Thank you for all your feedback on this topic. I know it's been an ongoing conversation this week and I've been trying to track down any info I can.
The dev team is well aware of the node/champion asynergy. It appears it was a mistake and some defenders were added to the usual list of defenders selected for that Cavalier buff. We are striving to have this be an exception, not the norm. Our apologies!
I also saw some chatter about the Cav EQ rewards. It turns out there are ongoing conversations evaluating potential changes for these rewards! Nothing concrete yet, but more information to come soon!
Jax thanks you for your acknowledgment of such mistakes. It is better than denial or defend the mistakes with nonsense essay.
Thank you for all your feedback on this topic. I know it's been an ongoing conversation this week and I've been trying to track down any info I can.
The dev team is well aware of the node/champion asynergy. It appears it was a mistake and some defenders were added to the usual list of defenders selected for that Cavalier buff. We are striving to have this be an exception, not the norm. Our apologies!
I also saw some chatter about the Cav EQ rewards. It turns out there are ongoing conversations evaluating potential changes for these rewards! Nothing concrete yet, but more information to come soon!
Man, you are good! Finally the communication we've been looking for
Design that detracts from the overall goal is bad design, functions that don’t work confuse consumers , if you’re a designer and your boss says that node makes no sense with that defender and you say, I just wanted to make something that doesn’t work to make it harder then that is bad justification, there are other interactive ways to introduce difficulty without creating features that don’t function . I only commented because nycromancy said the effect of this design was apparently to make people think outside the box whereas nodes that don’t have any way to work have the exact opposite effect, if there isn’t a champ that can actually apply bleed then we actually do go back to smashing through with Hercules, we don’t think outside the box or have to scout and plan on how to apply bleed to a bleed immune champ, we do the opposite and just bring the smasher that we smash through all other non interactive design with
I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone talk about the Emma Frost fight in 1.1.
The node is set up so where if you knock the defender down, you get an evade charge. When the defender attacks, you evade and they get stunned. In diamond form, Emma is stun immune and in her telepath form, she can't be evaded.
How are we supposed to "play the node?"
The tactical advantages on Cav paths are not necessarily going to be optimal for every single fight. There's no cosmic law that says an advantage must exist in every fight to the same degree or it is pointless.
Then why put the node there ???? If the design is failing to deliver the result it supposed to do, then it's pointless and missed the mark
On one hand we have people complaining that Cav difficulty is boring and that we need a new TB difficulty,
And then on the other hand.... this?
Almost like people just want to go looking for reasons to attack Kabam rather than simply playing the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
About the post itself, I don't really see an issue? It's not like Colossus or CGR have ever been difficult fights? Just blow throw it with literally any other champion on your team. While you're crying about not being able to place bleeds on every single champ in a quest, I'm just throwing in 2 of like 6 different mystic champs to just nullify everything and blast through the quests regardless of nodes. Quite literally no difference.
On one hand we have people complaining that Cav difficulty is boring and that we need a new TB difficulty,
And then on the other hand.... this?
Almost like people just want to go looking for reasons to attack Kabam rather than simply playing the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
About the post itself, I don't really see an issue? It's not like Colossus or CGR have ever been difficult fights? Just blow throw it with literally any other champion on your team. While you're crying about not being able to place bleeds on every single champ in a quest, I'm just throwing in 2 of like 6 different mystic champs to just nullify everything and blast through the quests regardless of nodes. Quite literally no difference.
For me, it not necessarily just about the fury/cross charge bonus. In this particular instance, the only way to mitigate the unstoppable was by placing a bleed. What they did here, was add a detrimental node, add a way to offset the detriment by placing bleed. In the process gain a benefit by using set champs (that are probably less likely to be ranked up). By placing bleed immune champs they took away not only the benefit of using different champs and gaining cross charges, they also removed the ability to stop unstoppable. Unstoppable then has to be mitigated by slow champs....... a large portion of slow champs place by using heavy which was also made more difficult by the obstinate charge node. That left you with Stealth Spidey to counter the bleed immunes (and guess what, he has class disadvantage against the likes of colossus and bishop who you can't/don't want to bleed) and having a single counter is never really a good design and has always been complained about.
I get that you can just fight around the unstoppable, which is what I have done, but it doesn't make for enjoyable questing and for those that don't have huge rosters will likely mean they just skip it entirely.
Cav EQ has been laborious for a while, While I need those rewards, I dont enjoyed it. Every month is same for me. I'll blast through it without using a single revive or potion, and live happily for the rest of the month.
Things I don't like(Me problem) -number of paths. Just too many. -Boss nodes of NEW champs, These unrealistic nodes dont help us tackling them in future content like war. So bringing a nuker is preferred.
I also think, getting stressed about CAV eq is a waste of time. Personally I really don't care what they put in cav eq, Im gonna finish that in 2-3 days and move on. So sorry folks... Cav eq doesn't effect me enough to complain about it. If things change: Good for us.
Cav EQ has been laborious for a while, While I need those rewards, I dont enjoyed it. Every month is same for me. I'll blast through it without using a single revive or potion, and live happily for the rest of the month.
Things I don't like(Me problem) -number of paths. Just too many. -Boss nodes of NEW champs, These unrealistic nodes dont help us tackling them in future content like war. So bringing a nuker is preferred.
I also think, getting stressed about CAV eq is a waste of time. Personally I really don't care what they put in cav eq, Im gonna finish that in 2-3 days and move on. So sorry folks... Cav eq doesn't effect me enough to complain about it. If things change: Good for us.
Cav EQ has been laborious for a while, While I need those rewards, I dont enjoyed it. Every month is same for me. I'll blast through it without using a single revive or potion, and live happily for the rest of the month.
Things I don't like(Me problem) -number of paths. Just too many. -Boss nodes of NEW champs, These unrealistic nodes dont help us tackling them in future content like war. So bringing a nuker is preferred.
I also think, getting stressed about CAV eq is a waste of time. Personally I really don't care what they put in cav eq, Im gonna finish that in 2-3 days and move on. So sorry folks... Cav eq doesn't effect me enough to complain about it. If things change: Good for us.
You are flexing by trying not to flex haha
Cav EQ can never be a flex, just like exploring master and heroic isn't legendary.
On the other note: Exploring Master and Heroic is legendary for current month, the energy debacle is a real test of skill and patience.
On one hand we have people complaining that Cav difficulty is boring and that we need a new TB difficulty,
And then on the other hand.... this?
Almost like people just want to go looking for reasons to attack Kabam rather than simply playing the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
About the post itself, I don't really see an issue? It's not like Colossus or CGR have ever been difficult fights? Just blow throw it with literally any other champion on your team. While you're crying about not being able to place bleeds on every single champ in a quest, I'm just throwing in 2 of like 6 different mystic champs to just nullify everything and blast through the quests regardless of nodes. Quite literally no difference.
For me, it not necessarily just about the fury/cross charge bonus. In this particular instance, the only way to mitigate the unstoppable was by placing a bleed. What they did here, was add a detrimental node, add a way to offset the detriment by placing bleed. In the process gain a benefit by using set champs (that are probably less likely to be ranked up). By placing bleed immune champs they took away not only the benefit of using different champs and gaining cross charges, they also removed the ability to stop unstoppable. Unstoppable then has to be mitigated by slow champs....... a large portion of slow champs place by using heavy which was also made more difficult by the obstinate charge node. That left you with Stealth Spidey to counter the bleed immunes (and guess what, he has class disadvantage against the likes of colossus and bishop who you can't/don't want to bleed) and having a single counter is never really a good design and has always been complained about.
I get that you can just fight around the unstoppable, which is what I have done, but it doesn't make for enjoyable questing and for those that don't have huge rosters will likely mean they just skip it entirely.
I'm not sure how you managed to completely ignore the entire mystic class with your post, especially considering what champions counter the boss of that quest hardest. Guess who has a naturally good match-up against both Colossus and CGR, and can shut down the unstoppables entirely?
Know who else can shut down the unstoppables?
Tigra Doom (doesn't have to parry to heavy, btw) Sym Supreme Sorc Supreme (also slows, btw) Longshot Mojo Dragon Man Diablo
Don't have any of these? We also have non-mystic options:
She-Hulk Spider Gwen Quake CapIW
Not that you can't just play around the unstoppables with any high damage champion. And if you really don' have a single one of these champions, you probably just have an underdeveloped roster. Also, the whole "they need to heavy" argument is rendered moot by the fact that you can land heavies by 1. Reparrying, 2. Baiting and punishing heavies, and 3. Baiting and punishing specials
People claiming quest is easy and there are workarounds are missing the whole point. All these global nodes were added to make the quest easier and less time consuming. This is not a sop or gauntlet fight that you can spend 5 minutes on each fight. There are 7 paths in 3.1 that you need to complete to fully explore. If there are nodes to make life easy and defenders which negate said node, thereby adding unnecessary time, it’s a bad design. And kabam jax has accepted it’s a mistake. Still people want to argue about how this is not an issue.
I also saw some chatter about the Cav EQ rewards. It turns out there are ongoing conversations evaluating potential changes for these rewards! Nothing concrete yet, but more information to come soon!
It's official, Jax is my second favorite Kabam guy after Broccoli.
On one hand we have people complaining that Cav difficulty is boring and that we need a new TB difficulty,
And then on the other hand.... this?
Almost like people just want to go looking for reasons to attack Kabam rather than simply playing the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
About the post itself, I don't really see an issue? It's not like Colossus or CGR have ever been difficult fights? Just blow throw it with literally any other champion on your team. While you're crying about not being able to place bleeds on every single champ in a quest, I'm just throwing in 2 of like 6 different mystic champs to just nullify everything and blast through the quests regardless of nodes. Quite literally no difference.
This has a very simple explanation for anyone willing to think before they speak. CEQ is constantly being rebalanced to be harder. It is significantly harder than it was in early 2021 or late 2020. What does this mean? That cavalier players are finding it more and more challenging to be able to complete Cavalier EQ. On the other hand, the people asking for TBEQ are thronebreaker players. If that wasn't clear from the name TBEQ. Late-game thronebreaker players are not finding CEQ difficult. Cavalier players are.
The most significant problem here is that CEQ is being balanced for TB players, making it harder and harder each passing month for cavalier players, who are the target player base for CEQ. That is why we need TBEQ. Not because CEQ is too easy, but because CEQ is getting harder than it should be.
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Yeah, and now? I don't care about your excuses anymore.....
This was my suggestion on june 7th.
And then on the other hand.... this?
Almost like people just want to go looking for reasons to attack Kabam rather than simply playing the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
About the post itself, I don't really see an issue? It's not like Colossus or CGR have ever been difficult fights? Just blow throw it with literally any other champion on your team. While you're crying about not being able to place bleeds on every single champ in a quest, I'm just throwing in 2 of like 6 different mystic champs to just nullify everything and blast through the quests regardless of nodes. Quite literally no difference.
I get that you can just fight around the unstoppable, which is what I have done, but it doesn't make for enjoyable questing and for those that don't have huge rosters will likely mean they just skip it entirely.
Cav EQ has been laborious for a while,
While I need those rewards, I dont enjoyed it. Every month is same for me. I'll blast through it without using a single revive or potion, and live happily for the rest of the month.
Things I don't like(Me problem)
-number of paths. Just too many.
-Boss nodes of NEW champs,
These unrealistic nodes dont help us tackling them in future content like war. So bringing a nuker is preferred.
I also think, getting stressed about CAV eq is a waste of time.
Personally I really don't care what they put in cav eq, Im gonna finish that in 2-3 days and move on.
So sorry folks... Cav eq doesn't effect me enough to complain about it.
If things change: Good for us.
On the other note:
Exploring Master and Heroic is legendary for current month, the energy debacle is a real test of skill and patience.
Know who else can shut down the unstoppables?
Tigra
Doom (doesn't have to parry to heavy, btw)
Sym Supreme
Sorc Supreme (also slows, btw)
Longshot
Mojo
Dragon Man
Diablo
Don't have any of these? We also have non-mystic options:
She-Hulk
Spider Gwen
Quake
CapIW
Not that you can't just play around the unstoppables with any high damage champion. And if you really don' have a single one of these champions, you probably just have an underdeveloped roster. Also, the whole "they need to heavy" argument is rendered moot by the fact that you can land heavies by 1. Reparrying, 2. Baiting and punishing heavies, and 3. Baiting and punishing specials
Dr. Zola
The most significant problem here is that CEQ is being balanced for TB players, making it harder and harder each passing month for cavalier players, who are the target player base for CEQ. That is why we need TBEQ. Not because CEQ is too easy, but because CEQ is getting harder than it should be.