New paragon challenges in ‘Pain is Eternal’

Hello everyone,
I am an average player who’s in a plat 1 ally and does map 8 aq and spends occasionally (eg I only spent £13.50 on spring cleaning for a generic 6* awakening gem). I would like to say how happy I am with the game so far apart from excluding content from those who don’t spend money or don’t have the time to grind arena for units and be in a top ally but have completed all the hardest challenges of the contest (eg carina’s challenges, abyss and 7.4 100%). I would like to ask you kabam to maybe not change how to obtain paragon but change how to obtain the next progression titles in the future. As you said you want to test summoners not just by story mode but by other hard content as well to obtain the titles so I would like to suggest you make the requirements different. I think it would be better if you made the requirements not by having a certain rank of a 6* champion but by completing certain content. For example instead of making paragon for people who have 3 rank 4 6* champions you should make it that summoners should have to do x amount of carina challenge and/or complete/100% the abyss. This will allow all summoners to be able to complete this without spending huge amounts of money or units so there is no ‘pay wall’ to new content because if you exclude people they will stop playing.
Thank You for reading
Dtom456

Comments

Ercarret

I dislike that idea strongly simply because that would force you to do certain types of content in order to progress. Obviously you need to complete story content but other than that, it's optional. You don't have to do anything else in particular (unless you really want to become Paragon on Day 1). I didn't have to do Abyss in order to become TB, but I could have in order to become TB faster; that's how I want that type of content to be. I did explore all of the Variants that were released by that time in order to pick up the t5cc fragments there, in order to quicken my path to TB, but you shouldn't have to do that if you don't like Variants. You'll just have to become TB at a slower pace, just like I had to do when I chose not to do Abyss.

Because different people enjoy different things, and I think that should be respected. Aside from advancing story content up to points X, Y and Z, I don't think anything in the game should be strictly mandatory in order to progress. What I really liked about my journey to TB is that I could earn the resources my own way, by playing the game how I enjoyed playing it. I think the same should be the case for Paragon and whatever titles come after it.

Polygon

Disagree strongly. The rank up requirement is fine, just make it more reasonable, like 2 instead of 3 rank 4’s

Shadowstrike

I disagree because it feels like it's only going to benefit you and if everyone's going to keep recommending things that only benefits them, just say it benefits you and don't play me with a claim that it's something for the greater good of the community

Chatterofforums

Op's solution sounded oddly specific, I'd have to guess it fits where he currently stands in the game.

Shadowstrike

Op's solution sounded oddly specific, I'd have to guess it fits where he currently stands in the game.

Exactly what I was saying!

Deacon

i'd go so far as to say "average" players aren't sitting around in Plat 1 alliances doing Map 8 smh.

DNA3000

I would like to ask you kabam to maybe not change how to obtain paragon but change how to obtain the next progression titles in the future. As you said you want to test summoners not just by story mode but by other hard content as well to obtain the titles so I would like to suggest you make the requirements different. I think it would be better if you made the requirements not by having a certain rank of a 6* champion but by completing certain content. For example instead of making paragon for people who have 3 rank 4 6* champions you should make it that summoners should have to do x amount of carina challenge and/or complete/100% the abyss. This will allow all summoners to be able to complete this without spending huge amounts of money or units so there is no ‘pay wall’ to new content because if you exclude people they will stop playing.

This does the opposite of what you claim it does. "All summoners" don't complete such content. In fact, the majority of players never do, and many will never be able to.

If we make super hard content be the hurdle to future progress, then eventually the vast majority of players will get stuck there unable to progress. That's why Act 6 was adjusted downward. It was fine for end gamers, but regular players couldn't get past it without a lot of resources. They were getting roadblocked.

Roster hurdles are temporary. No matter what they are, the vast majority of players will eventually get there playing normally. They will take longer, but they will get there. Super difficult content gates allow skillful players to get there quickly, at the expense of the average player never getting there at all. That's why the most recent progression tiers require both some minimum level of content completion and some minimum level of top tier roster progression. These progression barriers are hard when they first come out, and get progressively easier as time goes on so that a wider set of players can get past them. That's exactly what we want in progression tiers, and that's not going to change anytime soon.

The new progression titles (Thronebreaker and Paragon) are not a problem, they are a solution to a problem.

Dtom

I see what everyone is saying and it makes sense but to complete abyss and do most carina challenges doesn’t require a big roster it just takes some revive farming. I just thought that it doesn’t matter how much you spend it will still be a challenge to get but it’s just a suggestion and if everyone doesn’t like it I’ll take back what I said

redsoxpatsfan89

Personally from my experience, 100% abyss would be significantly more daunting than 3 6* r4. The amount of units you would need if your not rev farming, could probably get a lot of rank up mats going forward to progress. And if 100% abyss was the requirement, i probably wouldnt get paragon for a few years as im probably waiting for 7* before i try to 100% it lmao. Its too much of a commitment for me. Now thats just my personal opinion though

Demonzfyre

I see what everyone is saying and it makes sense but to complete abyss and do most carina challenges doesn’t require a big roster it just takes some revive farming. I just thought that it doesn’t matter how much you spend it will still be a challenge to get but it’s just a suggestion and if everyone doesn’t like it I’ll take back what I said

I think what you and many are missing is that this title was purposefully aimed at a very small portion of the playerbase intentionally. There are players who literally only have alliance stuff to do month to month because they have caught up on all content. This title was meant to have others' who don't fit that criteria right away, to grow into it as DNA3000 said.

Many people have said they want this or that to be the requirements, mostly because it fits their progression level and it would make them Paragon day 1. Kabam wants to give people something to work towards. Yes people could have paid their way to 3 R4's but that's besides the point. We rarely see people claiming that TB is and RNG money grab like when it was announced because materials are more and more available. We'll see that happen with Paragon as well.

redsoxpatsfan89

Then again im not ftp either by any means. So definitely a bit biased here. But if i was ftp, even less likely i would touch abyss (outside of my initial run i already did)

Snakep

I see what everyone is saying and it makes sense but to complete abyss and do most carina challenges doesn’t require a big roster it just takes some revive farming. I just thought that it doesn’t matter how much you spend it will still be a challenge to get but it’s just a suggestion and if everyone doesn’t like it I’ll take back what I said

Being paragon is not behind a paywall, it’s just behind a paywall to be there day 1. When Thronebreaker was released everyone complained it was only for the whales but now it’s fairly easy to obtain, paragon will be that way in time as well. The problem isn’t that you have to spend money to be paragon but that people think they have to have it as soon as it is released.

Dtom

It’s just that they’re blocking out content and rewards for those who aren’t paragon next month and me and some people I know have no way to get this new content next month

Demonzfyre

It’s just that they’re blocking out content and rewards for those who aren’t paragon next month and me and some people I know have no way to get this new content next month

No content has been blocked out. There are some objectives that will only be available to Paragon but that's it. EoP is for TB and up.

redsoxpatsfan89

I will agree it is behind a paywall for the average or even above average player to get there day 1. Longer term its not. The only 2 ways to get there is ofcourse be one of the ones that has been able to grind for it without spending (very few players) or spending to get there. But thats just for early on. If you have the average or any large amount of players get there on day 1, then at that point is there really a point to the title. Just my view on it

J0eySn0w

The only thing I'd change is 2 r4s instead of 3. Act 7 exploration gives 1 r4 and players can find a way to gather the other r4. Three is just too much and an exploit. The title is for conquerors and imo they are many that I believe have proven themselves in the game with Abyss exploration, story content etc but won't qualify because it's 3 r4s. It favors the spenders whether they are hardcore players or not. But I get OP to some degree...in my books if you earned your Abyss Collector profile pic, completed all the story content you're a conquerors no matter what Kabam says, you just don't have the money and paragon title to show for it yet lol.

redsoxpatsfan89

I would agree with that, if they had something like either 3 6* r4 or 100% abyss. That definitely makes sense to me. Because i agree if you 100% abyss, then in my opinion, you have done more than enough for it.

Wakandas_Finest

I see what everyone is saying and it makes sense but to complete abyss and do most carina challenges doesn’t require a big roster it just takes some revive farming. I just thought that it doesn’t matter how much you spend it will still be a challenge to get but it’s just a suggestion and if everyone doesn’t like it I’ll take back what I said

I just love it when FTP players say things like “ you can just grind for potions and revives” as if everyone has hours upon hours to grind the game. News flash the average player has neither the abundance of time or wealth to invest in this game in order to be anywhere near the top.

Thebombsquad1

Hello everyone,
I am an average player who’s in a plat 1 ally and does map 8 aq and spends occasionally (eg I only spent £13.50 on spring cleaning for a generic 6* awakening gem). I would like to say how happy I am with the game so far apart from excluding content from those who don’t spend money or don’t have the time to grind arena for units and be in a top ally but have completed all the hardest challenges of the contest (eg carina’s challenges, abyss and 7.4 100%). I would like to ask you kabam to maybe not change how to obtain paragon but change how to obtain the next progression titles in the future. As you said you want to test summoners not just by story mode but by other hard content as well to obtain the titles so I would like to suggest you make the requirements different. I think it would be better if you made the requirements not by having a certain rank of a 6* champion but by completing certain content. For example instead of making paragon for people who have 3 rank 4 6* champions you should make it that summoners should have to do x amount of carina challenge and/or complete/100% the abyss. This will allow all summoners to be able to complete this without spending huge amounts of money or units so there is no ‘pay wall’ to new content because if you exclude people they will stop playing.
Thank You for reading
Dtom456

Yes for act 8’s title they should make it 10 r5 6*s

Snakep

I see what everyone is saying and it makes sense but to complete abyss and do most carina challenges doesn’t require a big roster it just takes some revive farming. I just thought that it doesn’t matter how much you spend it will still be a challenge to get but it’s just a suggestion and if everyone doesn’t like it I’ll take back what I said
I just love it when FTP players say things like “ you can just grind for potions and revives” as if everyone has hours upon hours to grind the game. News flash the average player has neither the abundance of time or wealth to invest in this game in order to be anywhere near the top.

I absolutely agree with this. If the OP is in plat 1, running map 8 and has fully explored abyss then he is miles ahead of an average player and is indeed a beast of a top tier player. It does suck that he is not able to get a new progression title when it drops but it is just a game and he will get there. Albeit that the spenders will get a ahead a bit in the meantime but the game has been progressing that way for a while now.

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Phillip14233

Disagree strongly. The rank up requirement is fine, just make it more reasonable, like 2 instead of 3 rank 4’s

2 would of been the sweet spot

Demonzfyre

Disagree strongly. The rank up requirement is fine, just make it more reasonable, like 2 instead of 3 rank 4’s
2 would of been the sweet spot

And some would say 1 is. Others would qualify if it was 4.

altavista

It's not perfect, but progression requirements based more on rank ups are theoretically more inclusive compared to content gating.

To get TB (or Paragon), need rank up materials that players can get from (a) complete permanent content, (b) buy offers, (c) do AW, or (d) complete special events, all over different time scales. Having a bare minimum act completion and level requirement, ensures that players can't entirely just achieve it by completing (b).

FTP can maximize (a) and (d), over a longer time scale.
Whales can maximize (b) and (c), on a shorter time scale.
High skilled players can maximize (c) and (d), potentially in a medium time scale.

If a player hates Abyss or other content, they can minimize that and replace it instead with more (b) and (d).

This method theoretically makes the funnel into the next progression level the biggest it can be.

Side note: I know people are going to point out the lack of R4 rank up material at the moment, but that is something that is solved by time.

People not wanting to complete content is not something that will be solved by time or offers.
While players can argue that only those who 100% Abyss deserve this progression title, that makes no sense from Kabam's standpoint to completely block the progression of players who won't 100% Abyss ever. That would lead to player disinterest, loss of players, and loss of revenue.

WOLF_LINK

i'd go so far as to say "average" players aren't sitting around in Plat 1 alliances doing Map 8 smh.

Yeah, isn’t Platin 1 like Top 50 Allies? He‘s pretty much Top 1% of the players and not considered „average player“. Up there it’s almost impossible to compete without spending … if he doesn’t, maybe his Alli mates spend for him.

I personally think Act 7 + 3x R4 is more fair and average than 100% Abyss + Carina Challenges as requirement.

Creeseaz

"you should make it that summoners should have to do x amount of carina challenge and/or complete/100% the abyss. This will allow all summoners to be able to complete this without spending huge amounts of money or units"

In what universe can you 100% abyss and dona bunch of carinas challenges without spending huge amount of money or units?

A3G0N

"you should make it that summoners should have to do x amount of carina challenge and/or complete/100% the abyss. This will allow all summoners to be able to complete this without spending huge amounts of money or units"

In what universe can you 100% abyss and dona bunch of carinas challenges without spending huge amount of money or units?

You can grind revives and potions. This has been done by competitive FTP summoners.

Prentex

When Paragon title was announced i thought i'd like it more when there was like a threshold of a certain prestige level instead of specifically 3 R4 champs. Meaning if for example you can only form 2 R4s but have some sig 200 high prestige R3s you can also get there...but maybe this would be too complicated.
For me it will take a while to get 3 R4, i have the rank up gem from 100% Act 7 but only 1T6B and 1T3A, but thats fine, other players are simply further in the game, i still have to do some carina challenges and 3 paths of abyss. I see it more as a motivation to finish this content faster. Anyway those rank up materials will get more available in the future so more players will get to Paragon

Dtom

When I said 100% the abyss that was silly of me because not many people will complete it and I just thought that an alternative way to get the new title would be better so if you did everything kabam threw at you you would be able to receive the title as well. But as I can see everyone disagrees so maybe they should keep it how it is. However I think they should hold off releasing challenges and extra rewards for paragons until the controversy of it is over.

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