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Cavalier Exploration Objective

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    Dart1981Dart1981 Posts: 224 ★★★

    You're right. It's not worth the effort. It's the communitys' motto.

    Heaven forbid you have to use items to get through content. I don't know why Kabam hasn't taken those away yet since we shouldn't be using those to do content.

    They honestly should make it 1 path for the whole quest. 1 node and no defender. Zero energy and you get exploration rewards and completion rewards. Maybe it'll be worth the effort then. But again, you still have to click the screen s few times and that's probably still too much for some of you.

    Man you love to to argue. Whatever, you keep going with the twisted statements, I never said it wasn’t worth the effort, nor did I say that they should do any of the the things you said above. Just that they nerfed the rewards based on the effort you have to put in to get them.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,386 ★★★★★
    Dart1981 said:

    You're right. It's not worth the effort. It's the communitys' motto.

    Heaven forbid you have to use items to get through content. I don't know why Kabam hasn't taken those away yet since we shouldn't be using those to do content.

    They honestly should make it 1 path for the whole quest. 1 node and no defender. Zero energy and you get exploration rewards and completion rewards. Maybe it'll be worth the effort then. But again, you still have to click the screen s few times and that's probably still too much for some of you.

    Man you love to to argue. Whatever, you keep going with the twisted statements, I never said it wasn’t worth the effort, nor did I say that they should do any of the the things you said above. Just that they nerfed the rewards based on the effort you have to put in to get them.
    They appropriated the Rewards based on the effort because the Difficulties have been better streamlined based on progression.
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    SearmenisSearmenis Posts: 1,551 ★★★★★

    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    The difficulty of Cav has been adjusted as well.
    The advertisement was "you get buffed rewards for less effort". No, you don't.
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    Dart1981Dart1981 Posts: 224 ★★★

    Dart1981 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Dart1981 said:

    Wow, seriously! So there are actually no additional R4 materials as part of the overall EQ rewards set? Even though TB difficulty is likely going to be considerably harder than Cavalier (just based on the progression aimed at, I am yet to go in). This is actually a nerf in rewards based on effort to reward ratio. Never fail to amaze. All you needed to do was keep the cav objective in and no one would have complained

    If you actually look at the rewards you’ll see that we gain more rank 4 mats overall in the thronebreaker rewards.


    I see it, it’s the completion rewards, an additional 10% of each catalyst of which we need 3 so 3.3% of a rank up more per month, for the increased difficulty is not a fair trade off (of course is just my opinion).
    They are also in the chapter exploration rewards!
    That’s fair and I hold my hands up to that as I didn’t see those additional amounts. He much extra is it. I think it’s 15% of a catalyst or 5% of a rank up.
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,526 ★★★★★
    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    They weren't nerfed. They weren't even changed.
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,526 ★★★★★
    Dart1981 said:

    You're right. It's not worth the effort. It's the communitys' motto.

    Heaven forbid you have to use items to get through content. I don't know why Kabam hasn't taken those away yet since we shouldn't be using those to do content.

    They honestly should make it 1 path for the whole quest. 1 node and no defender. Zero energy and you get exploration rewards and completion rewards. Maybe it'll be worth the effort then. But again, you still have to click the screen s few times and that's probably still too much for some of you.

    Man you love to to argue. Whatever, you keep going with the twisted statements, I never said it wasn’t worth the effort, nor did I say that they should do any of the the things you said above. Just that they nerfed the rewards based on the effort you have to put in to get them.
    They nerfed nothing.
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    Badass84Badass84 Posts: 317 ★★★
    Overall it is 31350 T6B per monthly event f.e.
    That's ok, could be more, but ok.
    The problem is the time and energy-cost. You do AQ, AW, BG, Arena, side-event, monthly event, maybe some missing variants or story-paths, Gauntlet, the EoP-finale, some incursions for gold.

    This game seems to be a full time job nowadays. Of course you can only play what you want, that's for sure. But you always have the feeling of falling back if you don't do all.

    Here is my idea for the monthly event:
    If you have completed a difficulty you get a choice afterwards: do the easier difficulties for full rewards and chance of legend run f.e. or get 75% of the rewards of the easier difficulties with one click. Only working for completition and for each easier difficulties of what you completed.

    And no energy for side quest would be great.
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    FrostyFrosty Posts: 485 ★★★

    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    They weren't nerfed. They weren't even changed.
    Sure the rewards weren't directly in the quests description but when the have an objective every month that gets removed it definitely feels like something was taken away.

    You're entitled to your own opinion but you won't change many minds which is my opinion
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,526 ★★★★★
    edited January 2023
    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    They weren't nerfed. They weren't even changed.
    Sure the rewards weren't directly in the quests description but when the have an objective every month that gets removed it definitely feels like something was taken away.

    You're entitled to your own opinion but you won't change many minds which is my opinion
    The Cav objective was for TB and Paragon players as a place holder for this new difficulty to arrive. It was put into completion. There is also additional T6B and T3A added to the difficulty. We now have access to the difficulty those objective rewards in addition to many others.

    Cav players did not have access to that objective, so nothing was taken away. As a TB/Paragon player, you don't have to do the Cav difficulty. You now do the TB and you're getting the exact same rewards plus more for completion.

    I don't understand how it's this hard to see what happened.
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    Dart1981Dart1981 Posts: 224 ★★★


    This is great! Thanks! I said above that I had missed the chapter rewards. They do look much more appropriate now.
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    FrostyFrosty Posts: 485 ★★★

    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    They weren't nerfed. They weren't even changed.
    Sure the rewards weren't directly in the quests description but when the have an objective every month that gets removed it definitely feels like something was taken away.

    You're entitled to your own opinion but you won't change many minds which is my opinion
    The Cav objective was for TB and Paragon players as a place holder for this new difficulty to arrive. It was put into completion. There is also additional T6B and T3A added to the difficulty. We now have access to the difficulty those objective rewards in addition to many others.

    Cav players did not have access to that objective, so nothing was taken away. As a TB/Paragon player, you don't have to do the Cav difficulty. You now do the TB and you're getting the exact same rewards plus more for completion.

    I don't understand how it's this hard to see what happened.
    Doesn't change the fact that Thronebreaker players that can't explore the new difficulty are now getting less rewards than before
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,526 ★★★★★
    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    They weren't nerfed. They weren't even changed.
    Sure the rewards weren't directly in the quests description but when the have an objective every month that gets removed it definitely feels like something was taken away.

    You're entitled to your own opinion but you won't change many minds which is my opinion
    The Cav objective was for TB and Paragon players as a place holder for this new difficulty to arrive. It was put into completion. There is also additional T6B and T3A added to the difficulty. We now have access to the difficulty those objective rewards in addition to many others.

    Cav players did not have access to that objective, so nothing was taken away. As a TB/Paragon player, you don't have to do the Cav difficulty. You now do the TB and you're getting the exact same rewards plus more for completion.

    I don't understand how it's this hard to see what happened.
    Doesn't change the fact that Thronebreaker players that can't explore the new difficulty are now getting less rewards than before
    Jesus. If a TB player can't handle 260k-300k health pools, they probably don't need to be TB. You can literally do TB with R2's. It's not hard, at all.
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,526 ★★★★★
    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    They weren't nerfed. They weren't even changed.
    Sure the rewards weren't directly in the quests description but when the have an objective every month that gets removed it definitely feels like something was taken away.

    You're entitled to your own opinion but you won't change many minds which is my opinion
    The Cav objective was for TB and Paragon players as a place holder for this new difficulty to arrive. It was put into completion. There is also additional T6B and T3A added to the difficulty. We now have access to the difficulty those objective rewards in addition to many others.

    Cav players did not have access to that objective, so nothing was taken away. As a TB/Paragon player, you don't have to do the Cav difficulty. You now do the TB and you're getting the exact same rewards plus more for completion.

    I don't understand how it's this hard to see what happened.
    Doesn't change the fact that Thronebreaker players that can't explore the new difficulty are now getting less rewards than before
    I just did a fight in 1.2 with a 5* Apoc. If a TB player can't explore TB difficulty, they need to re-evaluate their skill.
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    FiiNCHFiiNCH Posts: 1,664 ★★★★★

    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    They weren't nerfed. They weren't even changed.
    Sure the rewards weren't directly in the quests description but when the have an objective every month that gets removed it definitely feels like something was taken away.

    You're entitled to your own opinion but you won't change many minds which is my opinion
    The Cav objective was for TB and Paragon players as a place holder for this new difficulty to arrive. It was put into completion. There is also additional T6B and T3A added to the difficulty. We now have access to the difficulty those objective rewards in addition to many others.

    Cav players did not have access to that objective, so nothing was taken away. As a TB/Paragon player, you don't have to do the Cav difficulty. You now do the TB and you're getting the exact same rewards plus more for completion.

    I don't understand how it's this hard to see what happened.
    Doesn't change the fact that Thronebreaker players that can't explore the new difficulty are now getting less rewards than before
    Jesus. If a TB player can't handle 260k-300k health pools, they probably don't need to be TB. You can literally do TB with R2's. It's not hard, at all.
    No, it’s a complete slap in the face for the community and we demand all quests are updated to remove all nodes immediately.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,386 ★★★★★
    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    They weren't nerfed. They weren't even changed.
    Sure the rewards weren't directly in the quests description but when the have an objective every month that gets removed it definitely feels like something was taken away.

    You're entitled to your own opinion but you won't change many minds which is my opinion
    The Cav objective was for TB and Paragon players as a place holder for this new difficulty to arrive. It was put into completion. There is also additional T6B and T3A added to the difficulty. We now have access to the difficulty those objective rewards in addition to many others.

    Cav players did not have access to that objective, so nothing was taken away. As a TB/Paragon player, you don't have to do the Cav difficulty. You now do the TB and you're getting the exact same rewards plus more for completion.

    I don't understand how it's this hard to see what happened.
    Doesn't change the fact that Thronebreaker players that can't explore the new difficulty are now getting less rewards than before
    Just like any other change, we will grow into it. This has to happen, not only because the game becomes stale, but also because progress hits a plateau. There's no pushing ourselves if things don't change.
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,526 ★★★★★
    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    They weren't nerfed. They weren't even changed.
    Sure the rewards weren't directly in the quests description but when the have an objective every month that gets removed it definitely feels like something was taken away.

    You're entitled to your own opinion but you won't change many minds which is my opinion
    The Cav objective was for TB and Paragon players as a place holder for this new difficulty to arrive. It was put into completion. There is also additional T6B and T3A added to the difficulty. We now have access to the difficulty those objective rewards in addition to many others.

    Cav players did not have access to that objective, so nothing was taken away. As a TB/Paragon player, you don't have to do the Cav difficulty. You now do the TB and you're getting the exact same rewards plus more for completion.

    I don't understand how it's this hard to see what happened.
    Doesn't change the fact that Thronebreaker players that can't explore the new difficulty are now getting less rewards than before
    https://youtu.be/073m6Mp98wg
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    AustinU823AustinU823 Posts: 84 ★★
    Would be nice to consider a paragon objective in the future. It’s hard to imagine there will be a new progression title any time in the near future when paragon still gets lumped in with TB 80% of the time despite being quite a large jump even a year later
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    VestasCureVestasCure Posts: 137 ★★
    Frosty said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    So introduce thronebreaker difficulty by nerfing cav rewards?
    Point everyone complaining about it missing is Kabam specifically said these were never supposed to be cav rewards. They were a placeholder for TB rewards.
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    TyEdgeTyEdge Posts: 3,017 ★★★★★

    318Chubz said:

    Yeah, that's TRASH.. y'all should have just kept Cavalier as the top difficulty if all you're going to do is move the objective to the new difficulty.

    You're basically saying, hey here's a new much harder difficulty, but you get the same rewards that you would have gotten for 100% Cavalier which is easier

    😕

    We're never going to grow if we keep doing the same thing over and over. Eventually we need to push ourselves.
    Irony is dead.
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    TyEdgeTyEdge Posts: 3,017 ★★★★★

    Dart1981 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Dart1981 said:

    Wow, seriously! So there are actually no additional R4 materials as part of the overall EQ rewards set? Even though TB difficulty is likely going to be considerably harder than Cavalier (just based on the progression aimed at, I am yet to go in). This is actually a nerf in rewards based on effort to reward ratio. Never fail to amaze. All you needed to do was keep the cav objective in and no one would have complained

    If you actually look at the rewards you’ll see that we gain more rank 4 mats overall in the thronebreaker rewards.


    I see it, it’s the completion rewards, an additional 10% of each catalyst of which we need 3 so 3.3% of a rank up more per month, for the increased difficulty is not a fair trade off (of course is just my opinion).
    They are also in the chapter exploration rewards!
    Old way: 30% of each catalyst for exploring Cavalier

    New way: 55% of each catalyst total for exploring Cavalier AND a harder difficulty. (10% comp, 5% per chapter x3, 30% exploration)

    Is that math accurate?
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    RyBootheRyBoothe Posts: 35
    Everyone keeps brushing over the fact that Cav difficulty was nerfed. Why should they have kept it when they made it easier to finish? Finish TB Difficulty for much more Rank 4 mats.
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    Devannym584Devannym584 Posts: 3
    Just noticed this, and wow what a bag of 💩. I looked forward to finishing Cav EQ for T6 and T3A but now I have to complete a harder difficulty to get the same rewards.
    This game is going backwards. Not a good move Kabam. How can you justify the same rewards for harder work?
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    Feeney234Feeney234 Posts: 1,197 ★★★★

    It’s in the new difficulty for the monthly quest.


    Soooo a whole entire quest for the same reward? Makes zero sense
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    Feeney234Feeney234 Posts: 1,197 ★★★★
    Kabam Jax said:

    These rewards have been looped into the TB difficulty!

    This should streamline your resource hunting and mean one less step for you all.

    I disagree here. You essentially gave us more work to do with essentially very little payout. Sure, we get some extra goodies for exploring Thronebreaker, but why wouldnt you just leave the Cav exploration bonus as it was? Its like you took one step forward with Thronebreaker difficulty and two steps back with how you guys allocated the rewards.

    To get the same exact Cav bonus we need to explore an entirely extra difficulty of Event Quest (which is supposed to be harder), for pretty much the same payout in R4 resources. Who comes up with this stuff? I mean come on guys 🤣
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