**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
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I said they can choose to accommodate the extreme resources given. And they can do that by giving out more revives. So what if they end up giving some people revives than they used? It’s not going to end the game. It’ll keep people happy in one of the games most buggy 2 months.
Yes, those resources affect the game, but what awful thing do you think will happen if people get some extra revives? What is possibly going to unbalance the game?
10 of each level of Revive....so 50? 60? Honestly, you asked what reasonable is. That's not it.
Oh no we can't POSSIBLY have that happen! GatekeeperWisdomless strikes again!
My point being, we can easily fit the reasonable amount of revives in our overflow.
Ok, I’m asking you what would go so wrong if Kabam compensated closer to what was lost in the bug.
Before bug: people had X revives.
During bug: people used Y revives.
After bug: people have X - Y revives.
Compensation gives Y revives or close to that.
After compensation: people have X revives or close to it.
So what is so game breaking about people being given revives. If we said 30 revives. What game breaking outcome is there? And even if someone lost 0 revives in the bug, not reasonable, but let’s go with it, what gamebreaking thing could they do with those revives? What is going to get unbalanced?
My point: I give the relief package a much better than passing grade—in fact, I think it’s pretty decent (especially in light of the fact we were all pretty much ghosted, cited or deleted the last few weeks).
Could it have been better? Yes—pots were a little light, and after looking back at it I realize incursions were neglected. Should have just let the incursion special objectives roll over for a few weeks.
Could it have been worse? Oh yeah…
Dr. Zola
Honestly, if you showed me the compensation package as it is now, but with 30 revives, I'd be really happy with it. My issue is the revives. A lot of my feedback seems negative, but only because a few people are set on debating whether 15 revives is enough, people don't seem to want to debate whether I think things are good.
I think the community is mostly in agreement that the compensation is good in some places, but it's the revives that are lacking.
If you had to revive through SOP Emma because she's a hard fight, that's not the same as reviving because you did a parry and it missed. You don't get compensation for using revives, it's for reviving due to the bug causing your death rather than your own inabilities.
Obviously some of the deaths will be due to the bug - but you can't just miss-time a parry and blame Kabam for that.
Just saying… 🤔
@DrZola for the record the compensation was higher in the champion stuff and lower in the potion stuff than I predicted and was expecting, which is a little unexpected. In general, Kabam tends to be more generous with consumables that have a limited impact on the game economy and more cautious with direct rewards, like Nexus crystals and the like. In this case, I believe the thought process was that if players did the advisable thing and instead of pushing through content they backed down to content they could still reasonably do with the bugs in force, the cost to players would be less in potions and more in opportunity cost (missing out on rewards).
Of course there will always be nuances and individualized circumstances going on, so any generalization will be iffy, but in very broad terms when something makes the game harder than it ought to be, the reasonable short term solution is to try to live with it and hope it abates, but the longer term solution when the problem persists should be to back off until the problem resolves rather than spend unlimited resources to overpower the problem. That's what Kabam themselves advised, and that's the general idea that I think the compensation packages appear to reflect.
This is all to a first order approximation. Of course things are not that simple, but in this situation there is no way to make everyone whole and keep the game running. The problems were simply too widespread and affected players in too diverse of a way, and MCOC is not equipped to compensate players in a flexible and prompt manner. This was a compromise. Content 100% under player discretion (solo content) could be backed down. AQ which is connected to alliances could also be backed down to an extent, but not with the same flexibility so AQ had specific weekly compensation to keep things moving there. War, is war. War always sucks, but it at least sucks equally.
I'm not saying the compensation was perfect or Kabam's communication about the issues was perfect. Far from it. I'm only saying there's a reasonable thought process that leads here, when the devs were faced with constraints on what they could do to compensate for the issues while still keeping the game running and where there's no general consensus on how to deal with each individual game mode.
Map 6 and 7 to some players is difficult content, as is War at all levels depending on the individual. But by that logic, the same can be said for Cav EQ or Uncollected. Or Sector 7 or 8 Incursions. Under normal circumstances a great player will find these things trivial, but with the in game issues some people have found it much harder to the point of not wanting to even attempt them when the game is literally putting them at a disadvantage. I guess my main issues are that Kabak could have put out more regular questing packages to help this to some extent, and it would have made the overall item portion of this main package feel a little more reasonable given the time that issues have been prevalent. But what we got, for the time that it's been going on, is way off mark. Especially given the types of content that have been available during this period.
As I said, what Kabam have said, and what they haven't even addressed up until this point, seeming contradicts their actions overall.
This is just from the perspective of someone who didn't need the compensation, due to not having issues, who feels a little bad for those who have had to struggle through the last couple of months for a game that they love and want to see running well.
This thread is trying to discuss the relief package substantively and without resorting to ad hominems, cheap shots and diversions. You’re welcome here if you have meaningful input—and that’s something that (regrettably) the mods do a poor job of policing.
Please govern yourself accordingly.
Dr. Zola
For me, I really appreciated the crystals and thought they were relatively on par with what I expected. The selection offered in T5CC and through the glory store was nice. The revives and potions were pretty rough though. In any normal months without huge content dropping, 15 would be totally reasonable. Kabam did suggest that we focus on content that wasn’t hard, but then proceeded to drop super endgame time sensitive content with unusually great rewards. Maybe the very top of players didn’t struggle to do every SOP fight and explore the finale, but for a player who is not willing to spend and doesn’t waste away grinding arena, this was a bit of a challenge.
I did plenty of practice runs and managed my revives well, but in fights where the average 5/65 takes 250-400 hits to KO the opponent and uses unusual tactics (increased power gain, limber, the damage through block one, spite, acid wash, etc) there are probably more than 100 dash backs per fights, quite a few parries, and that’s assuming you play perfectly and The game doesn’t lag or drop an input. I probably averages 10-15 revives per path that I could do, but without unitman, I just am about to finish a fifth path/objective. If I had about 10-15 more revives, I could handle that last path, but I also was waiting to see how generous Kabam would be with compensation, and trying to avoid any more competence bugs, so I left three paths until the compensation came out. Imagine my delight (lol) when it had 15 revives total and 15 health potions…… I can almost guarantee you that about half of my deaths in the SOP finale were due to lag, evades that registered incorrectly, or parries that registered incorrectly (or not at all). The other weeks of sop were fine because you could just quit out, but with 6 paths and some very specific counters required, and a maximum of two weeks when the game is on the fritz? Doesn’t make much sense. Could I have just not done it? Possibly, but leaving that many rewards on the table just doesn’t make sense. I like playing the game to challenge myself, not network connectivity and server errors.
Sorry this has been so long. Thanks for attending my TEDrant.
I’m so tired of having to complain about this game being broken or unfair.
Although I'll take ownership for losing patience with the conversation.
When we take it upon ourselves to discuss the possibilities Kabam can consider to deliver our expectations, when they've already spent a significant amount of time weighing what's within the limits of what is reasonable, then we're entering arrogance territory. They're quite aware of what they can and cannot do.
No one is trying to cheat anyone out of anything here. They're not trying to be stingy or irreverent to the issues. I get people losing patience. I get people thinking it's not enough for them. I get the frustration. All of that is part-and-parcel for the Forum. What I don't get is the demanding nature of how these things are communicated. The cavalier attitude that they can just whip some up, adjust the overflow, and that's all there is to it. Not correct. Not at all. "I want what I want and you can make it happen."
I'm not saying it was enough or it wasn't either way. Personally I used 2k Units on a pass at The Champion where Dex wasn't triggering properly for the last 10%. I get it. I just also understand there are limits to what they can gauge in a generic package.