Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.

As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him

And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?

Yes as a community, we can have an uproar and whatever we want. It will damage Kabam's reputation and damage their goodwill. But LEGALLY they can do this. Doesn't make it good. The only reason we have drop rates in most crystals in-game is because Apple and Google made it mandatory or something.

Schmittonyou2

If I’m spending money ... I’m gonna look at what I’m buying. Just saying

xNig

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

Let’s put it this way.

Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?

You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?

Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.

It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.

(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)

Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.

As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him

And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?

🤷🏻‍♂️ Whether I have legal background or not, you won’t believe what I say either way. If you fly over to my country, I’ll tell it to you in person that it’s legal. 😊

Yup, always an uproar on their hands from people who like to cry and whine when they regret buying something, and hope that they can change the results of their poor pulls.

I would like to see someone who pulled a 6* nexus from the crystals say they want a clawback of their pulls, then be compensated with 10 new crystals.

xNig

Graves_3 said:

xNig said:

Another way to view the situation is this.

One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.

Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.

In this case the analogy is more like, they said they are selling 4K UHD TV’s from now on so you wait till you have money and then go to buy it a couple of months later. You don’t feel the need to go open the box to check what’s inside. You buy the tv and then go home and check it only to realize you got the old CRT version.

Yeah thanks. That’s a better analogy. In this situation, the reasonable thing to do is ask for a refund ya?

TheBair123

Anyone know if they have offered cav nexuses before? If so, when was it? It might have just been a copy-and-paste deal from before the updated the drop rates

xNig

Schmittonyou2 said:

If I’m spending money ... I’m gonna look at what I’m buying. Just saying

Haha you might be surprised at how many people don’t read what they’re getting into.

Bigfoot33

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

Let’s put it this way.

Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?

It does make sense, you read the contract before signing or you could be stuck with a 40% APR.

KABAM teaching life lessons.

Kd101

I am upset that they didn’t mention the drop rate change if it was intended. If it was intentional then it should have been mentioned for sure. It was a great deal, but how could a drop rate slip through when it was such a big important improvement that has been in place for a while now.

Wicket329

TheBair123 said:

Anyone know if they have offered cav nexuses before? If so, when was it? It might have just been a copy-and-paste deal from before the updated the drop rates

I don’t believe they offered basic cav nexus crystals since the drop rate change. I would assume that this is what happened, just somebody working too quickly and didn’t notice they had the old rates. Happens all the time, and far more likely than somebody spending the time to revert back to the old settings from the new ones.

Kd101

Bigfoot33 said:

Nexus cav crystals = whatever drop rate they CLEARLY posted if you read the fine print

Unpopular opinion: I feel this falls on whoever spent and didn't read the details.

Bigfoot33 said:

Nexus cav crystals = whatever drop rate they CLEARLY posted if you read the fine print

Unpopular opinion: I feel this falls on whoever spent and didn't read the details.

This issue isn’t about legality in that sense… it’s about the relationship between the players and the game developers. They changed it back without mentioning it in their advertisement through the update section of your notifications right? If so, then this was downplaying the significance in hopes of people not noticing and that will be perceived as so and the relationship will get worse.

Rookiie

xNig said:

Graves_3 said:

xNig said:

whatthewhat71 said:

The_Sentry06 said:

People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?

So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?

Technically, as long as they state the drop rates when offering the crystal, it is fair and ethical to do so.

You can try bringing your argument to a lawyer and see if you have any grounds to stand on.

I think you are confusing yourself between legal and fair/ethical. They can sometimes not be the same.

I can’t walk into an Apple store and say, “I thought the iPhone for selling for $1.” Then demand to be able to buy it at $1, despite the store clearly stating the price there.

See what I’m getting at?

Also, an argument of “I didn’t know it was the old crystals” doesn’t work simply because ignorance isn’t a reason.

That's the wrong analogy. You can't just enforce your analogy and call everyone ignorant.

Here's the right analogy for the situation.

Google have announced that they're discontinuing the Snapdragon 670 processor and going with the Snapdragon 845 processor.

10 months later, you walk into a Google store and ask for the latest Google Pixel. At this point, you're taking it for granted that all Google Pixels are going to have a Snapdragon 845 processor. That's how consumerism works. What's on display is meant to be the latest, the best.

No. You go home and find out that your latest Google Pixel has a 670 processor. But wait? I thought those were discontinued? What gives?

You can't cover this situation with: "Well, you didn't read the specs." If Google were so willing to put an advertising campaign that the processor was getting upgraded, they should have screamed as loud when some models were being sold with the lesser grade version.

As @Scarcity27 put it, that's false advertising. Ignorance is not the only factor at play. In fact, you could forgive users for being trusting of Kabam, and that's why so many users here are frustrated and causing commotion.

Joker1976

Kd101 said:

I am upset that they didn’t mention the drop rate change if it was intended. If it was intentional then it should have been mentioned for sure. It was a great deal, but how could a drop rate slip through when it was such a big important improvement that has been in place for a while now.

It was mentioned though ,…in the drop rates ! That is why they are provided so people know what they are getting into. They aren’t Cav crystals , they are Cav nexus crystals ,…drop rates vary between different types of crystals,….just sayin.

OGAvenger

xNig said:

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

OGAvenger said:

xNig said:

Let’s put it this way.

Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?

You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?

Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.

It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.

(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)

Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.

As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him

And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?

🤷🏻‍♂️ Whether I have legal background or not, you won’t believe what I say either way. If you fly over to my country, I’ll tell it to you in person that it’s legal. 😊

Yup, always an uproar on their hands from people who like to cry and whine when they regret buying something, and hope that they can change the results of their poor pulls.

I would like to see someone who pulled a 6* nexus from the crystals say they want a clawback of their pulls, then be compensated with 10 new crystals.

I didn’t even buy the deal because I saw what was happening from the forums before I saw the offer in game.

It’s still very shady. Never said I thought it was illegal. Just very shady

Joker1976

…also within a regular Cav crystal one has a .60% chance to get a 6* nexus,…in the daily Cav card deal I believe the nexus 6* chance was .80%

….anyone get what I’m sayin here??
Looks to me the chances increased if anything .