so... what happend to guillotine buff?

she is worse than before and i'm sure many people regret even getting her. so is kabam going to change her or at least revert her? she is like very useless now

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ThatGuyYouSaw235

Nerfed her damage
Nerfed her healing

ig thats a job well done

BarryMcCaulkiner

She is one of my favorite champs to play with. Not extremely practical but still a high damage champ with a fun and challenging play style

Sungj

She is one of my favorite champs to play with. Not extremely practical but still a high damage champ with a fun and challenging play style

She had higher damage before the changes and IMO was far more fun

baskinrobbinsknows

The Gully "buff," was just another example of how the developers and community disagree. They are happy, we who support the game aren't. Case closed. Just do what I and many other players are doing; pretend she doesn't exist and just another champion on your roster who isn't worth anything, like Thor Jane Foster.

DNA3000

She is one of my favorite champs to play with. Not extremely practical but still a high damage champ with a fun and challenging play style

if you enjoy playing her, that's all that should matter to you. I'm sure there are people who like her now, and they have nothing to apologize for: its all good.

However I think it is fair to say that a very high percentage of knowledgeable players who used to play her before her update believe with some objective justification that her damage in certain situations was impaired, and her healing in all situations was significantly reduced. Everyone doesn't agree on the degree to which this happened, but there is a general sense that she was made worse in almost every situation except the one where a brand new player literally pulls her first out of a 4* crystal. And even in that case, she's arguably only better in a trivial way that doesn't scale.

This was also mostly unnecessary, because a large chunk of the issues comes down to the developers insisting on giving Guillotine funky new mechanics, but then being too afraid to make them work properly out of fear they might have underestimated those mechanics. Any way you look at it, that's an unforced designer error.

The problem is, the ways in which Guillotine was arguably banged up by the update are mostly invisible to the data Kabam tracks. So there's nothing to tell them they did anything wrong. When Kabam says they are happy with where she is now, that's what they mean. She hits reasonable targets in their data monitoring. It is just that that data is incomplete when it comes to Guillotine.

winterthur

Is it not "complete" because a featured crystal sale or something equivalent did not appear after the rework?

PapaMidnite007

Gone reduced to atoms

PapaMidnite007

I have a feeling they should have given her the Hood treatment instead of overhaul

AverageDesi

Nerfed her damage
Nerfed her healing

ig thats a job well done

Wouldn't say nerfed here damage completely.

ThatGuyYouSaw235

Nerfed her damage
Nerfed her healing

ig thats a job well done
Wouldn't say nerfed here damage completely.

A nerf is described as a net reduction in X if I am not mistaken.

Guillotine still has decent damage, but she had a lot more damage before. So it's a nerf, even though it'd be inevitable for Guillotine to lose the ability to 1 hit opponents with an SP3.

Ghostboytjie

They removed her sp3 damage
They removed her regen

They gave her a regen based on (damage or bleed done on enemy right?)
They increased her bleed damage by a lot

The_Sentry06

I could live with the damage reduction, she still hits pretty hard in most cases.

However the fact that they noticeably nerfed her healing and added no new utility (along with the damage reduction) is why I and many others have been disappointed.

FluffyPigMonster

I could live with the damage reduction, she still hits pretty hard in most cases.

However the fact that they noticeably nerfed her healing and added no new utility (along with the damage reduction) is why I and many others have been disappointed.

The regen is small because of all all the DOT damage and pain link. It seems that if the percentage was higher she’d heal a ton and always be a full health (Kabam….why not please? - LOL)

They removed her sp3 damage
They removed her regen

They gave her a regen based on (damage or bleed done on enemy right?)
They increased her bleed damage by a lot

The SP3 is underwhelming for sure. You have to have like 15 soul charges to have a decent Degen on the opponent.

The regen was okay in theory. I personally have her at R2 and use her a ton for EQ.

I believe her kit doesn’t fit into the meta (for now). Like this month’s EQ, I hope more content is released where she can be useful.

Until then

Nightkiller7314

She is one of my favorite champs to play with. Not extremely practical but still a high damage champ with a fun and challenging play style

she was much more fun the before. i tried my guillotine and she was like very awful. i wish they could take a second look at this og character

Nightkiller7314

Nerfed her damage
Nerfed her healing

ig thats a job well done
Wouldn't say nerfed here damage completely.

if you tried her sp3 before, you wouldn't say that at all. i think she needs to get reversed to what she was before. otherwise, she's just another sad pull from every crystal...

TJay

Guilly and purgatory is a combo I use for potion farming in the ROL, and it works beautifully.

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Wicket329

It was the lack of added utility for me. There are no fights you can bring New Guilly to that you couldn’t bring Original Recipe Guilly. All she really needed was some synergies incorporated into her base (to help with soul management), and some additional utility (such as power or buff control).

The problem with Pain Split is that it’s simply not offensive utility. It just isn’t. If it reduced the damage she took in the process, maybe it would have a use. But as it stands, there is no reason that an attacking Guilly should want to use her sp1. Similarly, the sp3 was butchered in such a way that nobody wants to use that anymore either, despite it being her big gun in the past.

I’ve spilled enough ink on this topic in the past. This rework will never sit right with me and it is the reason I am cautious about all champion reworks in the future.

_colo

Maybe this one was more of 'rebalance' than a buff.....

Logan00

It is now scheduled for the 30th of february

Nightkiller7314

It is now scheduled for the 30th of february

are there any official annoucnments?

GroundedWisdom

They had a live q&a here where they said they are really happy with how she is and are not gonna change her. Absolute meme

That's not exactly what was said. They said they were satisfied with much of her outcome, but were monitoring her Regen. Just in the interest of being specific.

Nightkiller7314

They had a live q&a here where they said they are really happy with how she is and are not gonna change her. Absolute meme
That's not exactly what was said. They said they were satisfied with much of her outcome, but were monitoring her Regen. Just in the interest of being specific.

hmmm...... but in what terms they are satisfied with her? her low regen? her nerfed damage? her new useless special attacks?(talking about sp1 pain link and sp3 degen). even if they check their data, they'll see most of the players are not using her at all

GroundedWisdom

They had a live q&a here where they said they are really happy with how she is and are not gonna change her. Absolute meme
That's not exactly what was said. They said they were satisfied with much of her outcome, but were monitoring her Regen. Just in the interest of being specific.
hmmm...... but in what terms they are satisfied with her? her low regen? her nerfed damage? her new useless special attacks?(talking about sp1 pain link and sp3 degen). even if they check their data, they'll see most of the players are not using her at all

I can't speak for that myself. I'm not entirely certain myself if I dislike it. I've seen some usefulness. She's definitely different, that's for sure. I admit she was one of my OG favorites. Still is. For me, it's more the change to get used to, rather than wanting her to look the same as she used to.

GroundedWisdom

I'm not saying she's better or worse. I'm still on the fence based on my own observations.

Nightkiller7314

They had a live q&a here where they said they are really happy with how she is and are not gonna change her. Absolute meme
That's not exactly what was said. They said they were satisfied with much of her outcome, but were monitoring her Regen. Just in the interest of being specific.
hmmm...... but in what terms they are satisfied with her? her low regen? her nerfed damage? her new useless special attacks?(talking about sp1 pain link and sp3 degen). even if they check their data, they'll see most of the players are not using her at all
I can't speak for that myself. I'm not entirely certain myself if I dislike it. I've seen some usefulness. She's definitely different, that's for sure. I admit she was one of my OG favorites. Still is. For me, it's more the change to get used to, rather than wanting her to look the same as she used to.

she's still useful for some champions with high regen. but she was like this before aswell. many people dont like it because, nothing new added and instead they took some things away aswell. this buff was so disappointing that many asked for her pre-buff return. that's ok if you like it. but i hope you understand that most dont🙂

GroundedWisdom

That's just it. It's still new for me, so I'm not completely sold on liking it or not.

Nightkiller7314

That's just it. It's still new for me, so I'm not completely sold on liking it or not.

that's alright. hope you join the dislike crew🤣

raviXsharma

You think kaboom will listen to this? Pfft