Do I think it fair they released the requirements after the original offer?
I don't think it is unfair.
I don't know where people get the idea that they deserve perfect forward information about the future. You're presented with the choices you're offered and you have to make those choices with imperfect information. You don't get to know everything, and things can change at any time. Informed choice only goes so far: it does not extend to a right to know the future, and it does not extend to a right to know unannounced things.
Part of playing the game is making choices and then living with them. There's no "if I had known I would have done differently." That's the point. I know there's a lot of people who think differently, and frankly I don't know how they manage to live their lives on Earth.
The only interesting questions are the ones you don't have the answer in the back of the book, If I knew what the consequences of all of my decisions in the game would be, they wouldn't be worth spending any of my time making them. That's not playing a game, that is piloting a monorail.
It's not a pro-player move because now that I think about it, act 7 exploration rewards should include at least one full catalyst of each (tier 6 basic, tier 3 alpha) A pro-player move would be to buff the act 7 exploration rewards. It wouldn't get everyone to paragon but it would be more fair.
they're charging 10,000 units because completion/exploration rewards are not enough to bring up a 6 star to rank 4 on their own So this whole thing is a mess.
I will point out that this entire exercise was a "pro-player move".
Had it been done correctly yes, it would have been.
Are people not able to go back and purchase it to work towards Paragon? Seems to me the issue stems from the fact that some got an inadvertent benefit and not the gesture itself.
The only reason they delayed it so many days is to get it right and sort through the data and send it only to those that passed up the offer. I can understand if the offer went out inadvertently to everyone who completed act 7 but they sent it basically to everyone initially. Even people who are cavalier. Thats actually a big time mess up. Care to explain how this happened? They might as well have sent this offer 2 weeks ago.
So, the only group that got screwed, are the people that actually completed act7.4 and skipped the offer (not knowing about the paragon)? Nice one... SMH
I will point out that this entire exercise was a "pro-player move".
Had it been done correctly yes, it would have been.
Are people not able to go back and purchase it to work towards Paragon? Seems to me the issue stems from the fact that some got an inadvertent benefit and not the gesture itself.
The only reason they delayed it so many days is to get it right and sort through the data and send it only to those that passed up the offer. I can understand if the offer went out inadvertently to everyone who completed act 7 but they sent it basically to everyone initially. Even people who are cavalier. Thats actually a big time mess up. Care to explain how this happened? They might as well have sent this offer 2 weeks ago.
It's not a pro-player move because now that I think about it, act 7 exploration rewards should include at least one full catalyst of each (tier 6 basic, tier 3 alpha) A pro-player move would be to buff the act 7 exploration rewards. It wouldn't get everyone to paragon but it would be more fair.
they're charging 10,000 units because completion/exploration rewards are not enough to bring up a 6 star to rank 4 on their own So this whole thing is a mess.
Act 7 exploration includes a rank up gem. Everyone can r4 a champ after exploring.
Do I think it fair they released the requirements after the original offer?
I don't think it is unfair.
I don't know where people get the idea that they deserve perfect forward information about the future. You're presented with the choices you're offered and you have to make those choices with imperfect information. You don't get to know everything, and things can change at any time. Informed choice only goes so far: it does not extend to a right to know the future, and it does not extend to a right to know unannounced things.
Part of playing the game is making choices and then living with them. There's no "if I had known I would have done differently." That's the point. I know there's a lot of people who think differently, and frankly I don't know how they manage to live their lives on Earth.
The only interesting questions are the ones you don't have the answer in the back of the book, If I knew what the consequences of all of my decisions in the game would be, they wouldn't be worth spending any of my time making them. That's not playing a game, that is piloting a monorail.
If there is no if I had known I would have done differently then why is kabam reoffering this deal in the first place? It’s because people were not informed of the requirements for paragon ahead of time. And I am not complaining at all about missing it the first time. When I heard the requirements I knew I wasn’t going to make it day 1 but that I’d be able to work towards it and make it soon, presumably by the 4th of July. The fact that this offer was reoffered was just a bonus to me. However, at the time of the original release of this offer they certainly knew the requirements for paragon and chose not to release them. As a business that is certainly their right but if they had then all of this messed could have been avoided.
Also, the previous comment from Miike has validity. Some people have Units. Not everyone is sitting on 20k, or even 10k, and the people who are hoarding Units are likely just about there, if not there to begin with.
It's not a pro-player move because now that I think about it, act 7 exploration rewards should include at least one full catalyst of each (tier 6 basic, tier 3 alpha) A pro-player move would be to buff the act 7 exploration rewards. It wouldn't get everyone to paragon but it would be more fair.
they're charging 10,000 units because completion/exploration rewards are not enough to bring up a 6 star to rank 4 on their own So this whole thing is a mess.
Act 7 exploration includes a rank up gem. Everyone can r4 a champ after exploring.
@Kabam Miike I explored act 7 before April 24th and I was eligible for 10k offer. But I didn't purchased it for first time. But now I brought it just few mins back. Can you please clarify whether this 10k offer will be re-enabled for 3rd time on later dates.
Why do u keep doing this, Kabam!! Stop tempting me with these offers!! And to make matters worse, u can only pick 1!! U mind as well as me to choose between my liver and kidneys!! I...can't...decide...
I will point out that this entire exercise was a "pro-player move".
Had it been done correctly yes, it would have been.
Are people not able to go back and purchase it to work towards Paragon? Seems to me the issue stems from the fact that some got an inadvertent benefit and not the gesture itself.
The only reason they delayed it so many days is to get it right and sort through the data and send it only to those that passed up the offer. I can understand if the offer went out inadvertently to everyone who completed act 7 but they sent it basically to everyone initially. Even people who are cavalier. Thats actually a big time mess up. Care to explain how this happened? They might as well have sent this offer 2 weeks ago.
I will point out that this entire exercise was a "pro-player move".
Had it been done correctly yes, it would have been.
Are people not able to go back and purchase it to work towards Paragon? Seems to me the issue stems from the fact that some got an inadvertent benefit and not the gesture itself.
The only reason they delayed it so many days is to get it right and sort through the data and send it only to those that passed up the offer. I can understand if the offer went out inadvertently to everyone who completed act 7 but they sent it basically to everyone initially. Even people who are cavalier. Thats actually a big time mess up. Care to explain how this happened? They might as well have sent this offer 2 weeks ago.
People spend in the game. It’s a fact, it keeps the game running, it is what it is..so either spend your life in arena for units or pay to play, if you can…. If you can’t it’s not kabamms fault and they don’t owe you the same experience in mcoc as someone who spends.
I will point out that this entire exercise was a "pro-player move".
Had it been done correctly yes, it would have been.
Are people not able to go back and purchase it to work towards Paragon? Seems to me the issue stems from the fact that some got an inadvertent benefit and not the gesture itself.
The only reason they delayed it so many days is to get it right and sort through the data and send it only to those that passed up the offer. I can understand if the offer went out inadvertently to everyone who completed act 7 but they sent it basically to everyone initially. Even people who are cavalier. Thats actually a big time mess up. Care to explain how this happened? They might as well have sent this offer 2 weeks ago.
A human being made an error.
Very convenient!! Dont you think?
For me, yes. For him, not so much.
Are you suggesting someone might get fired or maybe get a raise 😈
I will point out that this entire exercise was a "pro-player move".
Had it been done correctly yes, it would have been.
Are people not able to go back and purchase it to work towards Paragon? Seems to me the issue stems from the fact that some got an inadvertent benefit and not the gesture itself.
The only reason they delayed it so many days is to get it right and sort through the data and send it only to those that passed up the offer. I can understand if the offer went out inadvertently to everyone who completed act 7 but they sent it basically to everyone initially. Even people who are cavalier. Thats actually a big time mess up. Care to explain how this happened? They might as well have sent this offer 2 weeks ago.
A human being made an error.
Very convenient!! Dont you think?
For me, yes. For him, not so much.
Are you suggesting someone might get fired or maybe get a raise 😈
They are at the very least getting a fruit basket from Hawaii.
I will point out that this entire exercise was a "pro-player move".
Had it been done correctly yes, it would have been.
Are people not able to go back and purchase it to work towards Paragon? Seems to me the issue stems from the fact that some got an inadvertent benefit and not the gesture itself.
The only reason they delayed it so many days is to get it right and sort through the data and send it only to those that passed up the offer. I can understand if the offer went out inadvertently to everyone who completed act 7 but they sent it basically to everyone initially. Even people who are cavalier. Thats actually a big time mess up. Care to explain how this happened? They might as well have sent this offer 2 weeks ago.
A human being made an error.
Very convenient!! Dont you think?
For me, yes. For him, not so much.
Are you suggesting someone might get fired or maybe get a raise 😈
They are at the very least getting a fruit basket from Hawaii.
I will point out that this entire exercise was a "pro-player move".
Had it been done correctly yes, it would have been.
Are people not able to go back and purchase it to work towards Paragon? Seems to me the issue stems from the fact that some got an inadvertent benefit and not the gesture itself.
The only reason they delayed it so many days is to get it right and sort through the data and send it only to those that passed up the offer. I can understand if the offer went out inadvertently to everyone who completed act 7 but they sent it basically to everyone initially. Even people who are cavalier. Thats actually a big time mess up. Care to explain how this happened? They might as well have sent this offer 2 weeks ago.
A human being made an error.
Very convenient!! Dont you think?
For me, yes. For him, not so much.
Are you suggesting someone might get fired or maybe get a raise 😈
They are at the very least getting a fruit basket from Hawaii.
Add a round trip and a luxury stay at Hawaii to eat those fruits and we can say thats good enough for this human error.
I hesitate to take the offer I am at 12.7k unit. If the 4th of July is bad with the new title it's fine but if it's very good I'm going to regret having taken it now..
I hesitate to take the offer I am at 12.7k unit. If the 4th of July is bad with the new title it's fine but if it's very good I'm going to regret having taken it now..
You can be assured that the 4th of July offers for paragon will be infinitely better than for thronebreakers.
Whats annoying is that I am grinding for units and deliberately holding off on 7.4 until I can afford the offer.
I don't care that some are able to get it twice now but I think the only fair way to equalise it for everyone is to allow it to be purchased twice at the end of 7.4 for those who didnt purchase today.
I will point out that this entire exercise was a "pro-player move".
Had it been done correctly yes, it would have been.
Are people not able to go back and purchase it to work towards Paragon? Seems to me the issue stems from the fact that some got an inadvertent benefit and not the gesture itself.
The only reason they delayed it so many days is to get it right and sort through the data and send it only to those that passed up the offer. I can understand if the offer went out inadvertently to everyone who completed act 7 but they sent it basically to everyone initially. Even people who are cavalier. Thats actually a big time mess up. Care to explain how this happened? They might as well have sent this offer 2 weeks ago.
A human being made an error.
You've been around long enough to know that this statement is only a half truth. They mess up things like this *all the time*. So much so that many people predicted it'd end up going out to everyone in the end. And it did. At what point do all of these "errors" become ineptitude?
Was it just a simple error? Maybe. Was it too difficult/time-consuming to do what they promised within the timeframe? Also maybe. Was it easier for them to just enable it for everyone Thronebreaker+ rather than do what they promised? Most definitely.
@Kabam Miike People who got the offer after initially completing act 7 got the chance to get the bundle twice. People who did not complete act 7 till now got it once and will again get a chance when they complete it. So they will be also getting 2 chances of getting the bundle The only way to make it fair for everyone is to re- offer this bundle to people who did not pick up after their initial clear. This is the only way all players will get 2 opportunities to get this offer after they had the knowledge about paragon requirements and will keep everyone on a level playing field.
@Kabam Miike People who got the offer after initially completing act 7 got the chance to get the bundle twice. People who did not complete act 7 till now got it once and will again get a chance when they complete it. So they will be also getting 2 chances of getting the bundle The only way to make it fair for everyone is to re- offer this bundle to people who did not pick up after their initial clear. This is the only way all players will get 2 opportunities to get this offer after they had the knowledge about paragon requirements and will keep everyone on a level playing field.
If you passed on the offer initially and bought it today, you had two opportunities just like everyone else.
Well, this is pretty much the reaction I was expecting.
Personally I think that the solution chosen was probably the only workable solution.
Like @DNA3000 says, a mistake was made by someone human in Kabam.
It offered a potential benefit to the players, whether they were spenders or hoarders.
And yes, it was fundamentally unfair.
But given the complexity of rectifying the situation, almost any solution was going to be unfair, too. Leaving the accidental offer open for 24 hrs isn't a great solution. But it was probably the least worst solution, since it's even-handedly unfair to all players.
Sure Kabam could have just taken down the offer and not brought it back. But news like this travels very fast, and there will clearly be r4 champions tonight that weren't around this morning. But those r4 champions wouldn't have been evenly spread around the world, since it was the middle of the night in some places when this offer accidentally ran.
And the the real unfairness of this offer wasn't because of spenders Vs FTP, or because of who happened to have 10,000 units on tap. That's just luck, and it'll even out amongst the players, worldwide.
The real unfairness is the this is an international game, and Alliances in some time zones were asleep when this happened.
A short-lived offer for half an hour or so potentially gave Alliances that caught wind of the mistake a completely unfair advantage in the latter half of the War Season. We're in a placement phase right now; and you'd have to be a fool not to expect more r4 defenders and attackers when it kicks off.
And whilst Kabam could have spent time - a lot of time, that could be better spent elsewhere - combing through their records and steadily removing the resources, ranking down champions... that would take time. Probably several days at the least, during which those champions are active in Alliance Wars. Maybe longer. Winning wars, unbalancing the season.
So what do they do then? Shut down War early? Insta-ban people who purchased the accidental offer? Either of those will just create a whole new wave of unfairness, and demands for compensation. At least the 24-hr-offer solution grants everyone (worldwide) the same opportunity to buy; and dramatically reduces the unbalancing impact on War.
So for me this seems like the closest thing to an equitable solution. It's unfair, and I feel bad for those who can't take advantage, but at least it's dispassionately unfair to everyone, all round the world.
Kabam doesn't owe anyone an explanation or an advance notice of anything. The offer was there before, when u explored Act 7. You choose to buy or u don't, its ur choice. When I first started playing loooooong ago, I didn't know anything and I bought an 'All Father's Odin' the day before the July 4th sale. Guess what, I lost out. It is what it is.
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I don't know where people get the idea that they deserve perfect forward information about the future. You're presented with the choices you're offered and you have to make those choices with imperfect information. You don't get to know everything, and things can change at any time. Informed choice only goes so far: it does not extend to a right to know the future, and it does not extend to a right to know unannounced things.
Part of playing the game is making choices and then living with them. There's no "if I had known I would have done differently." That's the point. I know there's a lot of people who think differently, and frankly I don't know how they manage to live their lives on Earth.
The only interesting questions are the ones you don't have the answer in the back of the book, If I knew what the consequences of all of my decisions in the game would be, they wouldn't be worth spending any of my time making them. That's not playing a game, that is piloting a monorail.
A pro-player move would be to buff the act 7 exploration rewards. It wouldn't get everyone to paragon but it would be more fair.
they're charging 10,000 units because completion/exploration rewards are not enough to bring up a 6 star to rank 4 on their own
So this whole thing is a mess.
Nice one... SMH
Your response is much appreciated.
Stop tempting me with these offers!!
And to make matters worse, u can only pick 1!!
U mind as well as me to choose between my liver and kidneys!!
I...can't...decide...
But I must and I will.
😫
I don't care that some are able to get it twice now but I think the only fair way to equalise it for everyone is to allow it to be purchased twice at the end of 7.4 for those who didnt purchase today.
Was it just a simple error? Maybe.
Was it too difficult/time-consuming to do what they promised within the timeframe? Also maybe.
Was it easier for them to just enable it for everyone Thronebreaker+ rather than do what they promised? Most definitely.
People who did not complete act 7 till now got it once and will again get a chance when they complete it. So they will be also getting 2 chances of getting the bundle
The only way to make it fair for everyone is to re- offer this bundle to people who did not pick up after their initial clear.
This is the only way all players will get 2 opportunities to get this offer after they had the knowledge about paragon requirements and will keep everyone on a level playing field.
Personally I think that the solution chosen was probably the only workable solution.
Like @DNA3000 says, a mistake was made by someone human in Kabam.
It offered a potential benefit to the players, whether they were spenders or hoarders.
And yes, it was fundamentally unfair.
But given the complexity of rectifying the situation, almost any solution was going to be unfair, too. Leaving the accidental offer open for 24 hrs isn't a great solution. But it was probably the least worst solution, since it's even-handedly unfair to all players.
Sure Kabam could have just taken down the offer and not brought it back. But news like this travels very fast, and there will clearly be r4 champions tonight that weren't around this morning. But those r4 champions wouldn't have been evenly spread around the world, since it was the middle of the night in some places when this offer accidentally ran.
And the the real unfairness of this offer wasn't because of spenders Vs FTP, or because of who happened to have 10,000 units on tap. That's just luck, and it'll even out amongst the players, worldwide.
The real unfairness is the this is an international game, and Alliances in some time zones were asleep when this happened.
A short-lived offer for half an hour or so potentially gave Alliances that caught wind of the mistake a completely unfair advantage in the latter half of the War Season. We're in a placement phase right now; and you'd have to be a fool not to expect more r4 defenders and attackers when it kicks off.
And whilst Kabam could have spent time - a lot of time, that could be better spent elsewhere - combing through their records and steadily removing the resources, ranking down champions... that would take time. Probably several days at the least, during which those champions are active in Alliance Wars. Maybe longer. Winning wars, unbalancing the season.
So what do they do then? Shut down War early? Insta-ban people who purchased the accidental offer? Either of those will just create a whole new wave of unfairness, and demands for compensation. At least the 24-hr-offer solution grants everyone (worldwide) the same opportunity to buy; and dramatically reduces the unbalancing impact on War.
So for me this seems like the closest thing to an equitable solution. It's unfair, and I feel bad for those who can't take advantage, but at least it's dispassionately unfair to everyone, all round the world.