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Why do 3* Relics have better Runes than 4*

AgentDoom9AgentDoom9 Member Posts: 279 ★★
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It seems to me that 3 star relics are more useful because the ability they provide is very broad and useful for many different champs. Now 4* relics have ultra niche rune abilities that aren’t very powerful. For example 4* Relic WS grants a cold snap refresh FOR ONLY THE SKILL CLASS. (2 skill champs have cold snap)

My 3* Hulk provides a tiny boost to physical resistance which is nice, the 4* gives a bit of burst damage on non hit physical attacks! Again super niche and would rather have a general boost that the 3* provides.

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  • MarvelSPMAN14MarvelSPMAN14 Member Posts: 175 ★★
    I noticed that same with the winter soilder relic and was surprised they absolutely suck and didn’t keep what the 3*s had but stronger also I didn’t even know skill champs had coldsnap
  • PapaMidnite007PapaMidnite007 Member Posts: 1,622 ★★★★
    MarvelSPMAN14 said:

    I noticed that same with the winter soilder relic and was surprised they absolutely suck and didn’t keep what the 3*s had but stronger also I didn’t even know skill champs had coldsnap

    Misty knight has coldsnap
  • ChikelChikel Member Posts: 2,121 ★★★★
    PapaMidnite007 said:

    MarvelSPMAN14 said:

    I noticed that same with the winter soilder relic and was surprised they absolutely suck and didn’t keep what the 3*s had but stronger also I didn’t even know skill champs had coldsnap

    Misty knight has coldsnap
    Elsa as well. That relic was practically made for her
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,808 Guardian
    Agreed, the 3* hulkbuster relic is great for Nebula while the 4* is borderline worthless for most techs since hardly any have a great shock as a single debuff.
  • TerraTerra Member Posts: 8,682 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Agreed, the 3* hulkbuster relic is great for Nebula while the 4* is borderline worthless for most techs since hardly any have a great shock as a single debuff.

    Guardian?
  • ChikelChikel Member Posts: 2,121 ★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Chikel said:

    PapaMidnite007 said:

    MarvelSPMAN14 said:

    I noticed that same with the winter soilder relic and was surprised they absolutely suck and didn’t keep what the 3*s had but stronger also I didn’t even know skill champs had coldsnap

    Misty knight has coldsnap
    Elsa as well. That relic was practically made for her
    That's kinda the problem though. They tell use these relics are to help champs be a little better and to make somewhat usual combinations and theory craft, but in reality a relic is only good for 1 maybe a few champs? Math isn't adding up there boss.
    Exactly. They're far too specific and honestly, the numbers are underwhelming
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,561 ★★★★★
    Worknprogress said:

    Chikel said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Chikel said:

    PapaMidnite007 said:

    MarvelSPMAN14 said:

    I noticed that same with the winter soilder relic and was surprised they absolutely suck and didn’t keep what the 3*s had but stronger also I didn’t even know skill champs had coldsnap

    Misty knight has coldsnap
    Elsa as well. That relic was practically made for her
    That's kinda the problem though. They tell use these relics are to help champs be a little better and to make somewhat usual combinations and theory craft, but in reality a relic is only good for 1 maybe a few champs? Math isn't adding up there boss.
    Exactly. They're far too specific and honestly, the numbers are underwhelming
    You realize that's a good thing right? The less impactful they are, especially early on, the less people need to care about them. As of right now they're basically just combo extenders and prestige bandaids so unless you're pushing AQ, they really don't matter which is great for like 99% of players
    Sure that's one way to look at it, but that's not how kabam explained they would work. They made relics seems like they would benefit your entire roster. Not 1 or 2 champs here or there.
  • CapriciousCapricious Member Posts: 264 ★★
    Worknprogress said:

    Chikel said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Chikel said:

    PapaMidnite007 said:

    MarvelSPMAN14 said:

    I noticed that same with the winter soilder relic and was surprised they absolutely suck and didn’t keep what the 3*s had but stronger also I didn’t even know skill champs had coldsnap

    Misty knight has coldsnap
    Elsa as well. That relic was practically made for her
    That's kinda the problem though. They tell use these relics are to help champs be a little better and to make somewhat usual combinations and theory craft, but in reality a relic is only good for 1 maybe a few champs? Math isn't adding up there boss.
    Exactly. They're far too specific and honestly, the numbers are underwhelming
    You realize that's a good thing right? The less impactful they are, especially early on, the less people need to care about them. As of right now they're basically just combo extenders and prestige bandaids so unless you're pushing AQ, they really don't matter which is great for like 99% of players
    It’s not great for anyone to have mediocre content in the game… EVER! What you’re describing is a personal problem. Anecdotally there might be people who for whatever reason aren’t primed for a competitive battlegrounds experience nor do they have the units or real world money to buy relics. That doesn’t make the situation “Good for 99% of players” it just means that the relics are underwhelming and therefore summoners with less developed rosters don’t have to feel bad about themselves yet. Meanwhile battlegrounds is still going on and the whales are already forcing people to equip relics (that are niche and have low benefit) JUST FOR THE PRESTIGE. Highlighting how much damage this is doing to the fan base before relics can even be optimized
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Chikel said:

    PapaMidnite007 said:

    MarvelSPMAN14 said:

    I noticed that same with the winter soilder relic and was surprised they absolutely suck and didn’t keep what the 3*s had but stronger also I didn’t even know skill champs had coldsnap

    Misty knight has coldsnap
    Elsa as well. That relic was practically made for her
    That's kinda the problem though. They tell use these relics are to help champs be a little better and to make somewhat usual combinations and theory craft, but in reality a relic is only good for 1 maybe a few champs? Math isn't adding up there boss.
    That's your pre formed opinion though that Relics have to be designed for Champions. There is also a design space where they can be used to help with specific nodes combinations, particularly with the recurring class based ones like the Event Quest has.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Capricious said:

    Worknprogress said:

    Chikel said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Chikel said:

    PapaMidnite007 said:

    MarvelSPMAN14 said:

    I noticed that same with the winter soilder relic and was surprised they absolutely suck and didn’t keep what the 3*s had but stronger also I didn’t even know skill champs had coldsnap

    Misty knight has coldsnap
    Elsa as well. That relic was practically made for her
    That's kinda the problem though. They tell use these relics are to help champs be a little better and to make somewhat usual combinations and theory craft, but in reality a relic is only good for 1 maybe a few champs? Math isn't adding up there boss.
    Exactly. They're far too specific and honestly, the numbers are underwhelming
    You realize that's a good thing right? The less impactful they are, especially early on, the less people need to care about them. As of right now they're basically just combo extenders and prestige bandaids so unless you're pushing AQ, they really don't matter which is great for like 99% of players
    It’s not great for anyone to have mediocre content in the game… EVER! What you’re describing is a personal problem. Anecdotally there might be people who for whatever reason aren’t primed for a competitive battlegrounds experience nor do they have the units or real world money to buy relics. That doesn’t make the situation “Good for 99% of players” it just means that the relics are underwhelming and therefore summoners with less developed rosters don’t have to feel bad about themselves yet. Meanwhile battlegrounds is still going on and the whales are already forcing people to equip relics (that are niche and have low benefit) JUST FOR THE PRESTIGE. Highlighting how much damage this is doing to the fan base before relics can even be optimized
    I don't understand how in one statement you can say they have low benefit but at the same time are causing such damage. Also what does prestige have to do with battlegrounds?

    I really wonder if people actually stop and think about why they're upset about something or just get upset to get upset.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,808 Guardian
    Terra said:

    Pikolu said:

    Agreed, the 3* hulkbuster relic is great for Nebula while the 4* is borderline worthless for most techs since hardly any have a great shock as a single debuff.

    Guardian?
    Guardian doesn't have a powerful singular shock debuff. He has great shock damage, but no techs have a shock debuff that is powerful as a single shock, they typically require many shocks or their shocks are in a form of burst.
  • TerraTerra Member Posts: 8,682 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Terra said:

    Pikolu said:

    Agreed, the 3* hulkbuster relic is great for Nebula while the 4* is borderline worthless for most techs since hardly any have a great shock as a single debuff.

    Guardian?
    Guardian doesn't have a powerful singular shock debuff. He has great shock damage, but no techs have a shock debuff that is powerful as a single shock, they typically require many shocks or their shocks are in a form of burst.
    You sure?
    His sp2 states it's one single strong one
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,808 Guardian
    Guess sharing the rune would make more sense for people to understand.


    Every 25 seconds, you get a more potent and slightly longer shock which is worse for a lot of tech champions than the 3* one that just flat out increases the potency of all shock debuffs.
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    It's definitely odd that it works this way but it's probably not fair to judge and compare relics at Rank 1 Level 1. The 4* one will have more ranks which allows for more runes and more levels for each rune.
  • ShadowstrikeShadowstrike Member Posts: 3,141 ★★★★★
    It tells you in the top right corner who you're supposed to attach the relics to for best results. Which is why Winter Soldier works best for either misty, Elsa or hit monkey.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,561 ★★★★★
    Shadowstrike said:

    It tells you in the top right corner who you're supposed to attach the relics to for best results. Which is why Winter Soldier works best for either misty, Elsa or hit monkey.

    Yes and again that's kinda the problem with relics. Good for 3 champs. We were led to believe the relics would help all champs. Not just 3.
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