The Cavalier Blues

Upanddown_69

I was reading about the upcoming events and it sort of solidified what I’ve been thinking for some time…

It sucks that cavalier players have been more and more lumped in with uncollected than thronebreaker when it comes to event quest rewards, and now apparently with the upcoming trade in event.

Between the titles, all the way from contender up, there was always a chunk of “challenging” content between you and the next rank.

What I think people tend to forget is that there are plenty of cavalier players who have finished (or even 100%) act 6, and the only thing separating them from thronebreaker is the r3 champ.

There’s no content between them, just money/units or rank up materials.

People have been saying that this is Kabam trying to push us up to TB, but it’s the very thing stopping us from getting there.

Some players have rank up materials but no rank 3 worthy champs. Others have great champs, but no t5cc… either way, forcing us to get 5 star shards as rewards instead of 6 star, lower catalysts, sig stones, and awakening gems is the main thing standing in the way.

For many players, all that makes TB better, is that they could afford (game resource or real world) to press “upgrade” one more time than they could.

Seems like changing the rules, and I’m not sure in a positive way. 😒

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Upanddown_69

Zan0 said:

Wow how did I time travel all the way to 2020

Um lol.

Am I to take it this has been discussed before?

Upanddown_69

Then I logged back in and saw this… damn nice artwork Kabam! 😊

BitterSteel

Been a while since we've had a cavalier complaint post. I'll dust off my notes

TB isn't hard to get nowadays, you have 10 or more times the avenues to get T5CC than the first thronebreakers did, and they managed to do so without money. You have variant, map 7, Cav EQ nexus selectors, 25% selectors in act 7 (I believe there's enough to select 2 entire T5CC from both act 6 and 7). Do the content.

In regards to champions, if you don't have a good option you haven't opened enough crystals, if you haven't opened enough crystals you haven't done enough content. Do more content.

You say some players have 100%ed act 6 but aren't thronebreaker, if that's the case then they are incredibly picky, there is a full T5CC there, and to 100% act 6 you need roster depth, likely gotten from lots of content. Show me a player who has 100%ed act 6, but doesn't want to rank up one of their 6*, and I'll show you an incredibly picky player with champions like Doc Oc, Red Hulk, Gambit in their roster. Amazing champs they don't want to rank up because it's not Ghost, Torch or Apoc.

You aren't being "lumped in with UC" you are getting less rewards than TB in order to incentivise you to push. If it were as easy to be TB as you wanted it to be, there'd be no point in it and we'd need a new progress level right now. Instead of complaining, why don't you ask for advice and we can all suggest ways for you to try and progress.

So what's your issue for getting TB, not the right champion? Not completed act 6? Or not a wholeT5CC?

Upanddown_69

Well, if you’re asking me personally, I’d have to say none of the above.

I totally, completely, and utterly suck at just about every single aspect of the game.

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GroundedWisdom

BitterSteel said:

Been a while since we've had a cavalier complaint post. I'll dust off my notes

TB isn't hard to get nowadays, you have 10 or more times the avenues to get T5CC than the first thronebreakers did, and they managed to do so without money. You have variant, map 7, Cav EQ nexus selectors, 25% selectors in act 7 (I believe there's enough to select 2 entire T5CC from both act 6 and 7). Do the content.

In regards to champions, if you don't have a good option you haven't opened enough crystals, if you haven't opened enough crystals you haven't done enough content. Do more content.

You say some players have 100%ed act 6 but aren't thronebreaker, if that's the case then they are incredibly picky, there is a full T5CC there, and to 100% act 6 you need roster depth, likely gotten from lots of content. Show me a player who has 100%ed act 6, but doesn't want to rank up one of their 6*, and I'll show you an incredibly picky player with champions like Doc Oc, Red Hulk, Gambit in their roster. Amazing champs they don't want to rank up because it's not Ghost, Torch or Apoc.

You aren't being "lumped in with UC" you are getting less rewards than TB in order to incentivise you to push. If it were as easy to be TB as you wanted it to be, there'd be no point in it and we'd need a new progress level right now. Instead of complaining, why don't you ask for advice and we can all suggest ways for you to try and progress.

So what's your issue for getting TB, not the right champion? Not completed act 6? Or not a wholeT5CC?

There is some validity in what the OP is saying, from my perspective. Take the latest SQ as an example. 9 T5CC 2% Crystals available. Certainly helpful. Now take into account the increase in difficulty. Overboard, I would say. Considering the Rewards aren't really that much greater. The problem is, the people who need those the most are put farther away from them, not closer.
This whole trickle system is overdue for a moderate adjustment.

BitterSteel

Upanddown_69 said:

Well, if you’re asking me personally, I’d say none of the above.

If I’m honest, I totally, completely, and utterly suck at just about every single aspect of the game.

So the first thing is work on gameplay skills. Watch tutorials on intercepting, baiting specials, heavies etc and try replicate. Learn how to use your champions on youtube to the best of their ability.

What quest are you on in act 6? Most forum members would love to share tips, guides and suggestions for teams, paths and counters. They'd be much more receptive to that than a complaint it's too hard, because it really isn't.

While going for Thronebreaker the best way to do that is complete Cav EQ every month 100% and save up your 10% Nexus' until you are within that percentage of a T5CC. What I mean by that is, if you have 3 Nexus T5CC crystals and you're 50% of the way there, you can't get there with those Nexus', so hold onto them until you are 70% of the way there in one class. Say you have 70% Skill, open each one of the nexus' one by one, and if you get skill then carry on, but if you don't get skill, then stop. Wait until you have more skill, or more nexus' then repeat. This way, you can avoid a situation where you open a nexus crystal hoping for skill, and miss it, and then later you get more of a different class and you'd have been able to select that class and form a cat.

Find an alliance that runs map 7 if you can do it, that's a great source of T5CC.

Find a variant that suits your roster, if you need advice feel free to post it and we can see what champs are best for which variant. 100%ing variants gives 25% T5CC.

Demonzfyre

Upanddown_69 said:

Zan0 said:

Wow how did I time travel all the way to 2020

Um lol.

Am I to take it this has been discussed before?

Only like 10,000 times.

Demonzfyre

Upanddown_69 said:

I was reading about the upcoming events and it sort of solidified what I’ve been thinking for some time…

It sucks that cavalier players have been more and more lumped in with uncollected than thronebreaker when it comes to event quest rewards, and now apparently with the upcoming trade in event.

Between the titles, all the way from contender up, there was always a chunk of “challenging” content between you and the next rank.

What I think people tend to forget is that there are plenty of cavalier players who have finished (or even 100%) act 6, and the only thing separating them from thronebreaker is the r3 champ.

There’s no content between them, just money/units or rank up materials.

People have been saying that this is Kabam trying to push us up to TB, but it’s the very thing stopping us from getting there.

Some players have rank up materials but no rank 3 worthy champs. Others have great champs, but no t5cc… either way, forcing us to get 5 star shards as rewards instead of 6 star, lower catalysts, sig stones, and awakening gems is the main thing standing in the way.

For many players, all that makes TB better, is that they could afford (game resource or real world) to press “upgrade” one more time than they could.

Seems like changing the rules, and I’m not sure in a positive way. 😒

And none of those players do map 7 or 8 now with epic modifiers to get the 10% each AQ cycle.

If players want TB handed to them, they're in for a long wait.

GroundedWisdom

Not necessarily handed to them, but the game has changed. It took me a year for my first 5* back in the day. I don't expect it to be the same for people moving forward.
We're at the introduction of R4s. What's the motivation in pushing through any content when you're amassing 2% RNG (occasionally 10%) respectively? The issue, as with any progress gates, is eventually you need to adjust them as the game evolves.

BitterSteel

GroundedWisdom said:

Not necessarily handed to them, but the game has changed. It took me a year for my first 5* back in the day. I don't expect it to be the same for people moving forward.
We're at the introduction of R4s. What's the motivation in pushing through any content when you're amassing 2% RNG (occasionally 10%) respectively? The issue, as with any progress gates, is eventually you need to adjust them as the game evolves.

They are being adjusted, with every update to AQ, every new Variant, selectors are more common, Nexus T5CC crystals, every new chapter added to act 7 there is more and easier accessible T5CC. It's much, much easier to get TB now than it was 2 months ago, and 5 months ago and 10 months ago.

Any Cav who feels they can't be TB either hasn't been Cav long enough, or they haven't done the necessary and relevant content.

GroundedWisdom

BitterSteel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Not necessarily handed to them, but the game has changed. It took me a year for my first 5* back in the day. I don't expect it to be the same for people moving forward.
We're at the introduction of R4s. What's the motivation in pushing through any content when you're amassing 2% RNG (occasionally 10%) respectively? The issue, as with any progress gates, is eventually you need to adjust them as the game evolves.

They are being adjusted, with every update to AQ, every new Variant, selectors are more common, Nexus T5CC crystals, every new chapter added to act 7 there is more and easier accessible T5CC. It's much, much easier to get TB now than it was 2 months ago, and 5 months ago and 10 months ago.

Any Cav who feels they can't be TB either hasn't been Cav long enough, or they haven't done the necessary and relevant content.

If you're struggling to hit TB, you're not rocking out Act 7, or the highest AQ Maps. Let's be realistic.

GroundedWisdom

Hence the issue. The Frags are being increased for those who aren't struggling to get them.

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GroundedWisdom

Zan0 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

BitterSteel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Not necessarily handed to them, but the game has changed. It took me a year for my first 5* back in the day. I don't expect it to be the same for people moving forward.
We're at the introduction of R4s. What's the motivation in pushing through any content when you're amassing 2% RNG (occasionally 10%) respectively? The issue, as with any progress gates, is eventually you need to adjust them as the game evolves.

They are being adjusted, with every update to AQ, every new Variant, selectors are more common, Nexus T5CC crystals, every new chapter added to act 7 there is more and easier accessible T5CC. It's much, much easier to get TB now than it was 2 months ago, and 5 months ago and 10 months ago.

Any Cav who feels they can't be TB either hasn't been Cav long enough, or they haven't done the necessary and relevant content.

If you're struggling to hit TB, you're not rocking out Act 7, or the highest AQ Maps. Let's be realistic.

What? If you are struggling to hit TB and not even playing act 7 then you don’t even deserve / are ready for thronebreaker

You can't redirect the issue I brought up by making shots at my skill. I can push through anything if I want. I'm talking about the balancing of Resources and how demotivating it is to rely on a trickle of them each month, with added difficulty on top of it. It's creating the opposite effect. It's not easier, it's harder. If you think I'm speaking on my behalf alone, I'm afraid my opinions are a bit broader than self-serving.

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BitterSteel

GroundedWisdom said:

Zan0 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

BitterSteel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Not necessarily handed to them, but the game has changed. It took me a year for my first 5* back in the day. I don't expect it to be the same for people moving forward.
We're at the introduction of R4s. What's the motivation in pushing through any content when you're amassing 2% RNG (occasionally 10%) respectively? The issue, as with any progress gates, is eventually you need to adjust them as the game evolves.

They are being adjusted, with every update to AQ, every new Variant, selectors are more common, Nexus T5CC crystals, every new chapter added to act 7 there is more and easier accessible T5CC. It's much, much easier to get TB now than it was 2 months ago, and 5 months ago and 10 months ago.

Any Cav who feels they can't be TB either hasn't been Cav long enough, or they haven't done the necessary and relevant content.

If you're struggling to hit TB, you're not rocking out Act 7, or the highest AQ Maps. Let's be realistic.

What? If you are struggling to hit TB and not even playing act 7 then you don’t even deserve / are ready for thronebreaker

You can't redirect the issue I brought up by making shots at my skill. I can push through anything if I want. I'm talking about the balancing of Resources and how demotivating it is to rely on a trickle of them each month, with added difficulty on top of it. It's creating the opposite effect. It's not easier, it's harder. If you think I'm speaking on my behalf alone, I'm afraid my opinions are a bit broader than self-serving.

I think you're taking that one a little personal my guy, I think @Zan0 was saying you plural, as in "vous", or "one".

You gave an example of a player not rocking out act 7, or AQ. And Zano said if that's the case then they don't deserve TB. If you think it's automatically aimed at you I think that betrays a little of how you feel about not being TB.

Tru100

GroundedWisdom said:

Hence the issue. The Frags are being increased for those who aren't struggling to get them.

Come on, this is not a legit debate. OP conceded he’s not good at the game, plus unawares of the encyclopedias of previous discussion on the very same topic, which anyone can search and look up. Let’s not rehash old outdated arguments when there’s fresh monthly EQ changes to protest.

GroundedWisdom

BitterSteel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Zan0 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

BitterSteel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Not necessarily handed to them, but the game has changed. It took me a year for my first 5* back in the day. I don't expect it to be the same for people moving forward.
We're at the introduction of R4s. What's the motivation in pushing through any content when you're amassing 2% RNG (occasionally 10%) respectively? The issue, as with any progress gates, is eventually you need to adjust them as the game evolves.

They are being adjusted, with every update to AQ, every new Variant, selectors are more common, Nexus T5CC crystals, every new chapter added to act 7 there is more and easier accessible T5CC. It's much, much easier to get TB now than it was 2 months ago, and 5 months ago and 10 months ago.

Any Cav who feels they can't be TB either hasn't been Cav long enough, or they haven't done the necessary and relevant content.

If you're struggling to hit TB, you're not rocking out Act 7, or the highest AQ Maps. Let's be realistic.

What? If you are struggling to hit TB and not even playing act 7 then you don’t even deserve / are ready for thronebreaker

You can't redirect the issue I brought up by making shots at my skill. I can push through anything if I want. I'm talking about the balancing of Resources and how demotivating it is to rely on a trickle of them each month, with added difficulty on top of it. It's creating the opposite effect. It's not easier, it's harder. If you think I'm speaking on my behalf alone, I'm afraid my opinions are a bit broader than self-serving.

I think you're taking that one a little personal my guy, I think @Zan0 was saying you plural, as in "vous", or "one".

You gave an example of a player not rocking out act 7, or AQ. And Zano said if that's the case then they don't deserve TB. If you think it's automatically aimed at you I think that betrays a little of how you feel about not being TB.

Alright, we'll assume it wasn't directed at me, even though the wording is such. Looking past that, there seems to be a biased view on the opposition. "You just don't want to do the content. It was hard for us, it should be hard for you. You just don't have the skill." (To paraphrase.)
Only, in every aspect of the game, Resources are rebalanced from time to time. That rebalancing involves a downhill effect that makes them somewhat easier for people underneath to acquire them. That's not happening in this case, and I'm perfectly fine with disagreeing on that front. What I am not talking about, is lack of skill. That seems to be the blanket statement towards any issue people bring up involving these matters, and it doesn't address the issue I presented.

Coppin

Its been so long since TB was released.. we should be close to a new progression title.. then what? Cry about TB being the 2nd favorite son?
Like i said its been so long and now t5cc is almost everywhere.. yeah sure u can buy some . But between EQ, SQ, and all the latest variants, ans chap 7 which is way easier than some of the horrible paths in chap 6.. there is no excuse than being picky to r3 a 6*

BitterSteel

GroundedWisdom said:

BitterSteel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Zan0 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

BitterSteel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Not necessarily handed to them, but the game has changed. It took me a year for my first 5* back in the day. I don't expect it to be the same for people moving forward.
We're at the introduction of R4s. What's the motivation in pushing through any content when you're amassing 2% RNG (occasionally 10%) respectively? The issue, as with any progress gates, is eventually you need to adjust them as the game evolves.

They are being adjusted, with every update to AQ, every new Variant, selectors are more common, Nexus T5CC crystals, every new chapter added to act 7 there is more and easier accessible T5CC. It's much, much easier to get TB now than it was 2 months ago, and 5 months ago and 10 months ago.

Any Cav who feels they can't be TB either hasn't been Cav long enough, or they haven't done the necessary and relevant content.

If you're struggling to hit TB, you're not rocking out Act 7, or the highest AQ Maps. Let's be realistic.

What? If you are struggling to hit TB and not even playing act 7 then you don’t even deserve / are ready for thronebreaker

You can't redirect the issue I brought up by making shots at my skill. I can push through anything if I want. I'm talking about the balancing of Resources and how demotivating it is to rely on a trickle of them each month, with added difficulty on top of it. It's creating the opposite effect. It's not easier, it's harder. If you think I'm speaking on my behalf alone, I'm afraid my opinions are a bit broader than self-serving.

I think you're taking that one a little personal my guy, I think @Zan0 was saying you plural, as in "vous", or "one".

You gave an example of a player not rocking out act 7, or AQ. And Zano said if that's the case then they don't deserve TB. If you think it's automatically aimed at you I think that betrays a little of how you feel about not being TB.

Alright, we'll assume it wasn't directed at me, even though the wording is such. Looking past that, there seems to be a biased view on the opposition. "You just don't want to do the content. It was hard for us, it should be hard for you. You just don't have the skill." (To paraphrase.)
Only, in every aspect of the game, Resources are rebalanced from time to time. That rebalancing involves a downhill effect that makes them somewhat easier for people underneath to acquire them. That's not happening in this case, and I'm perfectly fine with disagreeing on that front. What I am not talking about, is lack of skill. That seems to be the blanket statement towards any issue people bring up involving these matters, and it doesn't address the issue I presented.

You said "if you're struggling to hit TB", so Zano continued that structure and said "if you are struggling to hit TB". It's no deeper than that.

If a Cav is struggling to hit TB and not doing Act 7 (which is easier than act 6) or Map 7 (which can be easily done with rank 5 champions, especially in an alliance of Cav players with low prestige, then they quite clearly are not the target to become TB.

Lack of skill can be an issue, but I firstly disagree it's the only problem, and secondly that anyone has been saying it's the only problem. Do more content, get better champions, get higher ranked champions, get better with those champions, get more champions. All avenues to improve your roster and your skills.

You can twist words if you'd like, but the main statement given to Cavs when they complain is do more content, not you're not skilled enough. The "Git Gud" is given a lot, but that's more of a meme at this point. Rewards are being improved to get TB, to get better champions, and more T5CC all the time. You can ignore all the examples I have if you'd like, but it doesn't make them any less real.

I'll be honest, this feels like insecurity, claiming you speak for everyone when really, it's one poster who has since admitted they "suck at every single aspect of the game". Some months of EQ will be harder, some will be easier. Kabam can't adjust on the fly giving more rewards one month or the other. Sometimes you just have to choose whether it's worth it for you, or give it a skip. Not all content will be for everyone. TB has never been easier to get, that's a fact. And it gets easier with every new bit of T5CC added each month. I'll leave this one here, as I'm not really interested in a debate.

GroundedWisdom

I'm not speaking for everyone at all. I'm speaking for a demographic that typically gets silenced on here. As for the content, it was quite uncharacteristically changed. Enough that people posted about it the majority of the month, and those opinions were heard by the game team. What I said, and my point remains, is we're overdue for a moderate adjustment in terms of the trickle of Cats. Who in the hell wants to spend years amassing enough to form one?

Coppin

I guess cavallier players seem to forget that previous TBs had to go thru the same or worse process, the ability to gain t5cc was worse than it is now...
Complaining at this point about not enought t5cc frags and decent champs makes older TBs actually laugh ..(at least i find it laughable)
This is the good old post with a passive begging for better things with the least effort..

hungryhungrybbq

"In regards to champions, if you don't have a good option you haven't opened enough crystals, if you haven't opened enough crystals you haven't done enough content. Do more content."
-BitterSteel 2021

This.

Actively considering having the t-shirt made.

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GroundedWisdom

Literally not what I was talking about at all, but sure. Use whatever narrative you like.

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Pikolu

Literally just r3 whoever you want, especially if you spend money on cyber weekend, you got enough materials to r3 5 or more 6*s of your choice, that would make r3ing groot worth it

Dontsellthem

Haven’t cav and TB ranked champs for cav EQ purpose only. Now they’ll need to rank up for tag related champs if they don’t already have them up there?

It’s just dumb.