Magneto still places magnetize on Archangel and that also reduces ability accuracy. 🤔
It also allows Magneto to gain a fairly Attack bonus and Perfect Block, and to inflict Shrapnel Bleeds.
So it's an effect with multiple effects other than pure AAR; so it fits that it should still apply to Archangel (or Mysterio, who is also #Metal and immune to AAR)
Magneto still places magnetize on Archangel and that also reduces ability accuracy. 🤔
Magnetizing the opponent has other effects beyond reducing their Ability Accuracy. Magneto's abilities are also enhanced in that case, and regen rate is reduced. AAR is not the only function of magnetizing.
So Disorient should only reduce block proficiency and not archangels ability accuracy right?
Magneto still places magnetize on Archangel and that also reduces ability accuracy. 🤔
Magnetizing the opponent has other effects beyond reducing their Ability Accuracy. Magneto's abilities are also enhanced in that case, and regen rate is reduced. AAR is not the only function of magnetizing.
What about Falcon’s lock on, or Apoc’s shrug off counter?
Or what about Archangel being immune to AAR, but disorient still making him fail parries?
I spoke to our Designers about this, looking to get some insight into why we made the change. This is what they had to say:
"The core reason behind this decision was that we got numerous reports of players expecting Neutralize (especially Wiccan’s Neutralize) to work the same way as Concussion when it comes to Champions who counter to Ability Accuracy reduction (primarily Archangel and Mysterio).
Those Champion’s info pages say their "Ability Accuracy cannot be decreased." And then, in practice, when receiving an effect that ONLY lowers Ability Accuracy, the effect just doesn't apply (similar to an Immunity). This was a precedent set by Concussion and Archangel, so therefore Neutralize had to follow the same pattern.
The alternate option was to do exactly as some players have suggested. We change these AAR-resistant Champs to keep the effect on them but ignore the impact of it (so you see the HUD icon, but it doesn't do anything). But doing this would actually be a huge change due to how the code works and, therefore, a bigger risk of introducing bugs. And in many cases, this change would actually make these Champs worse. And one of them is Archangel, who is a very important Champ to a lot of people.
So we made the call to keep things as close as possible to the precedent that was set. And that has negative impacts on Tigra (and Wiccan, who was the entire reason we did this in the first place).
We intentionally didn't touch “composite” effects like Slow or Disorient. That would be an even bigger change and the precedent for how those work against Archangel is a little... looser"
I hope this explains the reasoning behind the change.
Sheesh. These interactions are going to be so complicated, you'll have to do deep dives to figure out what's working as intended and what's broken. So what's the difference between Neutralize that applies but doesn't reduce AA and Omega Sentinel where bleed and poison effects still apply but don't do their usual functions including poison's regen reduction?
OS is immune to the damage not the effect.
They still apply though. Regardless if any additional effects may also apply. Why couldn't they do the same for other champs? Archangel, for instance, would be immune to the AAR of Neutralize and not the effect itself specifically, correct?
Immune to bleed effects is not the same as takes no bleed damage (bleed effects proc), and Immune to AAR (effects still proc) is not the same as Immune to Neutralize/Concussion/etc.
OS is probably the worst example to use. Her explicitly states she's immune to damage from bleed and poison and immune to the reduction in healing from poison. The "effect" is the debuff icon which process the self repair to start. The effect is needed for part of her mechanics to work. It's roughly the same mechanic as Corvus. He's immune to bleed damage as long as he has charges.
AA is immune to AAR. Neutralize IS AAR because it's sole purpose is to prevent buffs from happening. So the effect should not proc. Just like Nimrod being immune to Bleed. The effect can't proc because he's immune.
Bleed and Poison effect immunity is not the same as AAR immunity. Neutralize effect immunity would be the same as Bleed and Poison effect immunity. There are already multiple examples of effects that proc without doing anything typically inherent to the effect due to the champ they are applied to (direct damage or AAR). Corvus is still susceptible to those debuffs while he has charges, he doesn't take damage. OS is the same in that the effects still proc, they just don't cause damage. So in the future, Kabam could tie an effect to Bleed, Coldsnap, etc. and it wouldn't be an issue. If a future champ would have another effect tied to applying Neutralize, would it still apply to AA or any other AAR immune champ? We can say, "They can avoid that". That's true. But why limit themselves with complications instead of following mechanics they've already incorporated into the game?
Magneto still places magnetize on Archangel and that also reduces ability accuracy. 🤔
Magnetizing the opponent has other effects beyond reducing their Ability Accuracy. Magneto's abilities are also enhanced in that case, and regen rate is reduced. AAR is not the only function of magnetizing.
So Disorient should only reduce block proficiency and not archangels ability accuracy right?
It should apply and when Archangel performs something where ability accuracy comes into play while under the effect, there would be an "immune" callout.
Ok my only issue is there not immune to neutralize there immune to AAR so it should be like ultron or nimrod just doesn’t effect them because nerutox is passive effect that effects ability accuracy why isn’t it countered by AAR immune I don’t think it’s fair that aa isn’t effect but these other champs are
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So it's an effect with multiple effects other than pure AAR; so it fits that it should still apply to Archangel (or Mysterio, who is also #Metal and immune to AAR)
Or what about Archangel being immune to AAR, but disorient still making him fail parries?
There are already multiple examples of effects that proc without doing anything typically inherent to the effect due to the champ they are applied to (direct damage or AAR). Corvus is still susceptible to those debuffs while he has charges, he doesn't take damage. OS is the same in that the effects still proc, they just don't cause damage. So in the future, Kabam could tie an effect to Bleed, Coldsnap, etc. and it wouldn't be an issue. If a future champ would have another effect tied to applying Neutralize, would it still apply to AA or any other AAR immune champ? We can say, "They can avoid that". That's true. But why limit themselves with complications instead of following mechanics they've already incorporated into the game?