Would you like to see changes to BG matchmaking?

Chatterofforums

Lots of threads on this and different opinions, but let's get some quantitative data on the subject.

FiiNCH

*sigh* here he goes again..

Yodabolt21

Yes, something else needed or just a massive overhaul

Something is needed. I don't have an answer as to what because if it's based on roster similarity, you could be waiting a very long time for a match. Same bracket is probably the "fairest" way, but even then there will be a lot of mismatches, thus making it much more difficult to advance.

The best way to do it would be strength of BG deck. Even so, I have no idea if the coding for that could even be done.

A tier system similar to AW would be ok, but it would they would have to take at least 2 seasons worth of data to compile rankings etc... so not realistic IMO

Chatterofforums

Yes, anyone in a tier (ie gold 2) should face anyone in that tier

FiiNCH said:

*sigh* here he goes again..

Ya, I know we don't really need another BG thread, but hear me out here. We got thousands of responses over dozens of posts on this subject. Cant make heads from tails on it anymore.

If we can get a little data on a more simple high level item (does it need adjustments?), then it might be able to help show an overall community feeling and hopefully actually get us some kind of input or response on the subject from Kabam other than the very generic one they did once (even though we have different feelings on how it should be).

Yodabolt21

Yes, something else needed or just a massive overhaul

There are many threads on this because it affects the vast majority of summoners. Just like the input issues. Conveniently enough, neither one of the topics has been addressed by Kabam. Which means we will probably see many more until they address them.

Ironman3000

Yes, anyone in a tier (ie gold 2) should face anyone in that tier

The only "fair" matchmaking is completely random. If low players want easier matches, then Kabam can make their own league for them.

FiiNCH

Chatterofforums said:

FiiNCH said:

*sigh* here he goes again..

Ya, I know we don't really need another BG thread, but hear me out here. We got thousands of responses over dozens of posts on this subject. Cant make heads from tails on it anymore.

If we can get a little data on a more simple high level item (does it need adjustments?), then it might be able to help show an overall community feeling and hopefully actually get us some kind of input or response on the subject from Kabam other than the very generic one they did once (even though we have different feelings on how it should be).

The problem is whatever data you capture here is in no way representative of the entire player base. I also don’t think there’s really a solution that will make every player happy. There’s always going to be somebody not happy.

Chatterofforums

Yes, anyone in a tier (ie gold 2) should face anyone in that tier

FiiNCH said:

Chatterofforums said:

FiiNCH said:

*sigh* here he goes again..

Ya, I know we don't really need another BG thread, but hear me out here. We got thousands of responses over dozens of posts on this subject. Cant make heads from tails on it anymore.

If we can get a little data on a more simple high level item (does it need adjustments?), then it might be able to help show an overall community feeling and hopefully actually get us some kind of input or response on the subject from Kabam other than the very generic one they did once (even though we have different feelings on how it should be).

The problem is whatever data you capture here is in no way representative of the entire player base. I also don’t think there’s really a solution that will make every player happy. There’s always going to be somebody not happy.

I can't disagree with that, but the same can be said about everything on forums (as well as beta testing and surveys they send out). It's pretty well known that Kabam sometimes just stays quiet on certain issues and hopes the complaints just go away (which sometimes works for them).

We already have tons of qualitative data in forums but unless someone actually sorts through it, it's too messy to have any real impact. I'm hoping a quantitative data source can at least show a very general overview of how a small sample group of players are feeling about this.

Greekhit

Yes, anyone in a tier (ie gold 2) should face anyone in that tier

FiiNCH said:

Chatterofforums said:

FiiNCH said:

*sigh* here he goes again..

Ya, I know we don't really need another BG thread, but hear me out here. We got thousands of responses over dozens of posts on this subject. Cant make heads from tails on it anymore.

If we can get a little data on a more simple high level item (does it need adjustments?), then it might be able to help show an overall community feeling and hopefully actually get us some kind of input or response on the subject from Kabam other than the very generic one they did once (even though we have different feelings on how it should be).

The problem is whatever data you capture here is in no way representative of the entire player base. I also don’t think there’s really a solution that will make every player happy. There’s always going to be somebody not happy.

Of course you can’t make anyone happy.
First of all who will riot after any matchmaking change, are the lower UC accounts, which at this point they are already spoiled from the rewards they are overachieving from BGs for two seasons now.
Change matchmaking to random, or tie the rewards proportional to matchmaking parameters.
You can’t give away rewards to players that elude the competition.

GroundedWisdom

At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I think the points have been made in other Threads. I realize I've been quite vocal, but we don't need to keep adding more.

GinjabredMonsta

I stopped playing BG due to the amount of issues with the mode itself. That being said, I feel the main issue is that a lot of the arguments I’ve seen is people saying they are going against people way out of their league. People take that as people complaining that they want easy matches to climb to the top. I don’t think that’s the problem. I don’t think people are saying they want all easy matches per say, but that they want people who around their same strength and skill set, which is easier said than done.

When I did so BG matches, I thought most if not all my matches seemed fair. If I had to suggest a system, I think people should be in their tiers, or similar to war. You climb that tier and face people and that tier and eventually you max out at what your current skill and roaster allows for. Both skill and roster are important in BG, and I can see definite issues if it’s set for people to only fight people around their level the whole time because that would lead to an easy road, but if you’re in gold or something, then you should be able to fight those opponents and rosters. If you start struggling and finding it hard to move then you found your peak and gotta work to surpass that.

Yodabolt21

Yes, something else needed or just a massive overhaul

GinjabredMonsta said:

I stopped playing BG due to the amount of issues with the mode itself. That being said, I feel the main issue is that a lot of the arguments I’ve seen is people saying they are going against people way out of their league. People take that as people complaining that they want easy matches to climb to the top. I don’t think that’s the problem. I don’t think people are saying they want all easy matches per say, but that they want people who around their same strength and skill set, which is easier said than done.

When I did so BG matches, I thought most if not all my matches seemed fair. If I had to suggest a system, I think people should be in their tiers, or similar to war. You climb that tier and face people and that tier and eventually you max out at what your current skill and roaster allows for. Both skill and roster are important in BG, and I can see definite issues if it’s set for people to only fight people around their level the whole time because that would lead to an easy road, but if you’re in gold or something, then you should be able to fight those opponents and rosters. If you start struggling and finding it hard to move then you found your peak and gotta work to surpass that.

Generally I tend to agree. But, my issue is that roster size is the biggest problem. I am Paragon with 12 r4. I am regularly going against full decks of r4. I enjoy the challenge. However, in these "nuke" metas, I and many others have no chance. I don't want easy matches, I want fair matches. When you are are already at a disadvantage based on the deck, then yo factor in the RNG of the draft, I have no chance in many of these matches. Some I do and win, some I do and mess up and lose, but 65% of the time, I lose by either 5 seconds or a small % of health. Now look at that from the perspective of others who might 1 or 2 r4. They are still being paired with accounts like mine, which is not fair for them either.

There is no easy answer or fix to matchmaking. I do feel that having the draft portion being reworked is the best way. Often times, whoever picks first has an advantage in my experience. It sets up the whole match in a sense. I firmly believe that both both player A and player B should pick defenders at the same time each round. They would be hidden until both players hit ready or the time runs out. Then you each get to pick your attacker (knowing who the defender is). I've thought of many solutions to even the filed out and think this is this simplest and most pain free way of doing it. Yes, this does eliminate a small portion of the strategy aspect of bgs, but I do believe it would make those mismatches more fair and give everyone a fighting chance at winning every match.

Chatterofforums

Yes, anyone in a tier (ie gold 2) should face anyone in that tier

GroundedWisdom said:

At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I think the points have been made in other Threads. I realize I've been quite vocal, but we don't need to keep adding more.

The problem is Kabams lack of response (one extremely vague response after numerous tags requesting some kind of acknowledgement). Kabam has made absolutely no indication that anything in any of the other threads has even been acknowledged (not even the vague response acknowledged anything stated in the threads).

It's easier to Ignore scattered discussions going around in circles in the other threads, but straight up numerical analysis can help define the perceived issues.

GroundedWisdom

Chatterofforums said:

GroundedWisdom said:

At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I think the points have been made in other Threads. I realize I've been quite vocal, but we don't need to keep adding more.

The problem is Kabams lack of response (one extremely vague response after numerous tags requesting some kind of acknowledgement). Kabam has made absolutely no indication that anything in any of the other threads has even been acknowledged (not even the vague response acknowledged anything stated in the threads).

It's easier to Ignore scattered discussions going around in circles in the other threads, but straight up numerical analysis can help define the perceived issues.

They're not sitting here ignoring discussions. It's their job to read what goes on here. Persistently posting about issues is not going to elicit a response, and they've indicated as much.

DrZola

Where’s the “None of the Above—I’d like to face much smaller accounts and pulverize their MCoC Hopes and Dreams” option?

That is what everyone is upset about, right? Keeping smaller accounts out of Mysterium? At least let me just once enjoy the start of a season with a string of about two dozen UC accounts with 5* Drax as their top champ.

Is that really too much to ask ?

Dr. Zola

Chuck_Finley

Yes, something else needed or just a massive overhaul

Not sur

Ironman3000 said:

The only "fair" matchmaking is completely random. If low players want easier matches, then Kabam can make their own league for them.

Agree. Or install a weighted system for wins and losses with it being random so it’s not as penalizing. But you would have to rework how you move up, etc.

Either way - it just needs blown up.

Mr_Platypus

Yes, anyone in a tier (ie gold 2) should face anyone in that tier

Chuck_Finley said:

Not sur

Ironman3000 said:

The only "fair" matchmaking is completely random. If low players want easier matches, then Kabam can make their own league for them.

Agree. Or install a weighted system for wins and losses with it being random so it’s not as penalizing. But you would have to rework how you move up, etc.

Either way - it just needs blown up.

Yeah they could do with changing it to something like you need double the amount of points to go up a rank, but you get +2 for a win, -1 for a loss.
If you get a streak going, it’s the same as it is currently in terms of matches to go up.
But also allows people to hold a 50% win rate (which is what they seem to want with how they currently have matchmaking set up) and still move up the ranks, albeit very slowly.

Coppin

No, it's perfect as is, don't change a thing

This game mode should have been gated to TB+