Do the right thing kabam!

With battle grounds coming to an end I'm curious to see if any if the modders are punished. I personally believe they should receive no rank rewards. I also believe their alliances they are in should receive no rank rewards. And for the people that's going to say "but their alliance doesn't know". I can guarantee they do know and probably multiple people in there do it and tell each other how to do it. Ban their accounts and clean the game up. It's quite unfair to those of us who play the right way. Especially when we've played this game for 4,5, and 6 years. Make it happen Karam and show some integrity and loyalty to your long standing players that play the game the right way.

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frodo2377

Modder/Cheater accounts should be banned and receive no rewards. I think everyone agrees on that. No rank rewards for the alliances they are in is not going to happen. That being said....I do believe that if "Player A" has been found guilty of cheating in BGs....all their points should be canceled out for solo and Ally events.

Sokrates_77

Although I have been playing for 7 years and I am Thronebreaker, I am still kind of a noob. What is modder and how do one cheat at battlegrounds? Is sandbagging cheating? Almost 50% of the people I played against were sandbagging. I am asking since I want to make sure I am seen as cheating.

J0eySn0w

The cheaters definitely should be banned and receive no rewards. The alliance however imo should be notified and if it happens for X number of times should be punished with reduced rank rewards but not zero rewards. That will shift some of the responsibilities from Kabam to alliances in combating cheating and modding. A lot of alliances dislike modding and when they’re notified of a cheater will definitely investigate. An alliance member played a modder yesterday, reported to the alliance leader and they removed him. Many times when alliances have a modder, after some time some teammates will suspect unless they don’t play competitive alliance modes. A report from someone else in a different alliance will either confirm the suspicion or will move them to serious investigations.

The_2nd_collector

With battle grounds coming to an end I'm curious to see if any if the modders are punished. I personally believe they should receive no rank rewards. I also believe their alliances they are in should receive no rank rewards. And for the people that's going to say "but their alliance doesn't know". I can guarantee they do know and probably multiple people in there do it and tell each other how to do it. Ban their accounts and clean the game up. It's quite unfair to those of us who play the right way. Especially when we've played this game for 4,5, and 6 years. Make it happen Karam and show some integrity and loyalty to your long standing players that play the game the right way.

They'll just make new mod accounts lol

Dwayne55

With battle grounds coming to an end I'm curious to see if any if the modders are punished. I personally believe they should receive no rank rewards. I also believe their alliances they are in should receive no rank rewards. And for the people that's going to say "but their alliance doesn't know". I can guarantee they do know and probably multiple people in there do it and tell each other how to do it. Ban their accounts and clean the game up. It's quite unfair to those of us who play the right way. Especially when we've played this game for 4,5, and 6 years. Make it happen Karam and show some integrity and loyalty to your long standing players that play the game the right way.
They'll just make new mod accounts lol

It takes years to build a big account.

Pikolu

With battle grounds coming to an end I'm curious to see if any if the modders are punished. I personally believe they should receive no rank rewards. I also believe their alliances they are in should receive no rank rewards. And for the people that's going to say "but their alliance doesn't know". I can guarantee they do know and probably multiple people in there do it and tell each other how to do it. Ban their accounts and clean the game up. It's quite unfair to those of us who play the right way. Especially when we've played this game for 4,5, and 6 years. Make it happen Karam and show some integrity and loyalty to your long standing players that play the game the right way.
They'll just make new mod accounts lol
It takes years to build a big account.

It takes less than a day for modders to get thronebreaker

Dwayne55

The cheaters definitely should be banned and receive no rewards. The alliance however imo should be notified and if it happens for X number of times should be punished with reduced rank rewards but not zero rewards. That will shift some of the responsibilities from Kabam to alliances in combating cheating and modding. A lot of alliances dislike modding and when they’re notified of a cheater will definitely investigate. An alliance member played a modder yesterday, reported to the alliance leader and they removed him. Many times when alliances have a modder, after some time some teammates will suspect unless they don’t play competitive alliance modes. A report from someone else in a different alliance will either confirm the suspicion or will move them to serious investigations.

Yeah I mean thats cool and all but they just play3d the whole season racking up points for that alliance which isn't right to the alliances playing the right way. Of course they will boot em now the season is about to expire and they've already got their points from them lol.

Dwayne55

I think removing all their points from the alliance event would be good. But next season if the same accounts are doing the same stuff there is a big proble.

Dwayne55

With battle grounds coming to an end I'm curious to see if any if the modders are punished. I personally believe they should receive no rank rewards. I also believe their alliances they are in should receive no rank rewards. And for the people that's going to say "but their alliance doesn't know". I can guarantee they do know and probably multiple people in there do it and tell each other how to do it. Ban their accounts and clean the game up. It's quite unfair to those of us who play the right way. Especially when we've played this game for 4,5, and 6 years. Make it happen Karam and show some integrity and loyalty to your long standing players that play the game the right way.
They'll just make new mod accounts lol
It takes years to build a big account.
It takes less than a day for modders to get thronebreaker

I don't consider thronebreaker a big account personally.

Colinwhitworth69

I also believe their alliances they are in should receive no rank rewards. And for the people that's going to say "but their alliance doesn't know". I can guarantee they do know and probably multiple people in there do it and tell each other how to do it.

Well as long as you can guarantee it, then I don't need any proof.

Dwayne55

Yall sound awful reluctant to not want to punish the people cheating but that's just my 2 cents. These people cha ge the game at the top so much its not even funny. A lot of the people doing it have 14 to 15k prestige accounts. You think they're not taking someone else's spot out of the good AQ rewards or AW rewards that's not cheating where once again their alliances who "might" not know about it is also reaping the benefits. This is the last comment I'm going to have on it but if you all believe that I've got ocean side property in Arizona I'll sale you cheap

Hort4

This is the last comment I'm going to have on it but if you all believe that I've got ocean side property in Arizona I'll sale you cheap

How cheap

Ackbar67

Yall sound awful reluctant to not want to punish the people cheating but that's just my 2 cents. These people cha ge the game at the top so much its not even funny. A lot of the people doing it have 14 to 15k prestige accounts. You think they're not taking someone else's spot out of the good AQ rewards or AW rewards that's not cheating where once again their alliances who "might" not know about it is also reaping the benefits. This is the last comment I'm going to have on it but if you all believe that I've got ocean side property in Arizona I'll sale you cheap

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that cheaters should be punished. The big problem with punishing cheaters is determining who they are. Any system for flagging cheaters will falsely flag some legitimate players, and also miss some real cheaters. A good system needs to strike a balance between the two. If you look at the extreme ends of the spectrum its easy to see why compromise is necessary. Imagine if anyone who was reported at least once during the season was docked as a cheater. Pretty much every cheater would be caught, but so would a huge number of other people. Alternatively, they could choose to not punish anyone at all, in which case no one is falsely accused of cheating, but no cheaters are docked. Historically, Kabam has leaned more towards the side of grace, and has only punished players who have overwhelming evidence against them. There are very few people falsely accused of cheating, but there are also some highly suspicious accounts that go unpunished

Marostrange2005

i agree but maybe alliances getting deducted the points granted by modders is a more practical solution

The_2nd_collector

With battle grounds coming to an end I'm curious to see if any if the modders are punished. I personally believe they should receive no rank rewards. I also believe their alliances they are in should receive no rank rewards. And for the people that's going to say "but their alliance doesn't know". I can guarantee they do know and probably multiple people in there do it and tell each other how to do it. Ban their accounts and clean the game up. It's quite unfair to those of us who play the right way. Especially when we've played this game for 4,5, and 6 years. Make it happen Karam and show some integrity and loyalty to your long standing players that play the game the right way.
They'll just make new mod accounts lol
It takes years to build a big account.

It takes 30 minutes to make a good mod account with good rank ups

K00shMaan

Although I have been playing for 7 years and I am Thronebreaker, I am still kind of a noob. What is modder and how do one cheat at battlegrounds? Is sandbagging cheating? Almost 50% of the people I played against were sandbagging. I am asking since I want to make sure I am seen as cheating.

@Sokrates_77 In terms of punishment, sandbagging is not cheating. It shouldn't be a thing but no one is getting docked or banned for it. It is not what OP is referring to.

The thing he's most referring to is running a program on your device that will modify attributes within a fight (i.e. you and your opponents attack and health) so that they can achieve otherwise impossible scores (kill a R4 6* Nick Fury in less than 10 seconds for example. These people should have their accounts banned and their rewards stripped.

The second biggest example is people intentionally utilizing the accept/decline in matchmaking to basically "face themselves". This way they can use a secondary or throwaway account to intentionally lose against their Main account, thus boosting the main account score and rating. This one is a slightly more grey area than the example above but should also have repercussions. Especially if that secondary account was using the above means to actually get to that level.

K00shMaan

i agree but maybe alliances getting deducted the points granted by modders is a more practical solution

This is a big part of it too. As unfortunate as it may be, the Alliances have to get docked. It's really the only way to get accountability from everyone. Whether the alliances knows about it or not, you have to incentivize cheaters being removed from the alliance. You have to continue to compound the repercussions for cheaters and anyone who tolerates it for their own personal gain. Know we shouldn't be banning people cuz someone else in their alliance cheated but it needs to be evident that having a cheater in your alliance is a liability in every way and not an asset in any way.

PureLowe

I reported a modder to his alliance, I told the officer if he want I can send the video and screenshots. He just said he will discuss with his alliance and didn't ask for the evidence. The guy is still there

frodo2377

The biggest issue I think for keeping track of accounts that mod/cheat and haven't been banned is the fact that they can change their name and just disappear. I know of one account who was a confirmed cheater.....I went to go look him up and that account name was no longer around. I know there are a lot of PROS for being able to change your account name with minimal unit/monetary investment, but this has to be the biggest CON.... I know it's not intended but I feel like it's helping cheaters escape detection/being kept track of in the community.

K00shMaan

The biggest issue I think for keeping track of accounts that mod/cheat and haven't been banned is the fact that they can change their name and just disappear. I know of one account who was a confirmed cheater.....I went to go look him up and that account name was no longer around. I know there are a lot of PROS for being able to change your account name with minimal unit/monetary investment, but this has to be the biggest CON.... I know it's not intended but I feel like it's helping cheaters escape detection/being kept track of in the community.

This is why it's important to use the Report User function. I'm all but sure Kabam has some kind of unique identifier for every account that they can refer to that doesn't get changed when a Name Change thing is used.

Sokrates_77

@K00shMaan thanks for your anwer

Ercarret

As someone who is the leader of an alliance that was just docked points in AW due to someone cheating, I figured I can offer some perspective on whether or not I "definitely knew" that someone was cheating.

I did not. None of us did. Not only did we not suspect it to be the case at the time, but we also weren't even notified about the reason for our sudden drop in the rankings by Kabam. We just fell from Gold 3 to Silver 1 with no explanation. I had to ask Kabam Support to get some information about what had happened.

So alliance members don't "definitely know". That's an oversimplification that I think is indicative of not knowing how the system works (and how it doesn't work). If alliances were notified about cheaters in their midst and thus could take reliable action, it would be one thing. As it stands, that's not the case and that makes it really hard to take action.

Furthermore, Kabam's system for catching cheaters is...not flawless. I've personally been banned twice. One ban was fully legit and due to a breach of the TOS (even if I wasn't "cheating" per se). The other ban was fully unwarranted, though, even if I can understand why the system flagged my account. These experiences make me hesitant to kick people if I'm not presented with compelling evidence, which is why it's so annoying that Kabam doesn't reach out with any whatsoever.

All of that said, I am perfectly fine with alliances being docked points if members there are cheating. That is completely fair and justified. However, if alliances are expected to self-regulate or face even harsher penalties, there need to be additional systems to make that regulation possible. As it stands, I feel like our alliance was very much left out to dry by Kabam. We were punished for reasons that were never explained, by someone who was never identified (by Kabam; we eventually found and kicked him ourselves). Under those circumstances, it's very difficult to do the right thing.

frodo2377

The biggest issue I think for keeping track of accounts that mod/cheat and haven't been banned is the fact that they can change their name and just disappear. I know of one account who was a confirmed cheater.....I went to go look him up and that account name was no longer around. I know there are a lot of PROS for being able to change your account name with minimal unit/monetary investment, but this has to be the biggest CON.... I know it's not intended but I feel like it's helping cheaters escape detection/being kept track of in the community.
This is why it's important to use the Report User function. I'm all but sure Kabam has some kind of unique identifier for every account that they can refer to that doesn't get changed when a Name Change thing is used.

I'm sure Kabam has a way to keep track (hopefully), but the community does not....and that's my point. I'm trying to illustrate how cheaters end up in alliances again once they've been outed by changing their account name and disappearing into the void so to speak. Nobody is going to invite Johnny into the ally if he's a suspected/known cheater. He changes his name to Billy and now nobody knows.

Heinz11

Agree with the above from @K00shMaan that it’s important to report obvious modders every time and include screenshots. With regards to an alliance knowing whether their players are modding, I can say from experience that modding BGs are different from AW in some respects, at least at the upper levels. Modding in AW is hard for an alliance to detect because the modder is the only one that sees the hit count, and is probably not taking screenshots of his modded fights and sharing them with the alliance. In BGs, you can easily pull up the stats after a match where you suspect modding.There are some BG Line chats that include members from all of the top alliances where the proof of modding are shared. If a guy from a top alliance is modding, then the alliance knows and is either ignoring or endorsing the cheating.

GroundedWisdom

No matter how you dispute it, they're not going to divulge a list of Players that have been caught cheating.

Team_Sly

I personally got sick and tired of coming up against paragon players that where using 2* in the roster, I grinded endlessly to just end up becoming stuck on diamond 3, hours and hours of game play, I did end up reporting some of these accounts, makes it not enjoyable when these fools keep cheating.

PapaMidnite007

I'm sure ban waves are coming for those modders and they won't get rewards

Terra

I personally got sick and tired of coming up against paragon players that where using 2* in the roster, I grinded endlessly to just end up becoming stuck on diamond 3, hours and hours of game play, I did end up reporting some of these accounts, makes it not enjoyable when these fools keep cheating.

Sandbagging isn't cheating. It's unsportsmanlike, but not cheating