Why do Unavoidable Damage Nodes exist?

All of these are avoidable or counter-able

With maybe 2-4 Champs

Terra

All of these are avoidable or counter-able
With maybe 2-4 Champs

No? Direct Damage and Starbust can be outhealed,
And AoN and AoG can be survived by basically everyone.

All of these are avoidable or counter-able
With maybe 2-4 Champs
No? Direct Damage and Starbust can be outhealed,
And AoN and AoG can be survived by basically everyone.

But what is the point of taking this damage?

Terra

All of these are avoidable or counter-able
With maybe 2-4 Champs
No? Direct Damage and Starbust can be outhealed,
And AoN and AoG can be survived by basically everyone.
But what is the point of taking this damage?

It's a challenge, as is most nodes.
Wouldn't be fun unless you could think out counters who could benefit or reverse a nodes effects.

Graves_3

All of these are avoidable or counter-able

Direct damage is not avoidable as far as I know. It’s counter-able with a high regen champ or duped corvus. Do you know of any champs that can avoid it altogether?

Skillful_star

It's called Fun and interactive damage

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The_man001

It's called Fun and interactive damage

Not much fun for the wallet

All of these are avoidable or counter-able
Direct damage is not avoidable as far as I know. It’s counter-able with a high regen champ or duped corvus. Do you know of any champs that can avoid it altogether?
Cmm can

For 12 seconds

Lemon_Man44

Aspect of nightmare just encourages healing after reviving which is good

All of these are avoidable or counter-able

The last two are, but how do you avoid/counter the first two?

I can only think of winning quickly, but even then some damage is going to be taken.

Or do you mean it can be significantly mitigated/offset e.g. with willpower?

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Ackbar67

Degen and starburst can easily be countered by anyone with even rudimentary regen

Squirrelguy

Max sig Namor, phasing, Ghulk, etc. There are counters to them all. It also just encourages better and more aggressive play styles.

It’s like saying “how dare Kabam ban champions”? To make it more difficult and to encourage diversity of champion use.

Graves_3

All of these are avoidable or counter-able
Direct damage is not avoidable as far as I know. It’s counter-able with a high regen champ or duped corvus. Do you know of any champs that can avoid it altogether?
Cmm can

Juggernaut on direct damage node says hello to CMM as well as Mephisto

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SirGamesBond

Best Degen nodes were in Variant 1.3
Such found memories.

spigwender

The best arguments i’ve seen against this post so far are:
AoN heals the damage you took when it expires (fine by me, I like this node)
AoG can be reversed and used to heal (again, I like this node. Usually I just time my special/combo to kill the opponent before AoG activates.)
“Just use a regen champ”

Direct Damage and Starburst are lazy. There used to be a somewhat large chunk of the community who agreed, at least, if I remember correctly. I like nodes where you have to actually put forth an effort to counter it. “Just use a regen champ”, while true to an extent (you aren’t avoiding the damage, just reducing the toll it takes on your champions), is just lazy fight/node design. I’d like to see it get replaced, maybe with nodes like No Retreat or Flare (Yes, I’m aware Flare is unavoidable damage, but it provides you with an extra tool to defeat your opponent) that actually encourage you to play skillfully and strategically so you avoid the damage.

Just my opinion. God bless.

Graves_3

All of these are avoidable or counter-able
Direct damage is not avoidable as far as I know. It’s counter-able with a high regen champ or duped corvus. Do you know of any champs that can avoid it altogether?
Cmm can
Juggernaut on direct damage node says hello to CMM as well as Mephisto
Then don’t use cmm for those fights. Don’t see the point in your comment

The point is that kabam places those kind of defenders with the nodes so how can you counter them with CMM? But I do accept that you answered my question of who can avoid that node altogether. Apologize if my comment sounded rude.

The best arguments i’ve seen against this post so far are:
AoN heals the damage you took when it expires (fine by me, I like this node)
AoG can be reversed and used to heal (again, I like this node. Usually I just time my special/combo to kill the opponent before AoG activates.)
“Just use a regen champ”

Direct Damage and Starburst are lazy. There used to be a somewhat large chunk of the community who agreed, at least, if I remember correctly. I like nodes where you have to actually put forth an effort to counter it. “Just use a regen champ”, while true to an extent (you aren’t avoiding the damage, just reducing the toll it takes on your champions), is just lazy fight/node design. I’d like to see it get replaced, maybe with nodes like No Retreat or Flare (Yes, I’m aware Flare is unavoidable damage, but it provides you with an extra tool to defeat your opponent) that actually encourage you to play skillfully and strategically so you avoid the damage.

Just my opinion. God bless.

And I didn’t put Flare or Blaze on the list because those help more than hurt in most quests. This is what I was hoping people would take out of my post when it comes to Starbust and Direct Damage

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All of these are avoidable or counter-able
With maybe 2-4 Champs
Firstly, you said unavoidable so I don’t think that’s accurate if it’s able to be countered, I.e. avoided

Direct damage
Namor, ghost with hood synergy, Kitty Pryde, Hercules, Corvus, Blade, Kingpin, CMM (if the fight is short enough), King groot, Diablo, BWCV, Morningstar, wolverine/x23, VTD
heals that kick in at low health can survive it.

This list of champs almost makes the question look stupid, but I wouldn’t call the damage avoidable if triggers an immortality mechanic (Hercules and Corvus).
I wouldn’t call the damage avoidable if it relies on 100% uptime of phase (Kitty and Ghost), nor if it relies on the attacker being on the attack for 100% of the fight (Namor).
What you’ve listed are champs that can survive the fight, but still take damage in the process.
What the OP would like is to be able to perform a flawless victory.

Terra

All of these are avoidable or counter-able
With maybe 2-4 Champs
Firstly, you said unavoidable so I don’t think that’s accurate if it’s able to be countered, I.e. avoided

Direct damage
Namor, ghost with hood synergy, Kitty Pryde, Hercules, Corvus, Blade, Kingpin, CMM (if the fight is short enough), King groot, Diablo, BWCV, Morningstar, wolverine/x23, VTD
heals that kick in at low health can survive it.

This list of champs almost makes the question look stupid, but I wouldn’t call the damage avoidable if triggers an immortality mechanic (Hercules and Corvus).
I wouldn’t call the damage avoidable if it relies on 100% uptime of phase (Kitty and Ghost), nor if it relies on the attacker being on the attack for 100% of the fight (Namor).
What you’ve listed are champs that can survive the fight, but still take damage in the process.
What the OP would like is to be able to perform a flawless victory.

Corvus and Herc can do flawless victories at 1% if you're skilled enough

PapaMidnite007

Gladiator Hulk

All of these are avoidable or counter-able
With maybe 2-4 Champs
Firstly, you said unavoidable so I don’t think that’s accurate if it’s able to be countered, I.e. avoided

Direct damage
Namor, ghost with hood synergy, Kitty Pryde, Hercules, Corvus, Blade, Kingpin, CMM (if the fight is short enough), King groot, Diablo, BWCV, Morningstar, wolverine/x23, VTD
heals that kick in at low health can survive it.

This list of champs almost makes the question look stupid, but I wouldn’t call the damage avoidable if triggers an immortality mechanic (Hercules and Corvus).
I wouldn’t call the damage avoidable if it relies on 100% uptime of phase (Kitty and Ghost), nor if it relies on the attacker being on the attack for 100% of the fight (Namor).
What you’ve listed are champs that can survive the fight, but still take damage in the process.
What the OP would like is to be able to perform a flawless victory.
Corvus and Herc can do flawless victories at 1% if you're skilled enough

A skilled player isn’t going to start that fight with only 1% health.

Fact is, if you go into that fight (direct damage or starburst) with health, you come out with less health regardless of skill.

All of these are avoidable or counter-able
With maybe 2-4 Champs
Firstly, you said unavoidable so I don’t think that’s accurate if it’s able to be countered, I.e. avoided

Direct damage
Namor, ghost with hood synergy, Kitty Pryde, Hercules, Corvus, Blade, Kingpin, CMM (if the fight is short enough), King groot, Diablo, BWCV, Morningstar, wolverine/x23, VTD
heals that kick in at low health can survive it.

This list of champs almost makes the question look stupid, but I wouldn’t call the damage avoidable if triggers an immortality mechanic (Hercules and Corvus).
I wouldn’t call the damage avoidable if it relies on 100% uptime of phase (Kitty and Ghost), nor if it relies on the attacker being on the attack for 100% of the fight (Namor).
What you’ve listed are champs that can survive the fight, but still take damage in the process.
What the OP would like is to be able to perform a flawless victory.
No, they don’t avoid every tick of damage, but so what?

Because that’s what unavoidable actually means.

OP expressed a distaste for unavoidable damage, gave two genuine examples, and was subsequently told he had none.

That’s all.

I disagree. You’re viewing unavoidable as a binary 1 or 0. Either you are able to avoid every piece of damage or it’s unavoidable damage. If you entered a fight and took 1 tick of 1 damage by your definition that would be unavoidable.

In an unrealistic world of technicality and being right on paper, sure, the literal definition is that some of these ticks of damage are unavoidable, and you may take some damage.

Yes. Avoidable/unavoidable is a binary. Everything in between is partially avoidable.

But what it is closer to, is a scale. Damage can be on this scale of “avoidability” (yes I just made that word up). If a champion can avoid half of this damage with indestructible, and this damage would do 100% of your health, guess what, you’ve avoided half of the damage. If you can regen more than the damage is being done then you’re net healing/avoiding the damage.

This describes partially avoidable, apart from the regen scenario.

Fights and nodes present challenges, we use champions and abilities to counter or avoid those challenges. Someone saying starburst is unavoidable damage is forgetting that Mr Negative can take 0 damage from it, Spider Ham can take 0 damage from it, I hulk can store 60% of the damage as health, Herc can survive on 1% health, Ghost can avoid the damage, so on and so forth. Claiming these challenges are unavoidable and therefore unfair is silly, you can avoid so much of that damage that it is no longer a challenge and easy to survive.

Mr Negative can avoid starburst damage (degen), but not direct damage. Spider Ham needs to get to 10 Spider Nonsense - so he can only partially avoid degen.

As I’ve said before, not every fight or node needs to be easily countered by every champ. This is all part of the game, and it’s not going to go away.

You can say that all you want, and I don’t necessarily disagree, but there will always be people who don’t like unavoidable damage - and they’re not going to go away