Guillotine buff is here !!

Rohit_316

https://youtu.be/QuQ2RgLzquM

Spotlight has still not been released . Should come in few minutes . Till then here's the overhaul notes. Looks good to me . Maybe we expected too much considering she was "people's choice" and Hercules too and he turned out to be broken OP. Lemme know your thoughts too.

odishika123

Finger's crossed that it'll be good

odishika123

That damage seems crazy on paper

SpideyFunko

haven’t watched the video, hope they didn’t nerf the regen

BitterSteel

SpideyFunko said:

haven’t watched the video, hope they didn’t nerf the regen

It’s been changed, she heals 2% of all damage dealt to the opponent. Including bleed damage, I think this could be huge

Edit: I no longer think this could be huge

The_Sentry06

Her damage and sustainability seems to be good but she's a little light on utility no?

odishika123

Welp the massive damage on sp3 is gone....

Saiyan

BitterSteel said:

SpideyFunko said:

haven’t watched the video, hope they didn’t nerf the regen

It’s been changed, she heals 2% of all damage dealt to the opponent. Including bleed damage, I think this could be huge

ALL damage meaning anything that applies with Nodes or outside abilities as well. If a node allows you do do damage to the enemy then she should also heal from that. I wanna see her in action first.

Rohit_316

Non physical damage is reflected as physical damage . So basically she can reflect recoil.

Sp1 is same

Sp2 is same

Sp3 causes degen now . Not sure if that was previously as well ..

Bleed debuff damage has been increased.

Some new cool name utility like Pain link has been added . She goes passively unblockable during special attacks in unslacked mode.

When either champ loses 5% health she gains 1 bleed curse

At 10 + bleed cirse , she goes unslacked . And that's where the big damage is.

Surfinwalrus

Wasn't her chance to bleed for each critical hit 50%, why is it 35% now

Saiyan

One thing I wanted kabam NOT to touch was her SP3 and here we are. She went from having the hardest hitting SP3 in game to doing some ok damage.

Yall really just change an attack that can cut off health pools in a second to just do some damage over time? I get that it was hard to set up but it was possible AND vs enemies like AOL or LOL, even 1 souls was the 50k or 85k damage cap. Oh Kabam, you silly goose.

She does look better but jeez.

BitterSteel

Ok, so here’s what I’m thinking. Her buff looks very nice, damage will be insane I’m sure of it. We will see a lot of RoL takedowns very quickly. Get to 15 or so soul charges (each one adds 150 attack or so), use a heavy attack and throw a special. It’s going to drain the opponent. But after damage, I’m not seeing a lot of use that she doesn’t already have.

In terms of utility she just seems so light, she can’t deal with buffs like a normal mystic.

Her heal I think won’t be super strong but will be decent. Throughout defeating Winter Soldier (550k damage), she will heal 11k health. That’s about 40% of a 5* max health (without masteries). If I’ve missed something let me know, but 2% of 550k isn’t difficult to work out…

Her special 1 ability doesn’t ignore damage, just shares it. A 5k damage burst is going to barely tickle the opponent, but is sizeable for you. So not much use.

With her sp2 I’m not sure whether the values in Mike’s video are right, but it could be decent for reversal? 20 second spectre could be nice. But really, it’s not enough to be the crux of a champion.

The sig is nice ish, but it looks like the chance to trigger a rupture will be what scales, so sig 200 just to allow her to face bleed immune match ups.

Overall: Damage looks awesome, can’t wait to shred some match ups. Utility looks overwhelmingly mediocre. I’d be happy with this utility in 2017. I feel like I’m repeating myself from yesterday with the Thor buff, great damage, poor utility. It seems like Kabam just don’t want to give champs utility

Cassy

Is there a link to a text version of the spotlight?

Rohit_316

Surfinwalrus said:

Wasn't her chance to bleed for each critical hit 50%, why is it 35% now

Yes they decreased it .

Rohit_316

Cassy said:

Is there a link to a text version of the spotlight?

It's not out yet.

AverageDesi

is the change to her sp2 a nerf? currently it just says reverses all regen. but in the buffed one it is reduce by 200%. which would mean an opponent with 100%increased regen would merely have the regen shut down to 0%

slacker

It's seem like this buff also give her friendly with suicide, since she can heal and reduce recoil damage if that count as non-physical, but yeah she still lack utility for a mystic champ

Saiyan

BitterSteel said:

Saiyan said:

Saiyan said:

One thing I wanted kabam NOT to touch was her SP3 and here we are. She went from having the hardest hitting SP3 in game to doing some ok damage.

Yall really just change an attack that can cut off health pools in a second to just do some damage over time? I get that it was hard to set up but it was possible AND vs enemies like AOL or LOL, even 1 souls was the 50k or 85k damage cap. Oh Kabam, you silly goose.

She does look better but jeez.

I see people disagree with me yet no one replied.

Someone tell me, what did I say wrong?

Explain to me what was the good change in her SP3 that allowed a 2* champ to take a health pool like WS down from 90% health to 0% in a single SP3?

Tell me how (on paper) her new SP3 looks better.

When people disagree with @odishika123 w fingers crossed it’ll be good, I really wouldn’t put too much stock into people spamming disagrees. If someone cared enough or had a good point about what you’ve said they will comment and tell you. Until then, disagree spamming is a thing

Fair enough.

So far from reading her details, I'm nervous about her buff.

I'm one of the few people who was saying all she needs is a moderate buff with some better numbers and extra utility but alot of people on these very forums were telling me I was wrong and she needs an overhaul.

No. She didn't. She was good as is. They just needed to roll some of her synergies into her base kit with some new utility and that was that.

Hoitado

Saiyan said:

BitterSteel said:

Saiyan said:

Saiyan said:

One thing I wanted kabam NOT to touch was her SP3 and here we are. She went from having the hardest hitting SP3 in game to doing some ok damage.

Yall really just change an attack that can cut off health pools in a second to just do some damage over time? I get that it was hard to set up but it was possible AND vs enemies like AOL or LOL, even 1 souls was the 50k or 85k damage cap. Oh Kabam, you silly goose.

She does look better but jeez.

I see people disagree with me yet no one replied.

Someone tell me, what did I say wrong?

Explain to me what was the good change in her SP3 that allowed a 2* champ to take a health pool like WS down from 90% health to 0% in a single SP3?

Tell me how (on paper) her new SP3 looks better.

When people disagree with @odishika123 w fingers crossed it’ll be good, I really wouldn’t put too much stock into people spamming disagrees. If someone cared enough or had a good point about what you’ve said they will comment and tell you. Until then, disagree spamming is a thing

Fair enough.

So far from reading her details, I'm nervous about her buff.

I'm one of the few people who was saying all she needs is a moderate buff with some better numbers and extra utility but alot of people on these very forums were telling me I was wrong and she needs an overhaul.

No. She didn't. She was good as is. They just needed to roll some of her synergies into her base kit with some new utility and that was that.

So you’d rather have Old Guillotine than the new one. Ok

BitterSteel

Saiyan said:

BitterSteel said:

Saiyan said:

Saiyan said:

One thing I wanted kabam NOT to touch was her SP3 and here we are. She went from having the hardest hitting SP3 in game to doing some ok damage.

Yall really just change an attack that can cut off health pools in a second to just do some damage over time? I get that it was hard to set up but it was possible AND vs enemies like AOL or LOL, even 1 souls was the 50k or 85k damage cap. Oh Kabam, you silly goose.

She does look better but jeez.

I see people disagree with me yet no one replied.

Someone tell me, what did I say wrong?

Explain to me what was the good change in her SP3 that allowed a 2* champ to take a health pool like WS down from 90% health to 0% in a single SP3?

Tell me how (on paper) her new SP3 looks better.

When people disagree with @odishika123 w fingers crossed it’ll be good, I really wouldn’t put too much stock into people spamming disagrees. If someone cared enough or had a good point about what you’ve said they will comment and tell you. Until then, disagree spamming is a thing

Fair enough.

So far from reading her details, I'm nervous about her buff.

I'm one of the few people who was saying all she needs is a moderate buff with some better numbers and extra utility but alot of people on these very forums were telling me I was wrong and she needs an overhaul.

No. She didn't. She was good as is. They just needed to roll some of her synergies into her base kit with some new utility and that was that.

I mean to be absolutely fair, an overhaul *could* have worked for Guilly, they just decided not to give her the utility she needed.

TheLegend27

That SP1 would be interesting if Guillotine's Life Siphon mechanic increased to like 50%-85% health regen while Pain Link debuff is active on the enemy.

Otherwise, seems pretty impractical.

Saiyan

Hoitado said:

Saiyan said:

BitterSteel said:

Saiyan said:

Saiyan said:

One thing I wanted kabam NOT to touch was her SP3 and here we are. She went from having the hardest hitting SP3 in game to doing some ok damage.

Yall really just change an attack that can cut off health pools in a second to just do some damage over time? I get that it was hard to set up but it was possible AND vs enemies like AOL or LOL, even 1 souls was the 50k or 85k damage cap. Oh Kabam, you silly goose.

She does look better but jeez.

I see people disagree with me yet no one replied.

Someone tell me, what did I say wrong?

Explain to me what was the good change in her SP3 that allowed a 2* champ to take a health pool like WS down from 90% health to 0% in a single SP3?

Tell me how (on paper) her new SP3 looks better.

When people disagree with @odishika123 w fingers crossed it’ll be good, I really wouldn’t put too much stock into people spamming disagrees. If someone cared enough or had a good point about what you’ve said they will comment and tell you. Until then, disagree spamming is a thing

Fair enough.

So far from reading her details, I'm nervous about her buff.

I'm one of the few people who was saying all she needs is a moderate buff with some better numbers and extra utility but alot of people on these very forums were telling me I was wrong and she needs an overhaul.

No. She didn't. She was good as is. They just needed to roll some of her synergies into her base kit with some new utility and that was that.

So you’d rather have Old Guillotine than the new one. Ok

Not sure yet, I wanna see her in action to be sure BUT on paper I'd rather the old one with synergies.

I honestly, truly think the players who are jumping in now never even played her before or much and just assume this buff is better but as I keep brining up, her sp3 is now trash compared to before.

Her life steal might be trash to before also. Yes it was 10% chance BUT when you souls, she was healing MORE than the damage she did.

Example: Lets say sig 200 Guilly with say 12 souls that's %165 she would be healing from whatever the hit damage was. Say she did a medium that was 7k damage. She would then regen for 11,550 health total from a single hit. Add in some more synergies and lets say she's on 16 souls, she would then heal 15,400 instead.

It was RGN based but it also worked amazingly when you did get it. As @BitterSteel said above. 2% of WS health is just over 11k. Even at 10% chance the Old Guilly would out regen that in longer matches with over 500K health.

GroundedWisdom

No_oneuk said:

I wonder if Kabam will ultimately understand at some point that a buff would be far more successful if they only add things, not take things away.

You can't always just add. You have to balance whatever you add among the existing Abilities. That requires reducing some things.

Bendy

I kinda like her new kit than old tbh i think this could be interesting also we have to think about what the synergies be from gamora night thrasher ms etc since it seems like a different mechanic there using now than what them 3 do for her

SpideyFunko

https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-guillotine/

Text version @Cassy

Maratox

The Guillotine buff is woefully sad for an overhaul. This was my initial grief with her buff was that she shouldn’t be an overhaul. Thor Rags is getting a value buff and I thought guillotine was better than him before hand. And her buff currently feels like a shoddily thrown together moderate buff. She was missing utility and needed a bit more damage. And that’s what they gave her. That’s not an overhaul it’s a moderate update.

GroundedWisdom

I'm looking forward to testing her out. It's also important to note her Regen was unstable before and RNG-dependent. Now it's a guaranteed 2% from all Damage, including Bleed. So as you ramp her up more, you Regen more steadily.

yuw

A worse version of dragonman it looks like

No_oneuk

GroundedWisdom said:

No_oneuk said:

I wonder if Kabam will ultimately understand at some point that a buff would be far more successful if they only add things, not take things away.

You can't always just add. You have to balance whatever you add among the existing Abilities. That requires reducing some things.

A character balance, sure. Like with Namor or HT or something.

But she was picked because she's a lacking character that needs more added to her to make her balanced and usable. She had a good base kit, which they could have added some more utility/abilities onto, whilst boosting up the damage of her already existing ones.

There was just no reason to scrap off old bits of kit to add others...

Kerneas

Well, lets just hope the synergies remain

RiderofHell

Geez nothing will satisfy this community ever!. Devs had to figure out what buff to give her and now that they did. Half community thinks it's bad 🤦‍♂️. Wait till it's live the buff before judging something

You guys want op stuff go play fortnite lmao