Mysterio and the buff program (Warning; Long post! TLDR at bottom)

Why buff Mysterio?

So after seeing the recent buffs given to champs I couldn't help but think about one thing: "These buff types are almost meant for Mysterio". Now before I get into this I wanna point out this is not an attack or complaint about the buffs. I actually like a lot of them and think Jane her buff was a nice thing to have, but it is not the focus of this post!
(Also quick disclaimer, English isn't my first language so I will try my best but I might fail)

Looking at Jane her buff she got the following changes:
-Synergy in basekit
-Sig ability in basekit
-Some number changes

I think the fact Jane was a rather underwhelming champion prior to this buff the changes were considered to be "minimal" by a lot of people. However I think Mysterio is in a lot better position and could easily reach a much better state of gameplay with this type of buff without becoming a super OP god-tier champ that breaks the meta.

As it currently stants Mysterio is not the most popular champ and I think that comes down one tiny design flaw. The guy cannot acces his utility and damage at the same time. This forces him to choose and TBH, the damage and utility is rather underwhelming without putting all focus on it. That is why I think a buff like Jane got would be perfect for Mysterio!

Improving the Fishbowl

Looking at Mysterio his kit I think it is pretty clear to me where to make these changes:
-Peni synergy basekit
-Sig ability basekit
-Change some numbers
-Bonus idea: add a new synergy

I think if we made the synergy and sig basekit for Mysterio he would have a much easier time inflicting damage and using his utility. I also think he would not be anywhere near overpowered or meta changing cause these things already exist and aside from Abyss Thing you rarely see Mysterio used in game with all these options open.

I also wanna toutch on some numbers of him. First of all I think the SP1 is clearly an ability that only serves the defense use, and I am okay with that. So I won't change it. However his SP2 powerdrain has the option to be a lot better on offense. Currently you can get up to 7 seconds off power drain. With 6% of max power drained per second. This means at most you drain 42%. If we increased this 6% to a higher number or we increased the duration it could be a bit more appealing. However I do wanna throw out the option of maybe making it a power steal where 50% of power drained is granted to Mysterio (maybe make it so this only counts when helmet not broken). Lastly the heal block. 1 second basekit + 6 possible seconds feels really short. Maybe make it 5 seconds basekit with extra time based on gas.

Lastly if we make the sig his basekit he is gonna need a new one. I wanted to offer a personal idea of mine I think fits the character rather well:

Grand Illusion:
Once per fight when Mysterio would be knocked out he instead becomes damage immune for 1-5 (depends on sig level) seconds + 1 second for each gas charge he has. Additionally he enters his 2sp miss phase for the duration of this ability.

TLDR

Mysterio is a champ that can benefit from a Jane style buff. Make the synergy and sig ability basekit. Change some numbers and he is good to go. This won't be OP cause the options are already in game for him to use the synergy and sig but he is still rarely seen.

Comments

Mysterio

Also just wanted to state that my goal with this post is mainly to help outcome through some feedback. I think this character could be a great pick for the types of buffs they are giving and maybe my suggestions can inspire them. Have a good day whoever reads this!

AMS94

But Mysterio will end up being good with such a buff
At this point it's probably very clear that the objective of the buff program is not to make champs good but to tick the check box that they "buffed" a champ

Colinwhitworth69

Mysterio would be pretty amazing like that. Maybe too amazing.

Darkness275

But Mysterio will end up being good with such a buff
At this point it's probably very clear that the objective of the buff program is not to make champs good but to tick the check box that they "buffed" a champ

I don't think that's fair - I haven't actually worked it out but I'm willing to say that FAR more champions come out of their reworks noticeably better than where they were before. Very few come out as duds and even fewer come out worse than they were prior to being changed.

This is honestly two-fold and Kabam aren't to blame. Or, they're not alone at least.
Have some reworks been underwhelming? Yes. But those characters are still slightly better than what they were prior to the change.

Perhaps Kabam could take in more player feedback - something they've actually improved on quite a bit (yes it occasionally falters, but we're all human and mistakes will happen.) In key with this, perhaps we should start lowering our expectations and having some more reasonable standards for champion buffs/reworks.

OP - Love the Mysterio concept btw, love the theme that he's all about avoiding damage.

Mysterio

OP - Love the Mysterio concept btw, love the theme that he's all about avoiding damage.

Mysterio is a real fighter and would never run from damage!!! (Please don't beat me :c)

Mysterio

But Mysterio will end up being good with such a buff
At this point it's probably very clear that the objective of the buff program is not to make champs good but to tick the check box that they "buffed" a champ

Ebony Maw (heavily underrated), Colossus, Venom, Spider-Gwen, She-Hulk, Magento, Falcon, Gambit, Mole Man, Terrax, Kingpin, Masacre, Angela, Crossbones, Vulture (underrated), Black Panther, Ultron, Diablo, Bishop, King Groot, Thor Rag, Storm and maybe someone else I forgot, would like to argue with this statement.

Cat_Murdock

With your name and profile pic both being Mysterio, it makes it look like the champ is self-advocating for a buff 😆

pseudosane

having the peni synergy on base itself would be a massive win.

Mysterio

With your name and profile pic both being Mysterio, it makes it look like the champ is self-advocating for a buff 😆

Quickly made this to respond.

Mysterio

having the peni synergy on base itself would be a massive win.

No illusions detected in this message, 100% truth!

Mysterio

Oh I totally forgot to mention this in the post, but the "Bonus idea: new synergy" is there cause Mysterio is the only Sinister Six member without a Synergy on his own for Sinister Six champs and that always bothered me!

Sachhyam257

I'm not well versed in the ways of Mysterio but isn't he already pretty good with the Peni synergy?

Mysterio

I'm not well versed in the ways of Mysterio but isn't he already pretty good with the Peni synergy?

I would say an awakened Mysterio + Peni synergy is a pretty solid champ. No where near the top of the class or meta but a decent champ. I just think that if a champion like Storm, who becomes god-tier with Apoc synergy can be buffed and now be great on her own and still have that synergy, so can Mysterio. #JusticeForTheFishbowl

willrun4adonut

Wouldn’t his make you feel even sadder for not having a r4 Mysterious though?

Mysterio

Wouldn’t his make you feel even sadder for not having a r4 Mysterious though?

Forget r4, I don't even have a r1 :c

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Mysterio

Mysterio can have Peni synergy with himself and sigability as a synergy with himself as well, like YJ has!
And no need of buff, just a new synergy!

Mysterio can and Mysterio will! (If someone from Kabam reads this)

Stuch

As someone with a rank 2 6* of the illusionist, I think this is perfect. I also wonder what we’d do with peni’s synergy now

Mysterio

As someone with a rank 2 6* of the illusionist, I think this is perfect. I also wonder what we’d do with peni’s synergy now

Make a new one, can be anything really. Maybe +100000% poison damage?

Stuch

As someone with a rank 2 6* of the illusionist, I think this is perfect. I also wonder what we’d do with peni’s synergy now
Make a new one, can be anything really. Maybe +100000% poison damage?

Perfectly balanced as a things should be

altavista

Pretty good suggestions in terms of changing his kit. I'd argue that a good buff would look at his gameplay loop.

The thing that prevents me from liking Mysterio over other tech champions, is that his playstyle feels 'clunky' for lack of a better word. And that revolves around the Poison-Special interaction.

Poison is Mysterio's currency that gets cashed in with every special or every heavy (unless you have Peni Parker synergy). This makes it so that you are essentially banned from using SP1/2/3 or heavies if you are going for something specific (power drain, heal block, or damage modifiers). With the addition of effects with timer after each special, the playstyle loop doesn't quite reach that flow state.

For example, if you build to SP3 and cash in chemical gas, you afterwards have to race to do MM (x3 for maximum efficacy), and then heavy within the 22 second window (maximum time). You have to hope for the AI to be aggressive/compliant, but in my experience the AI turtles up more while this timer is ticking down.

Potential changes could be -
1. Not losing Chemical Gas charges on at least one of the specials (just look at Peni for instance - only her SP2 cashes in her charges, allowing you to use SP1 or SP3 flexibly)
2. Changing timers or giving some way to pause timers.

Panchulon21

Not that I don’t want this but there are other champs who are way worse than mysterio who should be ahead of him.

Antman
Iron patriot
Ironman
Blackbolt
Jane foster (yes her buff was useless)
Beast
Dr Strange
Phoenix
Psylocke (just values)
Kamala
OG hulk
Rhino
Jugg
Unstoppable colossus

And these are all old champs. At least mysterio is viable in some content.

Mysterio

Not that I don’t want this but there are other champs who are way worse than mysterio who should be ahead of him.

Antman
Iron patriot
Ironman
Blackbolt
Jane foster (yes her buff was useless)
Beast
Dr Strange
Phoenix
Psylocke (just values)
Kamala
OG hulk
Rhino
Jugg
Unstoppable colossus

And these are all old champs. At least mysterio is viable in some content.

My thought was that most of those champs need a full on rework, something that takes Kabam more time than number changes. Usually they are working on a rework and give us number changes between. That's why I offer Mysterio for a number change buff.