Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
That doesn't really make that much of a difference. There's thousands of accounts with full 6* rosters who are still stuck in silver while you're already in plat 2 on week one. You don't see the problem there? You should be stuck in silver right now with the rest of those accounts until they climb up first (because they're stronger than you), not ahead of them and literally just a few leagues away from GC. Reason you were getting fair matches last season is because Kabam fixed the sandbagging issue without looking at the bigger picture, that's all.
A lot of people think an account stronger than yours is an automatic win there's still strategy, defensive and offensive options, and RNG in everything it took a **** ton of losses to get to plat 2 but it also took a **** ton of wins purely because of better strategy and I'm still winning and losing repeatedly but a thronebreaker account I have not seen since bronze 1
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
That doesn't really make that much of a difference. There's thousands of accounts with full 6* rosters who are still stuck in silver while you're already in plat 2 on week one. You don't see the problem there? You should be stuck in silver right now with the rest of those accounts until they climb up first (because they're stronger than you), not ahead of them and literally just a few leagues away from GC. Reason you were getting fair matches last season is because Kabam fixed the sandbagging issue without looking at the bigger picture, that's all.
A lot of people think an account stronger than yours is an automatic win there's still strategy, defensive and offensive options, and RNG in everything it took a **** ton of losses to get to plat 2 but it also took a **** ton of wins purely because of better strategy and I'm still winning and losing repeatedly but a thronebreaker account I have not seen since bronze 1
That's not it the issue here is that you're not even facing those accounts in the first place when you should be especially since you're already in plat 2 on week one of battlegrounds. We're all competing for same rewards so we should all face each other regardless of account strength.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
Meanwhile there are accounts who have all r4 or at least nothing less than r3 6 stars in their battle deck who are stuck in bronze - gold.
This is because of this extremely unfair prestige based matchmaking process that has allowed far weaker rosters (that many 5 stars in battle deck is a fairly weak roster in today's game meta) to avoid stronger rosters for easier path to better rewards than far stronger rosters.
Please tell me why you think you should be able to fight only similar rosters without fighting those stronger than you when you are competing for the EXACT same rewards as them?
You know this matchmaking system has allowed a far weaker roster like your to get better rewards than far stronger rosters that would wipe the floor with you all because you haven't had to face them? Please tell me how that is fair to those who have taken the time (or spent the money) to progress their rosters?
What better rewards are u referring to? I've still seen the same rewards as all the other seasons so not sure what's better
And again if I, with 5*'s in my deck because I don't have loads of great 6*'s, climbed up to plat 2 that should show that I have had better defensive and offensive choices in the matches that I've played against other paragon players. Now it's at a point where even that doesn't matter because their stacked account severely out weights my smart decisions in battle. Even for paragon players to not make it out of bronze if freaking crazy how do u not see the matchmaking is busted this season even with that realization?
If your getting far in victory track or to GC based on far easier matchups than a paragon player who only faces end game accounts starting in bronze and can't get past gold (which happened to tons of paragons last season) then you are getting far better rewards than them as you made it much further because you had a far easier route to progress.
Further progress in victory track or advancing to GC is obviously far better rewards than someone who didn't get past gold because they had to face 16.5k+ prestige rosters every single fight starting in bronze 3.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
Meanwhile there are accounts who have all r4 or at least nothing less than r3 6 stars in their battle deck who are stuck in bronze - gold.
This is because of this extremely unfair prestige based matchmaking process that has allowed far weaker rosters (that many 5 stars in battle deck is a fairly weak roster in today's game meta) to avoid stronger rosters for easier path to better rewards than far stronger rosters.
Please tell me why you think you should be able to fight only similar rosters without fighting those stronger than you when you are competing for the EXACT same rewards as them?
You know this matchmaking system has allowed a far weaker roster like your to get better rewards than far stronger rosters that would wipe the floor with you all because you haven't had to face them? Please tell me how that is fair to those who have taken the time (or spent the money) to progress their rosters?
What better rewards are u referring to? I've still seen the same rewards as all the other seasons so not sure what's better
And again if I, with 5*'s in my deck because I don't have loads of great 6*'s, climbed up to plat 2 that should show that I have had better defensive and offensive choices in the matches that I've played against other paragon players. Now it's at a point where even that doesn't matter because their stacked account severely out weights my smart decisions in battle. Even for paragon players to not make it out of bronze if freaking crazy how do u not see the matchmaking is busted this season even with that realization?
If your getting far in victory track or to GC based on far easier matchups than a paragon player who only faces end game accounts starting in bronze and can't get past gold (which happened to tons of paragons last season) then you are getting far better rewards than them as you made it much further because you had a far easier route to progress.
Further progress in victory track or advancing to GC is obviously far better rewards than someone who didn't get past gold because they had to face 16.5k+ prestige rosters every single fight starting in bronze 3.
Again even more of a reason why the matchmaking is busted. It's not just my experiences that shows how it's busted but other paragons not making it out of bronze/silver
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
That doesn't really make that much of a difference. There's thousands of accounts with full 6* rosters who are still stuck in silver while you're already in plat 2 on week one. You don't see the problem there? You should be stuck in silver right now with the rest of those accounts until they climb up first (because they're stronger than you), not ahead of them and literally just a few leagues away from GC. Reason you were getting fair matches last season is because Kabam fixed the sandbagging issue without looking at the bigger picture, that's all.
A lot of people think an account stronger than yours is an automatic win there's still strategy, defensive and offensive options, and RNG in everything it took a **** ton of losses to get to plat 2 but it also took a **** ton of wins purely because of better strategy and I'm still winning and losing repeatedly but a thronebreaker account I have not seen since bronze 1
That's not it the issue here is that you're not even facing those accounts in the first place when you should be especially since you're already in plat 2 on week one of battlegrounds. We're all competing for same rewards so we should all face each other regardless of account strength.
He is at Platinum 2. Check these guys that are Mysterium 2 GC at the moment:
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
Meanwhile there are accounts who have all r4 or at least nothing less than r3 6 stars in their battle deck who are stuck in bronze - gold.
This is because of this extremely unfair prestige based matchmaking process that has allowed far weaker rosters (that many 5 stars in battle deck is a fairly weak roster in today's game meta) to avoid stronger rosters for easier path to better rewards than far stronger rosters.
Please tell me why you think you should be able to fight only similar rosters without fighting those stronger than you when you are competing for the EXACT same rewards as them?
You know this matchmaking system has allowed a far weaker roster like your to get better rewards than far stronger rosters that would wipe the floor with you all because you haven't had to face them? Please tell me how that is fair to those who have taken the time (or spent the money) to progress their rosters?
What better rewards are u referring to? I've still seen the same rewards as all the other seasons so not sure what's better
And again if I, with 5*'s in my deck because I don't have loads of great 6*'s, climbed up to plat 2 that should show that I have had better defensive and offensive choices in the matches that I've played against other paragon players. Now it's at a point where even that doesn't matter because their stacked account severely out weights my smart decisions in battle. Even for paragon players to not make it out of bronze if freaking crazy how do u not see the matchmaking is busted this season even with that realization?
If your getting far in victory track or to GC based on far easier matchups than a paragon player who only faces end game accounts starting in bronze and can't get past gold (which happened to tons of paragons last season) then you are getting far better rewards than them as you made it much further because you had a far easier route to progress.
Further progress in victory track or advancing to GC is obviously far better rewards than someone who didn't get past gold because they had to face 16.5k+ prestige rosters every single fight starting in bronze 3.
Again even more of a reason why the matchmaking is busted. It's not just my experiences that shows how it's busted but other paragons not making it out of bronze/silver
I 100% percent believe it's busted and have been saying this very consistently since season 1.
However, the reason why I believe it's busted is because of the "brackets" within the tiers that allow weaker rosters to only fight weaker rosters and completely avoid stronger rosters.
Ive said it before (countless times at this point) but since we are all fighting for the same rewards then there should be absolutely nothing else taken into consideration in matchmaking other than. What tier (gold 1, plat 2, etc) you are in.
Prestige, pi, roster, etc should have NO impact on matchmaking while we are competing for the same rank rewards.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
That doesn't really make that much of a difference. There's thousands of accounts with full 6* rosters who are still stuck in silver while you're already in plat 2 on week one. You don't see the problem there? You should be stuck in silver right now with the rest of those accounts until they climb up first (because they're stronger than you), not ahead of them and literally just a few leagues away from GC. Reason you were getting fair matches last season is because Kabam fixed the sandbagging issue without looking at the bigger picture, that's all.
A lot of people think an account stronger than yours is an automatic win there's still strategy, defensive and offensive options, and RNG in everything it took a **** ton of losses to get to plat 2 but it also took a **** ton of wins purely because of better strategy and I'm still winning and losing repeatedly but a thronebreaker account I have not seen since bronze 1
That's not it the issue here is that you're not even facing those accounts in the first place when you should be especially since you're already in plat 2 on week one of battlegrounds. We're all competing for same rewards so we should all face each other regardless of account strength.
He is at Platinum 2. Check these guys that are Mysterium 2 GC at the moment:
That's an extreme example, and we don't know how they're getting there. Not implying anything, but anything is possible. The OP isn't that low, and it's not unreasonable to be in Plat with a couple R4s.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
That doesn't really make that much of a difference. There's thousands of accounts with full 6* rosters who are still stuck in silver while you're already in plat 2 on week one. You don't see the problem there? You should be stuck in silver right now with the rest of those accounts until they climb up first (because they're stronger than you), not ahead of them and literally just a few leagues away from GC. Reason you were getting fair matches last season is because Kabam fixed the sandbagging issue without looking at the bigger picture, that's all.
A lot of people think an account stronger than yours is an automatic win there's still strategy, defensive and offensive options, and RNG in everything it took a **** ton of losses to get to plat 2 but it also took a **** ton of wins purely because of better strategy and I'm still winning and losing repeatedly but a thronebreaker account I have not seen since bronze 1
That's not it the issue here is that you're not even facing those accounts in the first place when you should be especially since you're already in plat 2 on week one of battlegrounds. We're all competing for same rewards so we should all face each other regardless of account strength.
He is at Platinum 2. Check these guys that are Mysterium 2 GC at the moment:
That's an extreme example, and we don't know how they're getting there. Not implying anything, but anything is possible. The OP isn't that low, and it's not unreasonable to be in Plat with a couple R4s.
I know what you mean, and yes at least one of the them is 100% a modded account since it has the “Abyss starred back” title. You can’t do Abyss with such low account, unless you pay decades of thousands of dollars buying Odins, and it’s very unlikely he did. These are only five from what you call “extreme” cases, but there are more there. Check Mysterium 2 standings and see for yourself 😉 There are modders but there are legit very low accounts also already in GC. And it’s only day 8 of season. Next days GC will be flooded with low accounts such as these. Meanwhile 4mil accounts struggle at Silver or even Bronze brackets. Prestige matchmaking was never a good idea.
To be honest, I understand what you're saying, but there is also another side to it. BG skill is about BG skill. I can't look at that as an absolute and say the largest Accounts MUST advance faster because there has to be an element of winning their Matches. Same for lower Accounts. If someone is say, at the OP's progression, and they perform better in BGs then they deserve to advance. I have to say it has to work both ways. You can't argue that "fair" Matches are unfair, and expect progress to be accelerated purely based on size in the same breath. I've been pretty vocal about the need for something to average out at the beginning, but I also believe in the ability of someone to fight their way up. I don't automatically consider it the result of Matches just because a lower Account has advanced and people with higher Accounts aren't. You have to fight smart. You have to bring the right counters. Sometimes you have to invest in some Shields. You have to think on your feet depending on Bans and counters. So I'm not denying either side's arguments. I just think there's an element of people not beating their own Matches as well.
To be honest, I understand what you're saying, but there is also another side to it. BG skill is about BG skill. I can't look at that as an absolute and say the largest Accounts MUST advance faster because there has to be an element of winning their Matches. Same for lower Accounts. If someone is say, at the OP's progression, and they perform better in BGs then they deserve to advance. I have to say it has to work both ways. You can't argue that "fair" Matches are unfair, and expect progress to be accelerated purely based on size in the same breath. I've been pretty vocal about the need for something to average out at the beginning, but I also believe in the ability of someone to fight their way up. I don't automatically consider it the result of Matches just because a lower Account has advanced and people with higher Accounts aren't. You have to fight smart. You have to bring the right counters. Sometimes you have to invest in some Shields. You have to think on your feet depending on Bans and counters. So I'm not denying either side's arguments. I just think there's an element of people not beating their own Matches as well.
I'll focus on your last sentence about people beating their own matches. What you still seem to have trouble digesting is that there is an enormous difference between "own matches" at lower rosters such as a UC or Cav at 7-9k prestige compared to "own matches" of a low to medium paragon player who will have to face accounts stacked with 20+ r4 6 stars and newest elite defenders.
At the lower levels, a slightly above decent player can easily advance to GC in not much time. In the medium paragon area where you have to fight the best players and rosters in the game for every single fight starting in bronze 3, even a well above average player will struggle to pull off multiple wins ina row, making it ridiculously painful to even get out of early BG tiers.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
Meanwhile there are accounts who have all r4 or at least nothing less than r3 6 stars in their battle deck who are stuck in bronze - gold.
This is because of this extremely unfair prestige based matchmaking process that has allowed far weaker rosters (that many 5 stars in battle deck is a fairly weak roster in today's game meta) to avoid stronger rosters for easier path to better rewards than far stronger rosters.
Please tell me why you think you should be able to fight only similar rosters without fighting those stronger than you when you are competing for the EXACT same rewards as them?
You know this matchmaking system has allowed a far weaker roster like your to get better rewards than far stronger rosters that would wipe the floor with you all because you haven't had to face them? Please tell me how that is fair to those who have taken the time (or spent the money) to progress their rosters?
What better rewards are u referring to? I've still seen the same rewards as all the other seasons so not sure what's better
And again if I, with 5*'s in my deck because I don't have loads of great 6*'s, climbed up to plat 2 that should show that I have had better defensive and offensive choices in the matches that I've played against other paragon players. Now it's at a point where even that doesn't matter because their stacked account severely out weights my smart decisions in battle. Even for paragon players to not make it out of bronze if freaking crazy how do u not see the matchmaking is busted this season even with that realization?
To be honest, I understand what you're saying, but there is also another side to it. BG skill is about BG skill. I can't look at that as an absolute and say the largest Accounts MUST advance faster because there has to be an element of winning their Matches. Same for lower Accounts. If someone is say, at the OP's progression, and they perform better in BGs then they deserve to advance. I have to say it has to work both ways. You can't argue that "fair" Matches are unfair, and expect progress to be accelerated purely based on size in the same breath. I've been pretty vocal about the need for something to average out at the beginning, but I also believe in the ability of someone to fight their way up. I don't automatically consider it the result of Matches just because a lower Account has advanced and people with higher Accounts aren't. You have to fight smart. You have to bring the right counters. Sometimes you have to invest in some Shields. You have to think on your feet depending on Bans and counters. So I'm not denying either side's arguments. I just think there's an element of people not beating their own Matches as well.
I'll focus on your last sentence about people beating their own matches. What you still seem to have trouble digesting is that there is an enormous difference between "own matches" at lower rosters such as a UC or Cav at 7-9k prestige compared to "own matches" of a low to medium paragon player who will have to face accounts stacked with 20+ r4 6 stars and newest elite defenders.
At the lower levels, a slightly above decent player can easily advance to GC in not much time. In the medium paragon area where you have to fight the best players and rosters in the game for every single fight starting in bronze 3, even a well above average player will struggle to pull off multiple wins ina row, making it ridiculously painful to even get out of early BG tiers.
The difference is, at the Paragon level (the highest representative marker for progress), you should be able to overcome that. You can't rely on OP Champs and selective Ranking forever.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
Meanwhile there are accounts who have all r4 or at least nothing less than r3 6 stars in their battle deck who are stuck in bronze - gold.
This is because of this extremely unfair prestige based matchmaking process that has allowed far weaker rosters (that many 5 stars in battle deck is a fairly weak roster in today's game meta) to avoid stronger rosters for easier path to better rewards than far stronger rosters.
Please tell me why you think you should be able to fight only similar rosters without fighting those stronger than you when you are competing for the EXACT same rewards as them?
You know this matchmaking system has allowed a far weaker roster like your to get better rewards than far stronger rosters that would wipe the floor with you all because you haven't had to face them? Please tell me how that is fair to those who have taken the time (or spent the money) to progress their rosters?
What better rewards are u referring to? I've still seen the same rewards as all the other seasons so not sure what's better
And again if I, with 5*'s in my deck because I don't have loads of great 6*'s, climbed up to plat 2 that should show that I have had better defensive and offensive choices in the matches that I've played against other paragon players. Now it's at a point where even that doesn't matter because their stacked account severely out weights my smart decisions in battle. Even for paragon players to not make it out of bronze if freaking crazy how do u not see the matchmaking is busted this season even with that realization?
If your getting far in victory track or to GC based on far easier matchups than a paragon player who only faces end game accounts starting in bronze and can't get past gold (which happened to tons of paragons last season) then you are getting far better rewards than them as you made it much further because you had a far easier route to progress.
Further progress in victory track or advancing to GC is obviously far better rewards than someone who didn't get past gold because they had to face 16.5k+ prestige rosters every single fight starting in bronze 3.
Again even more of a reason why the matchmaking is busted. It's not just my experiences that shows how it's busted but other paragons not making it out of bronze/silver
I 100% percent believe it's busted and have been saying this very consistently since season 1.
However, the reason why I believe it's busted is because of the "brackets" within the tiers that allow weaker rosters to only fight weaker rosters and completely avoid stronger rosters.
Ive said it before (countless times at this point) but since we are all fighting for the same rewards then there should be absolutely nothing else taken into consideration in matchmaking other than. What tier (gold 1, plat 2, etc) you are in.
Prestige, pi, roster, etc should have NO impact on matchmaking while we are competing for the same rank rewards.
No for nothing but I just chilled at my boys house and picked up his phone and got him from silver 3 to silver 1. Out of 7 matches 2-3 felt like lower accounts and my boys account is worse than mine he has r4 5* and no r4 6* with the rest of those fights were against stacked paragon players and I didn't lose a match (but came really close a few times like seconds apart)
But those r4 5* was havok which people weren't banning cause he was low pi yet was carrying most of my wins. Again the matchmaking is busted but it is also about strategy, skill and rng
(Not at all bragging or saying I'm the best player clearly I'm not honestly trying to show a point, humbly)
To be honest, I understand what you're saying, but there is also another side to it. BG skill is about BG skill. I can't look at that as an absolute and say the largest Accounts MUST advance faster because there has to be an element of winning their Matches. Same for lower Accounts. If someone is say, at the OP's progression, and they perform better in BGs then they deserve to advance. I have to say it has to work both ways. You can't argue that "fair" Matches are unfair, and expect progress to be accelerated purely based on size in the same breath. I've been pretty vocal about the need for something to average out at the beginning, but I also believe in the ability of someone to fight their way up. I don't automatically consider it the result of Matches just because a lower Account has advanced and people with higher Accounts aren't. You have to fight smart. You have to bring the right counters. Sometimes you have to invest in some Shields. You have to think on your feet depending on Bans and counters. So I'm not denying either side's arguments. I just think there's an element of people not beating their own Matches as well.
I'll focus on your last sentence about people beating their own matches. What you still seem to have trouble digesting is that there is an enormous difference between "own matches" at lower rosters such as a UC or Cav at 7-9k prestige compared to "own matches" of a low to medium paragon player who will have to face accounts stacked with 20+ r4 6 stars and newest elite defenders.
At the lower levels, a slightly above decent player can easily advance to GC in not much time. In the medium paragon area where you have to fight the best players and rosters in the game for every single fight starting in bronze 3, even a well above average player will struggle to pull off multiple wins ina row, making it ridiculously painful to even get out of early BG tiers.
The difference is, at the Paragon level (the highest representative marker for progress), you should be able to overcome that. You can't rely on OP Champs and selective Ranking forever.
Please don’t take this the wrong way—I’m curious whether you are talking from experience or theoretically. Previously, you noted you play the mode casually—which is fine. But the comment you made above seems flippant and uninformed (much like the comment earlier in this thread about Paragons still in Bronze needing to improve their skills).
I think it’s difficult for you to grasp the competition players at the top end face from day 1, just like it’s probably difficult for top end players to grasp the issues players at the UC level face.
I don’t purport to be an authority on BGs—but I can say personally and via perhaps a couple dozen anecdotes of similarly situated players that it can be frustrating (especially given the relatively even attributes of this season’s VT meta) to be unable to gain traction and make progress.
I don’t think you can treat “the Paragon level” as if it is monolithic—it isn’t. The difference between a deck with 3, 6, 12, 24 or 30 R4 champs can be highly significant. With a meta that doesn’t favor a handful of champs, a mostly R4 deck is at a pronounced advantage over one that is 1/3 or even 1/2 R4. The razor thin nature of a lot of my matches bears that out—dodgy pRNG, a dropped input, bad connection, a parry that becomes a blocked hit—can be enough to turn a win into a loss against higher rank defenders.
That isn’t a matter of OP champs or selective rankups. The decks of many of my opponents aren’t selectively ranked because they are nearly all ranked. And while further ranking my own champs might only serve to boost my prestige further (and guarantees more stacked deck matches), I don’t think you could honestly call a roster with 60 R3 and above champs too “selectively ranked” to navigate Bronze, Silver and Gold.
None of this is meant as a complaint—I hit a few rough patches last season and played about a week in GC like the previous season. I expect to do the same again. But I sincerely doubt any of the lower accounts face anything remotely like what‘s being described by others in this thread. No matter how skilled they may be, a deck with 5*’s isn’t going to cut it against most if not any of the competition they face.
As @DNA3000 noted above, what’s needed to progress at UC or Cav or even TB level against similar accounts—a single OP champ, a new R3, a lucky dupe—is far less than what’s needed to progress against loaded accounts at the top end. And it really isn’t even close.
To be honest, I understand what you're saying, but there is also another side to it. BG skill is about BG skill. I can't look at that as an absolute and say the largest Accounts MUST advance faster because there has to be an element of winning their Matches. Same for lower Accounts. If someone is say, at the OP's progression, and they perform better in BGs then they deserve to advance. I have to say it has to work both ways. You can't argue that "fair" Matches are unfair, and expect progress to be accelerated purely based on size in the same breath. I've been pretty vocal about the need for something to average out at the beginning, but I also believe in the ability of someone to fight their way up. I don't automatically consider it the result of Matches just because a lower Account has advanced and people with higher Accounts aren't. You have to fight smart. You have to bring the right counters. Sometimes you have to invest in some Shields. You have to think on your feet depending on Bans and counters. So I'm not denying either side's arguments. I just think there's an element of people not beating their own Matches as well.
I'll focus on your last sentence about people beating their own matches. What you still seem to have trouble digesting is that there is an enormous difference between "own matches" at lower rosters such as a UC or Cav at 7-9k prestige compared to "own matches" of a low to medium paragon player who will have to face accounts stacked with 20+ r4 6 stars and newest elite defenders.
At the lower levels, a slightly above decent player can easily advance to GC in not much time. In the medium paragon area where you have to fight the best players and rosters in the game for every single fight starting in bronze 3, even a well above average player will struggle to pull off multiple wins ina row, making it ridiculously painful to even get out of early BG tiers.
The difference is, at the Paragon level (the highest representative marker for progress), you should be able to overcome that. You can't rely on OP Champs and selective Ranking forever.
Please don’t take this the wrong way—I’m curious whether you are talking from experience or theoretically. Previously, you noted you play the mode casually—which is fine. But the comment you made above seems flippant and uninformed (much like the comment earlier in this thread about Paragons still in Bronze needing to improve their skills).
I think it’s difficult for you to grasp the competition players at the top end face from day 1, just like it’s probably difficult for top end players to grasp the issues players at the UC level face.
I don’t purport to be an authority on BGs—but I can say personally and via perhaps a couple dozen anecdotes of similarly situated players that it can be frustrating (especially given the relatively even attributes of this season’s VT meta) to be unable to gain traction and make progress.
I don’t think you can treat “the Paragon level” as if it is monolithic—it isn’t. The difference between a deck with 3, 6, 12, 24 or 30 R4 champs can be highly significant. With a meta that doesn’t favor a handful of champs, a mostly R4 deck is at a pronounced advantage over one that is 1/3 or even 1/2 R4. The razor thin nature of a lot of my matches bears that out—dodgy pRNG, a dropped input, bad connection, a parry that becomes a blocked hit—can be enough to turn a win into a loss against higher rank defenders.
That isn’t a matter of OP champs or selective rankups. The decks of many of my opponents aren’t selectively ranked because they are nearly all ranked. And while further ranking my own champs might only serve to boost my prestige further (and guarantees more stacked deck matches), I don’t think you could honestly call a roster with 60 R3 and above champs too “selectively ranked” to navigate Bronze, Silver and Gold.
None of this is meant as a complaint—I hit a few rough patches last season and played about a week in GC like the previous season. I expect to do the same again. But I sincerely doubt any of the lower accounts face anything remotely like what‘s being described by others in this thread. No matter how skilled they may be, a deck with 5*’s isn’t going to cut it against most if not any of the competition they face.
As @DNA3000 noted above, what’s needed to progress at UC or Cav or even TB level against similar accounts—a single OP champ, a new R3, a lucky dupe—is far less than what’s needed to progress against loaded accounts at the top end. And it really isn’t even close.
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There's a reason I implied that people can't rely on a few OP Champs. Which means early Paragon Players are going to have a harder time than later ones. That's no different at that level than any other level. Which means as they Rank more options, they're going to have an easier time. That occurs over Seasons, not immediately. The problem is, we have a number of Accounts that have focused on getting the highest Title as quickly as possible, and their options to compete with the higher Ranks haven't filled out yet. BGs isn't just about who has the highest Title. Which is why I've acknowledged the issue presented, buy still need to point out the existing shortcomings. Someone having a Title doesn't make one more capable or skilled at BGs automatically. The irony is, because of the Rewards involved, people are quick to justify said larger Accounts (which vastly differ from Paragon vs. developed Paragon) coming up against much smaller Accounts. I find that logic to be somewhat askew. The main point is, I'm less sympathetic towards a Paragon coming up against a Paragon, versus people wanting to take out the lower ones. At that level, you have more Resources and access to the ability to win, lose, and improve on your ability. Anyone that says the same applies equally to the people on the lower end isn't comparing with a level mind. To put it bluntly, people still have to be willing to look at their own skills, or lack thereof. Not just point out the lack of skills in others.
I'm quite positive you made that assumption before you even commented. Apparently I'm incapable of understanding anything because I've never played at the Paragon level. You grossly underestimate my capability of understanding a finite game. Which is fine. You're entitled to your own opinion. It just means the conversation wasn't going anywhere to begin with.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
I have several five stars and I’ve made glads every single season. I’m diamond 1 rn boutta be glads and still have Nick AA Peni Parker dragon man and HM has five stars. So he definitely “deserves it” more than anyone else. I’ve been facing 3mil+ accounts back to back to back with 20+ r4s and even some accs with an r5! I’m still crushing them!
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
That's not entirely true. We are not competing for the same rewards as with your progress prices get lower in the store. In victory track shouldn't matter what stars you have on your team, you should be facing the same or close strength opponents. You with all 6* ignoring more than 50% of the competition, it's a different story that it means you are facing the higher strength bit of it. In GC yes, everyone against everyone so weaker champs won't stand a chance but in VT you should be able to progress. And I don't understand the logic behind that, how is it easier to face 5* vs 5* than 6* vs 6*?
WRONG.
Everyone is in the same pool and earns the same rewards. Prices in the store have NOTHING to do with this. Enjoy your "hard earned' rewards that you "totally" deserved to get.
I'm paragon and stuck in silver2 so.... Just because I agree with that the less stacked accounts should be able to enjoy the game mode too doesn't mean I'm not facing the same misery as you. I didn't get a single opponent who had the same strength or weaker. In VT they take absolutely nothing from you. If they would have any advantages in GC I would agree, but saying they don't deserve it is just jealousy and frustration. I understand it, the game is more frustrating than entertaining at the moment. Also, if you think it's easier to advance with 5 and 4 stars, use those.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
I have several five stars and I’ve made glads every single season. I’m diamond 1 rn boutta be glads and still have Nick AA Peni Parker dragon man and HM has five stars. So he definitely “deserves it” more than anyone else. I’ve been facing 3mil+ accounts back to back to back with 20+ r4s and even some accs with an r5! I’m still crushing them!
You know your getting that high because matchmaking is giving you easier matches. Sure you talk about how massive the accounts are that you are beating up but I call cap because we all know how matchmaking works. It won't be putting you against that massive of a change expect once you get to GC.
Don't pay yourself too hard on getting to GC each season when this flawed matchmaking system just has you going against weaker rosters similar to yours. It's not that you are amazing at the game, it's that you don't have to go up against those much better and stronger than you.
This entire discussion is becoming people calling others out for their progress level in the game, while simultaneously calling others out for their level of progress in the game. Very meta. I'd love to see a BG Tournament at Comic Con, or some other outlet. Give everyone who participates equal resources and a chance. I'd be willing to wager the top Players wouldn't be bound by Titles in the game.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
That doesn't really make that much of a difference. There's thousands of accounts with full 6* rosters who are still stuck in silver while you're already in plat 2 on week one. You don't see the problem there? You should be stuck in silver right now with the rest of those accounts until they climb up first (because they're stronger than you), not ahead of them and literally just a few leagues away from GC. Reason you were getting fair matches last season is because Kabam fixed the sandbagging issue without looking at the bigger picture, that's all.
A lot of people think an account stronger than yours is an automatic win there's still strategy, defensive and offensive options, and RNG in everything it took a **** ton of losses to get to plat 2 but it also took a **** ton of wins purely because of better strategy and I'm still winning and losing repeatedly but a thronebreaker account I have not seen since bronze 1
That's not it the issue here is that you're not even facing those accounts in the first place when you should be especially since you're already in plat 2 on week one of battlegrounds. We're all competing for same rewards so we should all face each other regardless of account strength.
He is at Platinum 2. Check these guys that are Mysterium 2 GC at the moment:
I mean, I agree there's a lot of people in GC who don't belong in GC but all those accounts are modders so I wouldn't use those as examples. All of them level 40-50 with very low ratings and they're in Mysterium 2? None of those accounts are legit.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
Meanwhile there are accounts who have all r4 or at least nothing less than r3 6 stars in their battle deck who are stuck in bronze - gold.
This is because of this extremely unfair prestige based matchmaking process that has allowed far weaker rosters (that many 5 stars in battle deck is a fairly weak roster in today's game meta) to avoid stronger rosters for easier path to better rewards than far stronger rosters.
Please tell me why you think you should be able to fight only similar rosters without fighting those stronger than you when you are competing for the EXACT same rewards as them?
You know this matchmaking system has allowed a far weaker roster like your to get better rewards than far stronger rosters that would wipe the floor with you all because you haven't had to face them? Please tell me how that is fair to those who have taken the time (or spent the money) to progress their rosters?
What better rewards are u referring to? I've still seen the same rewards as all the other seasons so not sure what's better
And again if I, with 5*'s in my deck because I don't have loads of great 6*'s, climbed up to plat 2 that should show that I have had better defensive and offensive choices in the matches that I've played against other paragon players. Now it's at a point where even that doesn't matter because their stacked account severely out weights my smart decisions in battle. Even for paragon players to not make it out of bronze if freaking crazy how do u not see the matchmaking is busted this season even with that realization?
They are the same rewards. The rewards you get for moving up through tiers are the same for everyone. So while your smaller account gets to shoot through VT, people who have invested more time/money and potentially more skilled are stuck in Silver and not getting those same milestone rewards for moving through VT.
How you don't see this is beyond me. Kabam should remove everything that determines matchmaking and it should just be one pool with all players. Then everyone can get the rewards they actually deserve.
I have 1 6r5 and 14 6r4, nothing lower than an 6r3 in my deck. Tell me why you should be able to climb through VT and make it to GC before me simply because your roster isn't as advanced.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about. Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.
I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid
My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC
Meanwhile there are accounts who have all r4 or at least nothing less than r3 6 stars in their battle deck who are stuck in bronze - gold.
This is because of this extremely unfair prestige based matchmaking process that has allowed far weaker rosters (that many 5 stars in battle deck is a fairly weak roster in today's game meta) to avoid stronger rosters for easier path to better rewards than far stronger rosters.
Please tell me why you think you should be able to fight only similar rosters without fighting those stronger than you when you are competing for the EXACT same rewards as them?
You know this matchmaking system has allowed a far weaker roster like your to get better rewards than far stronger rosters that would wipe the floor with you all because you haven't had to face them? Please tell me how that is fair to those who have taken the time (or spent the money) to progress their rosters?
What better rewards are u referring to? I've still seen the same rewards as all the other seasons so not sure what's better
And again if I, with 5*'s in my deck because I don't have loads of great 6*'s, climbed up to plat 2 that should show that I have had better defensive and offensive choices in the matches that I've played against other paragon players. Now it's at a point where even that doesn't matter because their stacked account severely out weights my smart decisions in battle. Even for paragon players to not make it out of bronze if freaking crazy how do u not see the matchmaking is busted this season even with that realization?
They are the same rewards. The rewards you get for moving up through tiers are the same for everyone. So while your smaller account gets to shoot through VT, people who have invested more time/money and potentially more skilled are stuck in Silver and not getting those same milestone rewards for moving through VT.
How you don't see this is beyond me. Kabam should remove everything that determines matchmaking and it should just be one pool with all players. Then everyone can get the rewards they actually deserve.
I have 1 6r5 and 14 6r4, nothing lower than an 6r3 in my deck. Tell me why you should be able to climb through VT and make it to GC before me simply because your roster isn't as advanced.
Because this is still a skill based mode, skill only can be measured with balanced matches, there's no value on winning because you have more rank ups than other player.
GC is where your roster will shine, because you get matched to people on your same tier.
VT should be as balanced as possible, and be measured by skill not by how much money or time you spent
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
I have several five stars and I’ve made glads every single season. I’m diamond 1 rn boutta be glads and still have Nick AA Peni Parker dragon man and HM has five stars. So he definitely “deserves it” more than anyone else. I’ve been facing 3mil+ accounts back to back to back with 20+ r4s and even some accs with an r5! I’m still crushing them!
You know your getting that high because matchmaking is giving you easier matches. Sure you talk about how massive the accounts are that you are beating up but I call cap because we all know how matchmaking works. It won't be putting you against that massive of a change expect once you get to GC.
Don't pay yourself too hard on getting to GC each season when this flawed matchmaking system just has you going against weaker rosters similar to yours. It's not that you are amazing at the game, it's that you don't have to go up against those much better and stronger than you.
Haha haha! You want screenshots? I’m paragon but only 1.3mil acc. I do have five stars and every single match is against at least 2.5mil. I’m not exaggerating one bit, the matchmaking is broken I shouldn’t have to deal with this. I’m just a very knowledgeable player and can take em. Sorry but it is possible to beat an acc that’s twice as strong as you if you are determined enough. Me and many others do consider me to be “amazing at the game”. Sorry but I can count 20+ accs that have abyss cleared, r4 absorbing mans a load ton of nasty defenders r3 and above. Sorry you can’t handle beating someone better than you:( That’s how bgs works.
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Further progress in victory track or advancing to GC is obviously far better rewards than someone who didn't get past gold because they had to face 16.5k+ prestige rosters every single fight starting in bronze 3.
Check these guys that are Mysterium 2 GC at the moment:
However, the reason why I believe it's busted is because of the "brackets" within the tiers that allow weaker rosters to only fight weaker rosters and completely avoid stronger rosters.
Ive said it before (countless times at this point) but since we are all fighting for the same rewards then there should be absolutely nothing else taken into consideration in matchmaking other than. What tier (gold 1, plat 2, etc) you are in.
Prestige, pi, roster, etc should have NO impact on matchmaking while we are competing for the same rank rewards.
The OP isn't that low, and it's not unreasonable to be in Plat with a couple R4s.
You can’t do Abyss with such low account, unless you pay decades of thousands of dollars buying Odins, and it’s very unlikely he did.
These are only five from what you call “extreme” cases, but there are more there.
Check Mysterium 2 standings and see for yourself 😉
There are modders but there are legit very low accounts also already in GC.
And it’s only day 8 of season.
Next days GC will be flooded with low accounts such as these.
Meanwhile 4mil accounts struggle at Silver or even Bronze brackets.
Prestige matchmaking was never a good idea.
I've been pretty vocal about the need for something to average out at the beginning, but I also believe in the ability of someone to fight their way up. I don't automatically consider it the result of Matches just because a lower Account has advanced and people with higher Accounts aren't. You have to fight smart. You have to bring the right counters. Sometimes you have to invest in some Shields. You have to think on your feet depending on Bans and counters. So I'm not denying either side's arguments. I just think there's an element of people not beating their own Matches as well.
At the lower levels, a slightly above decent player can easily advance to GC in not much time. In the medium paragon area where you have to fight the best players and rosters in the game for every single fight starting in bronze 3, even a well above average player will struggle to pull off multiple wins ina row, making it ridiculously painful to even get out of early BG tiers.
But those r4 5* was havok which people weren't banning cause he was low pi yet was carrying most of my wins. Again the matchmaking is busted but it is also about strategy, skill and rng
(Not at all bragging or saying I'm the best player clearly I'm not honestly trying to show a point, humbly)
I think it’s difficult for you to grasp the competition players at the top end face from day 1, just like it’s probably difficult for top end players to grasp the issues players at the UC level face.
I don’t purport to be an authority on BGs—but I can say personally and via perhaps a couple dozen anecdotes of similarly situated players that it can be frustrating (especially given the relatively even attributes of this season’s VT meta) to be unable to gain traction and make progress.
I don’t think you can treat “the Paragon level” as if it is monolithic—it isn’t. The difference between a deck with 3, 6, 12, 24 or 30 R4 champs can be highly significant. With a meta that doesn’t favor a handful of champs, a mostly R4 deck is at a pronounced advantage over one that is 1/3 or even 1/2 R4. The razor thin nature of a lot of my matches bears that out—dodgy pRNG, a dropped input, bad connection, a parry that becomes a blocked hit—can be enough to turn a win into a loss against higher rank defenders.
That isn’t a matter of OP champs or selective rankups. The decks of many of my opponents aren’t selectively ranked because they are nearly all ranked. And while further ranking my own champs might only serve to boost my prestige further (and guarantees more stacked deck matches), I don’t think you could honestly call a roster with 60 R3 and above champs too “selectively ranked” to navigate Bronze, Silver and Gold.
None of this is meant as a complaint—I hit a few rough patches last season and played about a week in GC like the previous season. I expect to do the same again. But I sincerely doubt any of the lower accounts face anything remotely like what‘s being described by others in this thread. No matter how skilled they may be, a deck with 5*’s isn’t going to cut it against most if not any of the competition they face.
As @DNA3000 noted above, what’s needed to progress at UC or Cav or even TB level against similar accounts—a single OP champ, a new R3, a lucky dupe—is far less than what’s needed to progress against loaded accounts at the top end. And it really isn’t even close.
Dr. Zola
The problem is, we have a number of Accounts that have focused on getting the highest Title as quickly as possible, and their options to compete with the higher Ranks haven't filled out yet. BGs isn't just about who has the highest Title. Which is why I've acknowledged the issue presented, buy still need to point out the existing shortcomings. Someone having a Title doesn't make one more capable or skilled at BGs automatically.
The irony is, because of the Rewards involved, people are quick to justify said larger Accounts (which vastly differ from Paragon vs. developed Paragon) coming up against much smaller Accounts. I find that logic to be somewhat askew.
The main point is, I'm less sympathetic towards a Paragon coming up against a Paragon, versus people wanting to take out the lower ones.
At that level, you have more Resources and access to the ability to win, lose, and improve on your ability. Anyone that says the same applies equally to the people on the lower end isn't comparing with a level mind.
To put it bluntly, people still have to be willing to look at their own skills, or lack thereof. Not just point out the lack of skills in others.
Dr. Zola
Don't pay yourself too hard on getting to GC each season when this flawed matchmaking system just has you going against weaker rosters similar to yours. It's not that you are amazing at the game, it's that you don't have to go up against those much better and stronger than you.
I'd love to see a BG Tournament at Comic Con, or some other outlet. Give everyone who participates equal resources and a chance. I'd be willing to wager the top Players wouldn't be bound by Titles in the game.
How you don't see this is beyond me. Kabam should remove everything that determines matchmaking and it should just be one pool with all players. Then everyone can get the rewards they actually deserve.
I have 1 6r5 and 14 6r4, nothing lower than an 6r3 in my deck. Tell me why you should be able to climb through VT and make it to GC before me simply because your roster isn't as advanced.
GC is where your roster will shine, because you get matched to people on your same tier.
VT should be as balanced as possible, and be measured by skill not by how much money or time you spent