Not surprised that Ironman3000 guy is trying to shame people based on their progress just because they don't agree with him. Last time I saw him doing it was when people complained about sandbagging. He would basically just tell people to GiT GuD and that they didn't deserve any rewards if they couldn't beat someone with half a deck. Just ignore him, he's mad because he can't sandbag anymore lol.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
You've never heard of people taking long breaks from the game? Lmao being casual or competitive has nothing to do with arguing some of the dumb ideas that have been posted on this thread. A perfect example of this is the same eight or nine persons on this thread (who are obviously competitive) begging Kabam to make matchmaking completely random from the get go so they can just destroy small accounts in bronze 3. What's the cost? There's no cost really, smaller accounts will be stuck in Bronze for a week or two and they'll miss half the season but that's fine cause I'm climbing up! 💀
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
I have already pointed out my concerns are not for my own Account. If you call 7 years of my life casual, then that's your perception. I like to take my time with Story, that's about it. My concern is for newer Players at the start of the competition. I believe I've already said I'm fine playing BGs casually for a few extra Shards.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
You've never heard of people taking long breaks from the game? Lmao being casual or competitive has nothing to do with arguing some of the dumb ideas that have been posted on this thread. A perfect example of this is the same eight or nine persons on this thread (who are obviously competitive) begging Kabam to make matchmaking completely random from the get go so they can just destroy small accounts in bronze 3. What's the cost? There's no cost really, smaller accounts will be stuck in Bronze for a week or two and they'll miss half the season but that's fine cause I'm climbing up! 💀
Lol. Naught boy. You like to place words in somebody else mounth.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
I have already pointed out my concerns are not for my own Account. If you call 7 years of my life casual, then that's your perception. I like to take my time with Story, that's about it. My concern is for newer Players at the start of the competition. I believe I've already said I'm fine playing BGs casually for a few extra Shards.
Always the same. Twist other words and not sugesting solution.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
I have already pointed out my concerns are not for my own Account. If you call 7 years of my life casual, then that's your perception. I like to take my time with Story, that's about it. My concern is for newer Players at the start of the competition. I believe I've already said I'm fine playing BGs casually for a few extra Shards.
Always the same. Twist other words and not sugesting solution.
I'm pretty sure I've offered suggestions I agreed with in this Thread. You seem to be shifting points, though.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
I have already pointed out my concerns are not for my own Account. If you call 7 years of my life casual, then that's your perception. I like to take my time with Story, that's about it. My concern is for newer Players at the start of the competition. I believe I've already said I'm fine playing BGs casually for a few extra Shards.
Always the same. Twist other words and not sugesting solution.
I'm pretty sure I've offered suggestions I agreed with in this Thread. You seem to be shifting points, though.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
I have already pointed out my concerns are not for my own Account. If you call 7 years of my life casual, then that's your perception. I like to take my time with Story, that's about it. My concern is for newer Players at the start of the competition. I believe I've already said I'm fine playing BGs casually for a few extra Shards.
Always the same. Twist other words and not sugesting solution.
I'm pretty sure I've offered suggestions I agreed with in this Thread. You seem to be shifting points, though.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
You've never heard of people taking long breaks from the game? Lmao being casual or competitive has nothing to do with arguing some of the dumb ideas that have been posted on this thread. A perfect example of this is the same eight or nine persons on this thread (who are obviously competitive) begging Kabam to make matchmaking completely random from the get go so they can just destroy small accounts in bronze 3. What's the cost? There's no cost really, smaller accounts will be stuck in Bronze for a week or two and they'll miss half the season but that's fine cause I'm climbing up! 💀
Lol. Naught boy. You like to place words in somebody else mounth.
I didn't place any words on nobody's mouth, that's exactly what you said on that other discussion they closed yesterday. That you want to be able to face small accounts in Bronze because We'Re CoMpETiNg FoR SaMe ReWaRdS ReE.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
You've never heard of people taking long breaks from the game? Lmao being casual or competitive has nothing to do with arguing some of the dumb ideas that have been posted on this thread. A perfect example of this is the same eight or nine persons on this thread (who are obviously competitive) begging Kabam to make matchmaking completely random from the get go so they can just destroy small accounts in bronze 3. What's the cost? There's no cost really, smaller accounts will be stuck in Bronze for a week or two and they'll miss half the season but that's fine cause I'm climbing up! 💀
Lol. Naught boy. You like to place words in somebody else mounth.
I didn't place any words on nobody's mouth, that's exactly what you said on that other discussion they closed yesterday. That you want to be able to face small accounts in Bronze because We'Re CoMpETiNg FoR SaMe ReWaRdS ReE.
Also, repeatedly calling me a Cav isn't going to bother me. I'm TB, and I could care less what anyone thinks of that. You're grasping.
You say you could care less what he thinks, but you correct him every single time he calls you Cav, which seems like the opposite thing someone would do if they didn't care.
I care about people being factual. If he wants to scoff at me being TB, he can be my guest.
Looks like you are not taking this game seriously. You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
You've never heard of people taking long breaks from the game? Lmao being casual or competitive has nothing to do with arguing some of the dumb ideas that have been posted on this thread. A perfect example of this is the same eight or nine persons on this thread (who are obviously competitive) begging Kabam to make matchmaking completely random from the get go so they can just destroy small accounts in bronze 3. What's the cost? There's no cost really, smaller accounts will be stuck in Bronze for a week or two and they'll miss half the season but that's fine cause I'm climbing up! 💀
Lol. Naught boy. You like to place words in somebody else mounth.
I didn't place any words on nobody's mouth, that's exactly what you said on that other discussion they closed yesterday. That you want to be able to face small accounts in Bronze because We'Re CoMpETiNg FoR SaMe ReWaRdS ReE.
You've never heard of people taking long breaks from the game? Lmao being casual or competitive has nothing to do with arguing some of the dumb ideas that have been posted on this thread. A perfect example of this is the same eight or nine persons on this thread (who are obviously competitive) begging Kabam to make matchmaking completely random from the get go so they can just destroy small accounts in bronze 3. What's the cost? There's no cost really, smaller accounts will be stuck in Bronze for a week or two and they'll miss half the season but that's fine cause I'm climbing up! 💀
Yep you are right, the same eight or nine persons: Make them 60 that agree matchmaking at Victory Track should be random, in contrast to only 4 that disagree, and couple of them being more noisy in this thread than anyone else. Also for the cost of lower accounts being stuck at Bronze for a week or two, that is what’s happening now for many higher accounts. Good thing is that matchmaking will change eventually. It’s only a matter of time. Many mid skilled Paragons are quitting BGs right now, because it’s a time waste for them. Gradually, over seasons even those highly skilled Paragons that make it to GC now, will find themselves struggling at VT, because they will fight only each other, since the mid skilled that are pray for them now would be out. This is the breaking point where the outrage will begin. Same happened at AW. Main problem, besides matchmaking is the whole structure of VT. The way it is designed, it’s discouraging people. You need a ~60% win ratio to progress in a pace that make your time spent worthy. This win ratio will have only ~40% (maybe less) of the players, meaning that at least 60% of the players won’t be able to progress, because for each win, someone lost. Count in that Victory Shields are very expensive and nearly worthless, since they burn even if you win, instant loss and another bugs that are there, and you have a very hostile environment for players. Battlegrounds were very promising, but they will turn out over the time into a dead mode, if Kabam doesn’t fix the issues they have. They would have been already been dead if the rewards weren’t so good, for those who scoop all VT and reach GC.
@Aleor you mean like how some of the people commenting on this thread diminished the issues lower players had with sandbagging back when it was still a thing. Some of the people on this thread were #1 sandbagging advocates so why should anyone care about their complaints?
1. Even if some people did, that's on them. A lot of people who didn't do that are not having fun on the game mode with current matchmaking, I hope you don't assume they should be responsible for the some other people's word 2. Sandbagging was an optional strategy for every player. Some pargons lost on purpose, some tbs did, some cavs did, just like every other title holders. It could be more noticable at higher titles due to people there being more competitive and most likely less in numbers. But the things is even then people asked here on forums for normal matching system similar to aw. The sandbagging was just a symptom, the illness was a system introduced by kabam, wich leads to 3. With new matching they made tanking useless, but didn't fix the roof problem. I don't know, if it's because they try to monetize those victory shields I've personally never used or something else, and to be fair, I don't even care what their motivation is. Although I'd argue that bgs is the only game mode that promotes ranking a lot of champs and getting them in a first place. All I want to see here is transparent matchmaking system, wich would promote fare competition. And I don't think that anyone would call a system, where player A can easily best player B in 100 matches consequently, ends up being ranked lower.
Fyi, personally I'm currently only doing bgs for milestones and avoid ranking up high pi champs. So I have no reason to opening current featured for doomman or stoneddude and won't be taking my galan, qs, valk or even sauron to r4. If I keep playing the game in a first place. There are only 2 real reasons in game to take champs to r4 imo: to get paragon title and to have better deck for bgs. But currently it means your bg fight will be more difficult, so...
Tl;Dr: blame kabam for making skewed matchmaking, not players who suffer because of it, despite players' personalities
Yes, it was. Your win rate is approximately 50% once you come close enough to your true ranking point. Once they added 'win X fights' milestones, your best strategy is to lose X fights in 1 minute and then with X fights in tX minutes. Otherwise you'd spend tX * 2 minutes instead of tX+1, as you'd have to fight twice more battles basically. And even one battle actually takes a lot of time with drafts, wanting for opponents, waiting for extra timers, waiting for loading screens, waiting for results screens... And until you reach your true ranking initially, you're basically tanked naturally by the system kabam set up.
Yes, it was. Your win rate is approximately 50% once you come close enough to your true ranking point. Once they added 'win X fights' milestones, your best strategy is to lose X fights in 1 minute and then with X fights in tX minutes. Otherwise you'd spend tX * 2 minutes instead of tX+1, as you'd have to fight twice more battles basically. And even one battle actually takes a lot of time with drafts, wanting for opponents, waiting for extra timers, waiting for loading screens, waiting for results screens... And until you reach your true ranking initially, you're basically tanked naturally by the system kabam set up.
Btw, just to be clear — it was super easy to fix. Remove win X fights milestone, leave participation milestone, add solo event similar to the current one, but instead of win/lose points give points for participation and increase its amount by multiplayer of person's leaderboard position + season rank rewards. System like that would actually motivate players to stay as high as possible and tanking would only make you score less, wich could mean you have to spend as much time tanking with right multiplier, or even more.
You've never heard of people taking long breaks from the game? Lmao being casual or competitive has nothing to do with arguing some of the dumb ideas that have been posted on this thread. A perfect example of this is the same eight or nine persons on this thread (who are obviously competitive) begging Kabam to make matchmaking completely random from the get go so they can just destroy small accounts in bronze 3. What's the cost? There's no cost really, smaller accounts will be stuck in Bronze for a week or two and they'll miss half the season but that's fine cause I'm climbing up! 💀
Yep you are right, the same eight or nine persons: Make them 60 that agree matchmaking at Victory Track should be random, in contrast to only 4 that disagree, and couple of them being more noisy in this thread than anyone else. Also for the cost of lower accounts being stuck at Bronze for a week or two, that is what’s happening now for many higher accounts. Good thing is that matchmaking will change eventually. It’s only a matter of time. Many mid skilled Paragons are quitting BGs right now, because it’s a time waste for them. Gradually, over seasons even those highly skilled Paragons that make it to GC now, will find themselves struggling at VT, because they will fight only each other, since the mid skilled that are pray for them now would be out. This is the breaking point where the outrage will begin. Same happened at AW. Main problem, besides matchmaking is the whole structure of VT. The way it is designed, it’s discouraging people. You need a ~60% win ratio to progress in a pace that make your time spent worthy. This win ratio will have only ~40% (maybe less) of the players, meaning that at least 60% of the players won’t be able to progress, because for each win, someone lost. Count in that Victory Shields are very expensive and nearly worthless, since they burn even if you win, instant loss and another bugs that are there, and you have a very hostile environment for players. Battlegrounds were very promising, but they will turn out over the time into a dead mode, if Kabam doesn’t fix the issues they have. They would have been already been dead if the rewards weren’t so good, for those who scoop all VT and reach GC.
Can you go back and read again? Lol my comment literally says "the same 8 or 9 persons begging on this thread" meaning the same 8 or 9 persons (you included) that have been commenting on this thread for the past three days nonstop, I never said nobody agrees with that idea in general. I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who want to have an advantage, only difference is they don't care about this whole situation as much as you and these other 8 persons do hence they're not over here arguing nonstop for three days straight.
I never claimed that isn't happening to bigger accounts, but the fact that you people want to fix this issue by ruining the experience for other people instead of finding solutions that could allow everyone to enjoy bgs regardless of progression and account level is ridiculous.
I'm not claiming there isn't an issue, I know there's an issue and I know what it is. I also know it needs to get fixed, just not by giving a specific group of players an advantage from the get go and making the experience complete **** for the other group cause that is exactly what the issue is right now only with the roles reversed. You don't fix an issue just to create another new issue, that makes absolutely no sense.
@Aleor you mean like how some of the people commenting on this thread diminished the issues lower players had with sandbagging back when it was still a thing. Some of the people on this thread were #1 sandbagging advocates so why should anyone care about their complaints?
1. Even if some people did, that's on them. A lot of people who didn't do that are not having fun on the game mode with current matchmaking, I hope you don't assume they should be responsible for the some other people's word 2. Sandbagging was an optional strategy for every player. Some pargons lost on purpose, some tbs did, some cavs did, just like every other title holders. It could be more noticable at higher titles due to people there being more competitive and most likely less in numbers. But the things is even then people asked here on forums for normal matching system similar to aw. The sandbagging was just a symptom, the illness was a system introduced by kabam, wich leads to 3. With new matching they made tanking useless, but didn't fix the roof problem. I don't know, if it's because they try to monetize those victory shields I've personally never used or something else, and to be fair, I don't even care what their motivation is. Although I'd argue that bgs is the only game mode that promotes ranking a lot of champs and getting them in a first place. All I want to see here is transparent matchmaking system, wich would promote fare competition. And I don't think that anyone would call a system, where player A can easily best player B in 100 matches consequently, ends up being ranked lower.
Fyi, personally I'm currently only doing bgs for milestones and avoid ranking up high pi champs. So I have no reason to opening current featured for doomman or stoneddude and won't be taking my galan, qs, valk or even sauron to r4. If I keep playing the game in a first place. There are only 2 real reasons in game to take champs to r4 imo: to get paragon title and to have better deck for bgs. But currently it means your bg fight will be more difficult, so...
Tl;Dr: blame kabam for making skewed matchmaking, not players who suffer because of it, despite players' personalities
I never said that, I was just pointing out the fact that some of the people on this thread were against Kabam getting rid of sandbagging and now they just want an advantage once again so they can bulldoze lower accounts, that's all.
Oh no I agree, changes need to be made, the thing is if they go with random matchmaking from the get go then you're gonna have a ton of lower players stuck on Bronze for weeks and I don't think that'd be fair either. There has to be some sort of balance, they could make matchmaking random once you reach a certain league, or they could do random matchmaking from the get go but start every player on a specific league based on their title or something like that. My only concern with random matchmaking from the get go is that it might punish lower level players too much that's all.
I've been coming up against Paragon Players in Bronze 2, and I'm TB, so evidently something has changed. I'm completely fine with whatever I Match. I just don't think the experience of people starting out in the competition is trivial. If that's the case, why allow them to compete if they're just going to be pinballed from the start? My view is the same as it was. You need to give people SOME kind of chance and incentive starting out. Otherwise they're going to be over it, fast.
It was not a title based matchmaking but more of a prestige based.
Don't see how. My Prestige wasn't that close. That was my point.
What’s your prestige? And your opponent’s prestige?
Well, I have one R4, and they definitely had a healthy Roster. I don't care personally. My own Matches aren't a concern for me. I've got enough Champs that I'm either going to win or be beaten. Just seemed a little more broad.
I'm kinda bothered by you just not answering what he asked. Just my prestige is X and his prestige was Z. It's kind of off topic but I just noticed how little direct answers you give.
It's around the 12k area, if it's that important. Didn't think it was to illustrate my point.
It's not important. What is important is your inability to answer a question directly. Why type long sentences when sometimes a simple "yes", "no" or "x" when talking numbers suffices.
@Aleor you mean like how some of the people commenting on this thread diminished the issues lower players had with sandbagging back when it was still a thing. Some of the people on this thread were #1 sandbagging advocates so why should anyone care about their complaints?
1. Even if some people did, that's on them. A lot of people who didn't do that are not having fun on the game mode with current matchmaking, I hope you don't assume they should be responsible for the some other people's word 2. Sandbagging was an optional strategy for every player. Some pargons lost on purpose, some tbs did, some cavs did, just like every other title holders. It could be more noticable at higher titles due to people there being more competitive and most likely less in numbers. But the things is even then people asked here on forums for normal matching system similar to aw. The sandbagging was just a symptom, the illness was a system introduced by kabam, wich leads to 3. With new matching they made tanking useless, but didn't fix the roof problem. I don't know, if it's because they try to monetize those victory shields I've personally never used or something else, and to be fair, I don't even care what their motivation is. Although I'd argue that bgs is the only game mode that promotes ranking a lot of champs and getting them in a first place. All I want to see here is transparent matchmaking system, wich would promote fare competition. And I don't think that anyone would call a system, where player A can easily best player B in 100 matches consequently, ends up being ranked lower.
Fyi, personally I'm currently only doing bgs for milestones and avoid ranking up high pi champs. So I have no reason to opening current featured for doomman or stoneddude and won't be taking my galan, qs, valk or even sauron to r4. If I keep playing the game in a first place. There are only 2 real reasons in game to take champs to r4 imo: to get paragon title and to have better deck for bgs. But currently it means your bg fight will be more difficult, so...
Tl;Dr: blame kabam for making skewed matchmaking, not players who suffer because of it, despite players' personalities
I never said that, I was just pointing out the fact that some of the people on this thread were against Kabam getting rid of sandbagging and now they just want an advantage once again so they can bulldoze lower accounts, that's all.
Oh no I agree, changes need to be made, the thing is if they go with random matchmaking from the get go then you're gonna have a ton of lower players stuck on Bronze for weeks and I don't think that'd be fair either. There has to be some sort of balance, they could make matchmaking random once you reach a certain league, or they could do random matchmaking from the get go but start every player on a specific league based on their title or something like that. My only concern with random matchmaking from the get go is that it might punish lower level players too much that's all.
Name any other game where getting a stronger account makes PVP harder and not easier. The whole point of PVP games is to build the strongest roster possible to win as many matches as possible. Kabam in their infinite wisdom decided to make a system where building a stronger roster is a disadvantage. It's really stupid.
All you guys crying about "fair matches" refuse to get that a system where some accounts can NOT face the stronger accounts that others have to fine, for the same rewards in the same game, is NOT fair. The only "fair" matchmaking is a completely random one, which is what we're asking for.
The real bad guy here is Kabam for putting Cavs in the same pool as Paragons. It's just so friggin stupid because it's impossible to have a mode that is "fair" to players that are so far apart. It makes zero sense.
Yes, it was. Your win rate is approximately 50% once you come close enough to your true ranking point. Once they added 'win X fights' milestones, your best strategy is to lose X fights in 1 minute and then with X fights in tX minutes. Otherwise you'd spend tX * 2 minutes instead of tX+1, as you'd have to fight twice more battles basically. And even one battle actually takes a lot of time with drafts, wanting for opponents, waiting for extra timers, waiting for loading screens, waiting for results screens... And until you reach your true ranking initially, you're basically tanked naturally by the system kabam set up.
Sandbagging is shady at best. If you can't have success without manipulating your Roster, you don't deserve it. That's my feelings.
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Just ignore him, he's mad because he can't sandbag anymore lol.
You got over 7 years account old account („celestial being” title) so you should have a good game knowledge but only TB title suggest that you are quite casual so right now I get it how you are arguing about those things. Am I wrong?
A perfect example of this is the same eight or nine persons on this thread (who are obviously competitive) begging Kabam to make matchmaking completely random from the get go so they can just destroy small accounts in bronze 3. What's the cost? There's no cost really, smaller accounts will be stuck in Bronze for a week or two and they'll miss half the season but that's fine cause I'm climbing up! 💀
Make them 60 that agree matchmaking at Victory Track should be random, in contrast to only 4 that disagree, and couple of them being more noisy in this thread than anyone else.
Also for the cost of lower accounts being stuck at Bronze for a week or two, that is what’s happening now for many higher accounts.
Good thing is that matchmaking will change eventually.
It’s only a matter of time.
Many mid skilled Paragons are quitting BGs right now, because it’s a time waste for them.
Gradually, over seasons even those highly skilled Paragons that make it to GC now, will find themselves struggling at VT, because they will fight only each other, since the mid skilled that are pray for them now would be out.
This is the breaking point where the outrage will begin.
Same happened at AW.
Main problem, besides matchmaking is the whole structure of VT.
The way it is designed, it’s discouraging people.
You need a ~60% win ratio to progress in a pace that make your time spent worthy.
This win ratio will have only ~40% (maybe less) of the players, meaning that at least 60% of the players won’t be able to progress, because for each win, someone lost.
Count in that Victory Shields are very expensive and nearly worthless, since they burn even if you win, instant loss and another bugs that are there, and you have a very hostile environment for players.
Battlegrounds were very promising, but they will turn out over the time into a dead mode, if Kabam doesn’t fix the issues they have.
They would have been already been dead if the rewards weren’t so good, for those who scoop all VT and reach GC.
2. Sandbagging was an optional strategy for every player. Some pargons lost on purpose, some tbs did, some cavs did, just like every other title holders. It could be more noticable at higher titles due to people there being more competitive and most likely less in numbers. But the things is even then people asked here on forums for normal matching system similar to aw. The sandbagging was just a symptom, the illness was a system introduced by kabam, wich leads to
3. With new matching they made tanking useless, but didn't fix the roof problem. I don't know, if it's because they try to monetize those victory shields I've personally never used or something else, and to be fair, I don't even care what their motivation is. Although I'd argue that bgs is the only game mode that promotes ranking a lot of champs and getting them in a first place. All I want to see here is transparent matchmaking system, wich would promote fare competition. And I don't think that anyone would call a system, where player A can easily best player B in 100 matches consequently, ends up being ranked lower.
Fyi, personally I'm currently only doing bgs for milestones and avoid ranking up high pi champs. So I have no reason to opening current featured for doomman or stoneddude and won't be taking my galan, qs, valk or even sauron to r4. If I keep playing the game in a first place. There are only 2 real reasons in game to take champs to r4 imo: to get paragon title and to have better deck for bgs. But currently it means your bg fight will be more difficult, so...
Tl;Dr: blame kabam for making skewed matchmaking, not players who suffer because of it, despite players' personalities
Can't have two game modes that contradict each other though.
In AQ, Kabam rewards prestige. In BG, they punish it. If enough high prestige players do the same, Kabam will adjust course.
Here's to hoping a BG mutiny begins.
Remove win X fights milestone, leave participation milestone, add solo event similar to the current one, but instead of win/lose points give points for participation and increase its amount by multiplayer of person's leaderboard position + season rank rewards. System like that would actually motivate players to stay as high as possible and tanking would only make you score less, wich could mean you have to spend as much time tanking with right multiplier, or even more.
I never claimed that isn't happening to bigger accounts, but the fact that you people want to fix this issue by ruining the experience for other people instead of finding solutions that could allow everyone to enjoy bgs regardless of progression and account level is ridiculous.
I'm not claiming there isn't an issue, I know there's an issue and I know what it is. I also know it needs to get fixed, just not by giving a specific group of players an advantage from the get go and making the experience complete **** for the other group cause that is exactly what the issue is right now only with the roles reversed. You don't fix an issue just to create another new issue, that makes absolutely no sense.
Oh no I agree, changes need to be made, the thing is if they go with random matchmaking from the get go then you're gonna have a ton of lower players stuck on Bronze for weeks and I don't think that'd be fair either. There has to be some sort of balance, they could make matchmaking random once you reach a certain league, or they could do random matchmaking from the get go but start every player on a specific league based on their title or something like that. My only concern with random matchmaking from the get go is that it might punish lower level players too much that's all.
All you guys crying about "fair matches" refuse to get that a system where some accounts can NOT face the stronger accounts that others have to fine, for the same rewards in the same game, is NOT fair. The only "fair" matchmaking is a completely random one, which is what we're asking for.
The real bad guy here is Kabam for putting Cavs in the same pool as Paragons. It's just so friggin stupid because it's impossible to have a mode that is "fair" to players that are so far apart. It makes zero sense.