Carnage buff

Landroid

Make carnage more like the movie with fury and better bleed

Ercarret

He already has fury and his bleeds can deal an absurd amount of damage. It would be nice to see his kit get a little bit of love, but if so I would prefer if he got more utility and sustainability. If they spruced up his SP2 and SP3 so that you weren't always relying on his SP1 all the time, and maybe made him take less damage from bleeds and poisons if the opponent was either bleeding or armor broken, he could become a lot more viable with suicides.

Vindicator_of_mcoc

Eggxactly

Alfa_Pigeon

Highly disappointing champ, just pulled him as a 6* today, very upset. There is a reason my 5x duped 5* is sitting at rank 2 while my Venom is 5/65. Carnage is pretty useless, no immunities, can't counter spider evades like Venom. Buff Carnage please, he is supposedly superior to Venom in comic lore.

LibertyPrimeV1

He already had a Buff, he was one of the earliest to get one along with Venom, and he still has One of the Highest Damage Potentials in the game. As well the Red Goblin Synergy gave him a Massive Boost by Halving his Ramp Up and allowing it to extend beyond the Permanent Buffs, definitely could use some Utility but he's faaar from useless with the amount of Buffs/Debuffs, Damage, and Power Gain he has.

Alfa_Pigeon

He is comparatively useless to Venom. Limited usability in majority of content, a good champ can stand alone and not need another dud like Red Goblin wasting space on a team to make him usable. He needs another rework to make him as usable in multiple content like Venom. Maw had multiple buffs, Carnage needs it too, champs like CGR makes him so worthless in comparison.

LibertyPrimeV1

Alfa_Pigeon said:

He is comparatively useless to Venom. Limited usability in majority of content, a good champ can stand alone and not need another dud like Red Goblin wasting space on a team to make him usable. He needs another rework to make him as usable in multiple content like Venom. Maw had multiple buffs, Carnage needs it too, champs like CGR makes him so worthless in comparison.

Who said anything about Comparisons?
A Champion can still be Good and rely on Synergies (even if the Activator is a dud, which Red Goblin isn't), obvious example should be Ghost and Colossus.
Also I never said he didn't need another Rework, hell I said in my comment he could really use some Utility as all he has is Damage Utility, and don't expect a Rework to make him Venom or CGR Level because you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. (1 they already said they won't be making anymore Insane Reworks like Colossus/Magneto Level, 2 a Rework could mess up his Existing Kit like what happen to Guilly and alike, and 3 he's not as you say Useless as he crushes all the Cosmic Cav Monthlies as well not everyone has Venom/CGR)

Alfa_Pigeon

Hence the problem, Carnage and Venom got buffed at the same time and one is so vastly superior and useful while the other is not even close in utility, champs should be balanced and not be so vastly inferior to another not to mention how unbalanced these "buffs" are. Colossus is vastly useful, OML isn't even good, Red Mags is a game changer while White Mags pale in comparison. Carnage definitely needs to be re buffed.

LibertyPrimeV1

Alfa_Pigeon said:

Hence the problem, Carnage and Venom got buffed at the same time and one is so vastly superior and useful while the other is not even close in utility, champs should be balanced and not be so vastly inferior to another not to mention how unbalanced these "buffs" are. Colossus is vastly useful, OML isn't even good, Red Mags is a game changer while White Mags pale in comparison. Carnage definitely needs to be re buffed.

Having the Duos always be equal is Incredibly Unrealistic, Especially with how the Rework System is set up now.
Also you don't know what you're talking about dissing White Mags, one of the Best Support Champions and handles fights on his own just fine. Comparisons are incredibly unfair because everyone is gonna look terrible compared to Red Mags for example, you're entire judgement system is flawed if you're comparing every Champion to one other calling the lesser one useless just because they don't stand up to the other one in every way. OML as well is good in his own right, comparing him to the Immunities+Tank God that is Colossus is laughable because OML doesn't have a Comparable Kit and is built Completely Different.

Agent_X_zzz

Alfa_Pigeon said:

Hence the problem, Carnage and Venom got buffed at the same time and one is so vastly superior and useful while the other is not even close in utility, champs should be balanced and not be so vastly inferior to another not to mention how unbalanced these "buffs" are. Colossus is vastly useful, OML isn't even good, Red Mags is a game changer while White Mags pale in comparison. Carnage definitely needs to be re buffed.

Anyone who says wags is meh or not a game changer defo doesn’t play war

DNA3000

Alfa_Pigeon said:

Hence the problem, Carnage and Venom got buffed at the same time and one is so vastly superior and useful while the other is not even close in utility, champs should be balanced and not be so vastly inferior to another not to mention how unbalanced these "buffs" are. Colossus is vastly useful, OML isn't even good, Red Mags is a game changer while White Mags pale in comparison. Carnage definitely needs to be re buffed.

Bedsides what others have pointed out, I’ll add that it isn’t always obvious which updates will be more valued by the players when they first come out. When Venom and Carnage were updated, there was a lot more positive buzz surrounding Carnage than Venom. Venom’s utility was under appreciated at the time, and it took a while for his utility to be fully appreciated. In fact, I would argue it is still slightly underappreciated.

It is easy to say “make everything equal” but value is highly subjective and evolving. There is no objective measure of champion strength to judge updates on. White Mags was also highly underappreciated initially, but over time became more respected for his unique utility. The Queen of underappreciated updates was also one of the earliest: Magik. She wasn’t just underappreciated, her update was originally *hated*. And look at her now.

LibertyPrimeV1

DNA3000 said:

Alfa_Pigeon said:

Hence the problem, Carnage and Venom got buffed at the same time and one is so vastly superior and useful while the other is not even close in utility, champs should be balanced and not be so vastly inferior to another not to mention how unbalanced these "buffs" are. Colossus is vastly useful, OML isn't even good, Red Mags is a game changer while White Mags pale in comparison. Carnage definitely needs to be re buffed.

When Venom and Carnage were updated, there was a lot more positive buzz surrounding Carnage than Venom. Venom’s utility was under appreciated at the time, and it took a while for his utility to be fully appreciated. In fact, I would argue it is still slightly underappreciated.

I completely forgot about that, even then everyone was only focused on the Big Yellow Numbers...