Why is the side quest so difficult?

Expertgui

There must be a challenge, yeah that's true

But it is impossible with a wrong choice of champion (or if you don't have a good champion for it) and there is no way to do it again because you have only one entry per day. Seriously kabam, fix the game, listen to the community and then do challenging missions, please

WOLF_LINK

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

LibertyPrimeV1

This genuinely feels like a bit much for the Repeatable Required Quest Type, the 2 Champions running up to the Boss aren't an Issue but why does the Repeat Boss have 700% HP and 300% Attack?
The Agent Venom Boss in the T5CC Quest hits 1k Mediums into your Block and Blocked Sp1s take of 12% of your Health with Class Weakness, not to mention he has 120% Purify Chance and Armored Assault plus Hit Me I Dare You so he's almost always Unblockable unless you make one of your Two Champions a Mystic to Nullify...

Not saying it Needs to be changed but this just seems like a lot for This Type of Quest which is usually on the lower end since you have to Repeat the Quest Multiple Times and it's Required to do the other SQ, as well the Type that reduces the amount of Champions you can bring.

LibertyPrimeV1

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

This genuinely feels like a bit much for the Repeatable Required Quest Type, the 2 Champions running up to the Boss aren't an Issue but why does the Repeat Boss have 700% HP and 300% Attack?
The Agent Venom Boss in the T5CC Quest hits 1k Mediums into your Block and Blocked Sp1s take of 12% of your Health with Class Weakness, not to mention he has 120% Purify Chance and Armored Assault plus Hit Me I Dare You so he's almost always Unblockable unless you make one of your Two Champions a Mystic to Nullify...

Not saying it Needs to be changed but this just seems like a lot for This Type of Quest which is usually on the lower end since you have to Repeat the Quest Multiple Times and it's Required to do the other SQ, as well the Type that reduces the amount of Champions you can bring.

Right the Specials deal so much because of the Stacking Prowess, I forgot that bit... Definitely Do Not attempt this with Apocalypse

DrZola

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

LibertyPrimeV1

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

LibertyPrimeV1

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

Was 1% of a Random T5CC really worth This Much Protection? 😂

GroundedWisdom

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

Was 1% of a Random T5CC really worth This Much Protection? 😂

Use Doom on him.

LibertyPrimeV1

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

Was 1% of a Random T5CC really worth This Much Protection? 😂

Use Doom on him.

Ah yes because Everyone has Doom 😂

GroundedWisdom

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

Was 1% of a Random T5CC really worth This Much Protection? 😂

Use Doom on him.

Ah yes because Everyone has Doom 😂

Just a tip. I used him and didn't face as much stress. He Nullifies. Just spam the L1.

LibertyPrimeV1

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

Was 1% of a Random T5CC really worth This Much Protection? 😂

Use Doom on him.

Ah yes because Everyone has Doom 😂

Just a tip. I used him and didn't face as much stress. He Nullifies. Just spam the L1.

Doesn't change the fact when all you say is "Use Doom" it doesn't help those of us who weren't lucky enough to pull Doom as a 5 or 6 Star. (or hell even 4 Star...)

Wally_Woofer

I could be completely wrong, but has anyone considered that it may be considerably easier after the Summoned Symbiote is ranked up and employed to the quest?

DrZola

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

Was 1% of a Random T5CC really worth This Much Protection? 😂

Use Doom on him.

Ah yes because Everyone has Doom 😂

Just a tip. I used him and didn't face as much stress. He Nullifies. Just spam the L1.

I’m genuinely curious:

Did you need items? Did you do Legendary? What was your team? Did you rely on power management to reduce the number of Sp1s you had to block? Did you rely on heavy to stagger the armor up/unblockable buffs? What was your approach?

Dr. Zola

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Moosetiptronic

If you don't have a 5/65 or r2 venom or AA, what's the best solution to symbiote Spiderman? The sp1 plus the degrading block node and massive fury he gets from parry stun, makes him annoying too. Used 2 20% revives on my first try.

Tried him and agent venom (used Diablo on AV and did ok, but needed a revive) and both are pains. 35 5/65 or above and not sure I've the solutions.

If anyone has easy solutions, that aren't doom (don't have him) let me know!

EgretM4

When 2 hits from a symbiote spidey can kill an almost full health 5/65 archangel I think it’s a little over tuned for a side of quest

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hungryhungrybbq

Moosetiptronic said:

If you don't have a 5/65 or r2 venom or AA, what's the best solution to symbiote Spiderman? The sp1 plus the degrading block node and massive fury he gets from parry stun, makes him annoying too. Used 2 20% revives on my first try.

Tried him and agent venom (used Diablo on AV and did ok, but needed a revive) and both are pains. 35 5/65 or above and not sure I've the solutions.

If anyone has easy solutions, that aren't doom (don't have him) let me know!

Can we see what the options are? And shall we assume non-suicides build?

Crusaderjr

there are multiple difficulties for a reason... its literally only 3 fights and if you have even 1 r3 6* it should already be a breeze. so whats the big fuss about? the hardest difficulty isnt supposed to be easy for everyone as that would just mean everyone even people with only 3* can run it? some people really need to take a step back and humble yourselves to a lower difficulty so you can handle it better

if kevin can do it, so can you

Daddrieda

I haven’t attempted it yet, but it sounds to me that the defenders with the nodes seems to be going all-in with ridiculous attack stats with an feeling of “this defender is unstoppable/unblockable by itself as an god”?

Moosetiptronic

@hungryhungrybbq suicides I am afraid.





Have thought about shulk and slow, but his 400%+ attack boost from debuffs and sp1 spam will kill her on block.

Got AA as 4/55 duped. But probs just need to try very carefully again with Diablo and venompool. I can't "shake" quake either.

I can get him, but it's not guaranteed deathless each time and is therefore stressful.

More here too. Please don't say Roblin. I hate him...






I may try cable with apoc; 4 heavies will kill him I think

Crusaderjr

Moosetiptronic said:

@hungryhungrybbq suicides I am afraid.





Have thought about shulk and slow, but his 400%+ attack boost from debuffs and sp1 spam will kill her on block.

Got AA as 4/55 duped. But probs just need to try very carefully again with Diablo and venompool. I can't "shake" quake either.

I can get him, but it's not guaranteed deathless each time and is therefore stressful.

More here too. Please don't say Roblin. I hate him...

might as well r5 archie and make life easier on yourself. mine did all 3 fights bypassing the nodes with the toxins and bypassing the evade as well.... why handicap yourself by not ranking up a champ that helps ya xD

hungryhungrybbq

@Moosetiptronic I prefer suicides actually 🙂 cool, taking a look now.

Daddrieda

What’s about ghost? I see you got a 6* Hood and a 6* Ghost and that gives a synergy that she can’t take any damage during phase. Which means you should be able to tank sp3 back and forth with care.

Moosetiptronic said:

@hungryhungrybbq suicides I am afraid.





Have thought about shulk and slow, but his 400%+ attack boost from debuffs and sp1 spam will kill her on block.

Got AA as 4/55 duped. But probs just need to try very carefully again with Diablo and venompool. I can't "shake" quake either.

I can get him, but it's not guaranteed deathless each time and is therefore stressful.

More here too. Please don't say Roblin. I hate him...






I may try cable with apoc; 4 heavies will kill him I think

Moosetiptronic

Yeah, I know, I need to learn to play ghost....

mgj0630

@Moosetiptronic I think I see Falcon in your roster. That's who I used.

I won't call it easy, cause frankly, I don't consider any fight where a single mistake results in death to be easy, but that said, I've done two runs using Falcon and Doom.

First run I slipped up, but did enough damage that Doom was able to clean up. Second run was a solo.

Good luck to you!

hungryhungrybbq

@Moosetiptronic So, basically.. the main problem to be solved in this fight (while also playing around an evade mechanic) is the combination of Bubble Shield and a difficult sp1. Right? Normally the strategic answer to Bubble Shield is to use parry to get them up to 1.5 bars then begin to cycle their sp1 for openings. However his sp1 isn't fully dex-able by most players. Though you can still punish it, if you at least dex the punches. But that still requires taking 2 webshots to block each time.

I don't think I like Shulk for this as she thrives with easy to punish specials. I'd say Ghost and AA are some of the top options. It can be done with others, but these are the easy-mode options imo. Being as I don't see a mention of Ghost, I'm still gonna go with AA as your best option. He actually deals with many of the problems in this fight. He may even turn off the nodes. 🙂

I'd recommend bringing Apoc to make him a horseman probably. If you can start shutting him down earlier, it may help with the lower hp of the 4/55. And yeah, if you can rank him, do it. He's useful for so many things beyond this quest.

Also, these rewards (when viewed as a whole for the entire event, including the final quest) are worth using items I'd say. But sure, if you are able to do some of the runs itemless, even better.

GroundedWisdom

DrZola said:

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

Was 1% of a Random T5CC really worth This Much Protection? 😂

Use Doom on him.

Ah yes because Everyone has Doom 😂

Just a tip. I used him and didn't face as much stress. He Nullifies. Just spam the L1.

I’m genuinely curious:

Did you need items? Did you do Legendary? What was your team? Did you rely on power management to reduce the number of Sp1s you had to block? Did you rely on heavy to stagger the armor up/unblockable buffs? What was your approach?

Dr. Zola

I used a couple Revs the first pass but I was in a rush and playing garbage. You can barely get the Heavy off with Tenacity, but the L1 nullifies the Unblockable and other Buffs. Along with Power Control.

DrZola

GroundedWisdom said:

DrZola said:

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

Was 1% of a Random T5CC really worth This Much Protection? 😂

Use Doom on him.

Ah yes because Everyone has Doom 😂

Just a tip. I used him and didn't face as much stress. He Nullifies. Just spam the L1.

I’m genuinely curious:

Did you need items? Did you do Legendary? What was your team? Did you rely on power management to reduce the number of Sp1s you had to block? Did you rely on heavy to stagger the armor up/unblockable buffs? What was your approach?

Dr. Zola

I used a couple Revs the first pass but I was in a rush and playing garbage. You can barely get the Heavy off with Tenacity, but the L1 nullifies the Unblockable and other Buffs. Along with Power Control.

So no White Mags. Who was your second champ?

Dr. Zola

hungryhungrybbq

Crusaderjr said:

there are multiple difficulties for a reason... its literally only 3 fights and if you have even 1 r3 6* it should already be a breeze. so whats the big fuss about? the hardest difficulty isnt supposed to be easy for everyone as that would just mean everyone even people with only 3* can run it? some people really need to take a step back and humble yourselves to a lower difficulty so you can handle it better

if kevin can do it, so can you

I don't necessarily disagree with everything you're saying. However, recently expectations have been set differently than they used to be regarding difficulty. Kabam is faced with negative feedback in either scenario. If they make the highest difficulty with more restricted access they will hear: "Hey, I am capable of doing these fights... why am I being excluded based on progression?!" If they offer more open access to the highest difficulty, they will hear: "I am not capable of doing these fights. This is supposed to be tuned for Cav players! Why is it so difficult?!" When in fact, no one ever stated that it was tuned for Cav players... It's just automatically assumed that: "If I have access to this content, it must mean that I should be able to do it." When those of us who have been playing for years know with certainty that this was not always the case. Attitudes of the past in this game were more like: "Lol... Legendary..that sounds hard. I'm not ready for that yet, will come back when my account is stronger and I have more combat experience. Let's smash out Epic and use these rewards to work towards that."

And frankly, that's been the topic of many arguments on this forum of late. And, any of us who dare to suggest that when a quest is titled "Legendary" difficulty, it should be expected to be somewhat difficult will be disagreed into oblivion. This is partially because the definition of "Legendary" has fluctuated a lot. Had it always been difficult, there wouldn't have been any expectations for it to be otherwise. I'm just trying to take a more positive approach though whenever possible. But I do share the philosophy that just because someone has access to something doesn't mean that they should automatically be able to do it easily.

GroundedWisdom

DrZola said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DrZola said:

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

DrZola said:

WOLF_LINK said:

If it‘s too hard for you, do one difficulty lower. Problem solved.

That can work for some people. In fact, on day two I’d advise anyone struggling to hold off until more people play and find counters. There’s no rush.

But for others who are generally able to do the content, it’s hard to miss the fact that the bosses in Legendary vary widely in difficulty. Maybe there’s a reason to make it harder to get one prize over another? Not sure.

Dr. Zola

I definitely agree with the variety of difficulty between Legendary Bosses, going off what some of my friends said some are Super Easy/Simple then some like the Agent Venom are oddly Super Stacked by comparison.

Was 1% of a Random T5CC really worth This Much Protection? 😂

Use Doom on him.

Ah yes because Everyone has Doom 😂

Just a tip. I used him and didn't face as much stress. He Nullifies. Just spam the L1.

I’m genuinely curious:

Did you need items? Did you do Legendary? What was your team? Did you rely on power management to reduce the number of Sp1s you had to block? Did you rely on heavy to stagger the armor up/unblockable buffs? What was your approach?

Dr. Zola

I used a couple Revs the first pass but I was in a rush and playing garbage. You can barely get the Heavy off with Tenacity, but the L1 nullifies the Unblockable and other Buffs. Along with Power Control.

So no White Mags. Who was your second champ?

Dr. Zola

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