BGs Killing my Drive

GivMeABeer

So not exactly sure how I want to start this post as there is so many factors to consider. The over arching theme is night after night when I finally have a stretch of time to sit and play BGs (after getting up, situating kids, going to work, coming home, dinner, kids to bed) what ends up happening is I alternate wins and losses, make no progress on victory track advancement and just feel like I wasted 30 mins to an hour of play time. Having this happen over and over it just really kills your drive, makes you feel like **** in terms of being able to improve your roster with the tokens in the store and just a frustrating state of mind in regards to BGs.

I’m paragon with a roster of R4s/R3 6*s and can’t get out of silver III atm. I loose matches for various reasons; playing poorly, bad draft, better competition ect. Having to string the 3x wins together is what is really killing things for me and wish there was a better way for progression outside of buying shields for every single match.

Idk, just my stream of thoughts about where I am at with BGs in general. Feel free to reply with good, bad, ugly ect; I’m open for a good discussion to see how other ppl are feeling with BGs.

Ironman3000

Unfortunately, they bent to the will of the vocal low-end players complaining abotu sandbagging and completely screwed-up matchmaking (which end-game players predicted would happen). The top players are stuck facing each other, which guarantees that a Paragon is losing every round and artificially keeps them down. It's a slog and a frustrating waste of time now for many of the best players in the game (and a breeze for many of the mid to low-tier players). They did this in AW and it was a complete disaster. I have no idea why they thought the same thing wouldn't happen in BGs.

The frustration is made worse, at least for me, because in no way should a player of my level be struggling this much in the lowest tiers of the VT. That's not me being an entitled A-hole, that's just a fact. I have spent 8 years playing this game, many of which were in a top 10-20 ally, beating all content as soon as it was released and building a roster that is globally in the top 1000 (my lowest was ~100 a few years ago). In literally any other game, that amount of time, money, and effort would be rewarded and I'd quickly ascend and be fighting in the top few tiers of BGs vs others who have similar journies as me. Instead of seeing those fithgts vs seasoned vets in the top tiers, I'm seeing them in Bronze and Silver when I know for a fact that low accounts are getting a free pass to higher tiers because they can't face me.

Also, because I should be winning Bronze and Silver fights, losses feel so much worse than wins feel good. That leads to more anger and frustration, which leads to not wanting to play the mode.

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

Zenn_La

Right there with ya bud, work full time and play for fun in the evenings for a couple hours. Paragon, decent skills/roster, currently stuck at Silver 3. Was one fight away from Gold just now and the game glitched said Match over and gave me an instant loss when I was winning. There are other players that are younger with more free time and skills, whales spending big $$$ and people just putting in crazy hours to advance. The AI right now is super sketchy, it pulls some BS stuff quite often, especially in BGs and it can be really annoying even if you are playing well.

I made Gladiator circuit last season but it was a lot of fights to get there and there was only like 3 days left by the time I made it in so I finished with like 40 points. Seems the RNG may be involved at times too not to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Seems like the game won’t let me advance too quickly. Usually when I’m on a roll all the sudden I’ll lose 5 matches in a row or lose 1 where I really need the win. Also RNG champion/opponent drafting can destroy you, sometimes the match ups are hopeless no matter how good you play.Usually I wait until I win 2 in a row and then invest in a shield but I don’t usually have many units since I hate/don’t have time Arena.

DJMNH

Made Gladiator circuit last season, this season stuck in Silver 1 past 5 days, after 2 fights in a row, 3rd fight iam pitted against players with stacked R4 and many R5, as a result even if iam K.O my opponent defenders, iam losing on the timing part, as my opponents are cheesing out my defenders in less than 40-60 secs.

Iam really clueless whats wrong ? is it I am playing bad, which i think, iam not in comparison to last season, but really it's depressing

Pikolu

DJMNH said:

Made Gladiator circuit last season, this season stuck in Silver 1 past 5 days, after 2 fights in a row, 3rd fight iam pitted against players with stacked R4 and many R5, as a result even if iam K.O my opponent defenders, iam losing on the timing part, as my opponents are cheesing out my defenders in less than 40-60 secs.

Iam really clueless whats wrong ? is it I am playing bad, which i think, iam not in comparison to last season, but really it's depressing

This meta is just a nuke meta so there really isn't any strategy, just get good luck for drawing great counters to your opponents champions and easy win.

Bigger accounts are better in this meta since all annoying defenders work well and all cheese attackers work well too.

FiiNCH

Ironman3000 said:

Unfortunately, they bent to the will of the vocal low-end players complaining abotu sandbagging and completely screwed-up matchmaking (which end-game players predicted would happen). The top players are stuck facing each other, which guarantees that a Paragon is losing every round and artificially keeps them down. It's a slog and a frustrating waste of time now for many of the best players in the game (and a breeze for many of the mid to low-tier players). They did this in AW and it was a complete disaster. I have no idea why they thought the same thing wouldn't happen in BGs.

The frustration is made worse, at least for me, because in no way should a player of my level be struggling this much in the lowest tiers of the VT. That's not me being an entitled A-hole, that's just a fact. I have spent 8 years playing this game, many of which were in a top 10-20 ally, beating all content as soon as it was released and building a roster that is globally in the top 1000 (my lowest was ~100 a few years ago). In literally any other game, that amount of time, money, and effort would be rewarded and I'd quickly ascend and be fighting in the top few tiers of BGs vs others who have similar journies as me. Instead of seeing those fithgts vs seasoned vets in the top tiers, I'm seeing them in Bronze and Silver when I know for a fact that low accounts are getting a free pass to higher tiers because they can't face me.

Also, because I should be winning Bronze and Silver fights, losses feel so much worse than wins feel good. That leads to more anger and frustration, which leads to not wanting to play the mode.

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

Nothing to do with the fact we have a nuke meta this season either no..?

Renaxqq

Somebody will say that we have to rank up champs/strengthen our deck to advance but most of us already did it. Full deck with good champs and all of them are at R3 and few at R4 but still we are getting matched against decks that are full with sig 200 R4 6*s. So, to reach GC we must have full deck with R4s? And the best possible attackers/defenders for particular nodes? Spending more is the answer?

Chuck_Finley

Renaxqq said:

Somebody will say that we have to rank up champs/strengthen our deck to advance but most of us already did it. Full deck with good champs and all of them are at R3 and few at R4 but still we are getting matched against decks that are full with sig 200 R4 6*s. So, to reach GC we must have full deck with R4s? And the best possible attackers/defenders for particular nodes? Spending more is the answer?

No, the answer is the opposite. Rank down tickets.

Worknprogress

Ironman3000 said:

Unfortunately, they bent to the will of the vocal low-end players complaining abotu sandbagging and completely screwed-up matchmaking (which end-game players predicted would happen). The top players are stuck facing each other, which guarantees that a Paragon is losing every round and artificially keeps them down. It's a slog and a frustrating waste of time now for many of the best players in the game (and a breeze for many of the mid to low-tier players). They did this in AW and it was a complete disaster. I have no idea why they thought the same thing wouldn't happen in BGs.

The frustration is made worse, at least for me, because in no way should a player of my level be struggling this much in the lowest tiers of the VT. That's not me being an entitled A-hole, that's just a fact. I have spent 8 years playing this game, many of which were in a top 10-20 ally, beating all content as soon as it was released and building a roster that is globally in the top 1000 (my lowest was ~100 a few years ago). In literally any other game, that amount of time, money, and effort would be rewarded and I'd quickly ascend and be fighting in the top few tiers of BGs vs others who have similar journies as me. Instead of seeing those fithgts vs seasoned vets in the top tiers, I'm seeing them in Bronze and Silver when I know for a fact that low accounts are getting a free pass to higher tiers because they can't face me.

Also, because I should be winning Bronze and Silver fights, losses feel so much worse than wins feel good. That leads to more anger and frustration, which leads to not wanting to play the mode.

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

None of "the best players in the game" are struggling.

Moosetiptronic

Going to give up on them pretty soon, if not this season. 10 r4s and can take up 3 more. Not terrible at the game according to my war stats (245 MVPs), but feel the same with regards to time in this mode and progression.

Exactly 50% win rate so it takes luck and a lot of time to just climb the victory track ladder. Now they are the best rewards in game, which translates to more shots at the featured and r4 mats.

But, that's the only reason to play BGs. The mode? Fun.

The psychological impact of loss aversion turning it into a mode I viscerally hate? Horrendous.

If the rewards were the same as incursions, I would not play it at all.

GivMeABeer

All I’m trying to do is get sig lvls for my new R4 Hercules. BGs are by far the best way to achieve them but when I can’t strong enough wins to advance this feels like an uphill battle I won’t win. I just want to be able to make progress for my time invested. Last 8 matches have been alternating loss and win; let’s say each match takes 8 mins from matching to finishing. That’s over an hour or play time that is essentially wasted. To me that’s the real issue, I want to feel like my time is well spent and right now with the way matching and advancing is done requiring 3x battle tokens I really don’t feel like I’m using my limited game time wisely trying to advance in BGs.

BENNYJ

pretty much the same situation as OP. But I’ve just won 8 out of 10, and have climbed to gold 1. Feels like it’s starting to even out a little

TyEdge

Increase the tokens needed to progress. 2 becomes 3. 3 becomes 5. 5 becomes 7.

Award 2 tokens for a win, and take 1 token for a loss. Alternatively, 2 for a win, -1 for a 2-1 loss and -2 for a 2-0 loss.

This roadblock is exactly what stops me. I need to be “on” when I’m playing - free of distractions, awake and alert - or else it won’t work. That time is hard to come by, and now matchmaking is harder than ever.

GinjabredMonsta

Ironman3000 said:

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

How does this seem like the best solution? What you suggested is a completely random fighting where you get tokens based on the progression level you beat. This almost makes it just roster based matchmaking and rewarding people closer to the top to climb the ladder higher. This sounds like a worst system than is already in place and progression titles shouldn’t be involved with match making or scoring.

Chuck_Finley

GivMeABeer said:

All I’m trying to do is get sig lvls for my new R4 Hercules. BGs are by far the best way to achieve them but when I can’t strong enough wins to advance this feels like an uphill battle I won’t win. I just want to be able to make progress for my time invested. Last 8 matches have been alternating loss and win; let’s say each match takes 8 mins from matching to finishing. That’s over an hour or play time that is essentially wasted. To me that’s the real issue, I want to feel like my time is well spent and right now with the way matching and advancing is done requiring 3x battle tokens I really don’t feel like I’m using my limited game time wisely trying to advance in BGs.

Yep, that’s basically why I usually only play when there are milestones… might play one or two more if I am a win from the next level. But the zero sum game of winning consecutive fights without losing consecutive fights in the current matchmaking is pointless. You can grind all day, win 50-60% of your fights and never advance. And inevitably someone will tell you that you have no skill when you point this out.

Chuck_Finley

GinjabredMonsta said:

Ironman3000 said:

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

How does this seem like the best solution? What you suggested is a completely random fighting where you get tokens based on the progression level you beat. This almost makes it just roster based matchmaking and rewarding people closer to the top to climb the ladder higher. This sounds like a worst system than is already in place and progression titles shouldn’t be involved with match making or scoring.

If we are all competing for the same GC and milestones, explain why lower accounts should NEVER have to face higher accounts…

Ironman3000

Worknprogress said:

Ironman3000 said:

Unfortunately, they bent to the will of the vocal low-end players complaining abotu sandbagging and completely screwed-up matchmaking (which end-game players predicted would happen). The top players are stuck facing each other, which guarantees that a Paragon is losing every round and artificially keeps them down. It's a slog and a frustrating waste of time now for many of the best players in the game (and a breeze for many of the mid to low-tier players). They did this in AW and it was a complete disaster. I have no idea why they thought the same thing wouldn't happen in BGs.

The frustration is made worse, at least for me, because in no way should a player of my level be struggling this much in the lowest tiers of the VT. That's not me being an entitled A-hole, that's just a fact. I have spent 8 years playing this game, many of which were in a top 10-20 ally, beating all content as soon as it was released and building a roster that is globally in the top 1000 (my lowest was ~100 a few years ago). In literally any other game, that amount of time, money, and effort would be rewarded and I'd quickly ascend and be fighting in the top few tiers of BGs vs others who have similar journies as me. Instead of seeing those fithgts vs seasoned vets in the top tiers, I'm seeing them in Bronze and Silver when I know for a fact that low accounts are getting a free pass to higher tiers because they can't face me.

Also, because I should be winning Bronze and Silver fights, losses feel so much worse than wins feel good. That leads to more anger and frustration, which leads to not wanting to play the mode.

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

None of "the best players in the game" are struggling.

Only if you don't consider the top ~1000 players of the millions that play the game the best, then I guess you're right. The best is only the .0001% noth the .001%!

Ironman3000

GinjabredMonsta said:

Ironman3000 said:

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

How does this seem like the best solution? What you suggested is a completely random fighting where you get tokens based on the progression level you beat. This almost makes it just roster based matchmaking and rewarding people closer to the top to climb the ladder higher. This sounds like a worst system than is already in place and progression titles shouldn’t be involved with match making or scoring.

I don't think you understand what I proposed.

GinjabredMonsta

Chuck_Finley said:

GinjabredMonsta said:

Ironman3000 said:

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

How does this seem like the best solution? What you suggested is a completely random fighting where you get tokens based on the progression level you beat. This almost makes it just roster based matchmaking and rewarding people closer to the top to climb the ladder higher. This sounds like a worst system than is already in place and progression titles shouldn’t be involved with match making or scoring.

If we are all competing for the same GC and milestones, explain why lower accounts should NEVER have to face higher accounts…

That’s not what I said at all. I said the system is almost progression based and progressions shouldn’t be a factor in matchmaking or ranking up. People should definitely be fighting people of different ranks, but it shouldn’t be completely random. Especially in VT, but I can see that being a GC thing where it’s just all random. But again, nowhere did I say that lower accounts shouldn’t NEVER have to face higher accounts. If you can point out where I said that then I’d be happy to see it and apologize.

Ironman3000 said:

GinjabredMonsta said:

Ironman3000 said:

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

How does this seem like the best solution? What you suggested is a completely random fighting where you get tokens based on the progression level you beat. This almost makes it just roster based matchmaking and rewarding people closer to the top to climb the ladder higher. This sounds like a worst system than is already in place and progression titles shouldn’t be involved with match making or scoring.

I don't think you understand what I proposed.

You are 100% right. I don’t understand what you proposed. That’s why I quoted that section specifically and made a comment asking how it seems to be the best solution and my interpretation of what you just said. I would like to see your further explanation on it, especially if what I said was not what you were suggesting.

Aleor

Ironman3000 said:

GinjabredMonsta said:

Ironman3000 said:

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

How does this seem like the best solution? What you suggested is a completely random fighting where you get tokens based on the progression level you beat. This almost makes it just roster based matchmaking and rewarding people closer to the top to climb the ladder higher. This sounds like a worst system than is already in place and progression titles shouldn’t be involved with match making or scoring.

I don't think you understand what I proposed.

I don't think you understand how bad your proposal is. Basically it creates extra advantage for higher tier players and makes it harder for lower tier players to progress. The only thing needed is to bring back matchmaking to leaderboard they had initially and change milestones. Although I guess kbam won't do that, as it looks like they're trying to monetize bgs every bad way possibly

DrZola

I think the three comments from DNA on this page of a related thread are pretty relevant.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/328218/these-matchmaking-accounts-are-way-too-stacked-for-vt#latest

The realization that—for a significant number of accounts—BGs feels like a zero sum game is probably more pronounced with this VT meta. There doesn’t seem to be a small number of “meta champs” and, while that’s arguably opens competition up a bit, it also means at VT levels maintaining a streak of wins can be a matter of drafting, banning or just bad luck.

@Worknprogress thinking about your comment that top end accounts are doing fine—do you find yourself matched against similarly stacked accounts with most of the counters known & most decks settled apart from new champs? Apart from random draft anomalies, does each match have a fair amount of stability and/or predictability? Are you facing the *same* fights with the difference largely being small margins or is there a lot of variability for you?

I haven’t seen your champs in a while, but I will assume the roster is as well developed as it has usually been. On the way up, did you run across 16K+ accounts, or did you have some matches against lower Paragon accounts?

I’m genuinely curious. There’s a pretty broad range of account strengths and ability levels at 15.5K+, and I would expect an account like yours to largely be facing off against the pinnacle of BG accounts at this stage. Is that your experience?

Dr. Zola

XFREEDOMX

I aways get matched up with opponents 1.5-2x larger my account size. Not that i want easy fights every single time but it would be nice to match up with 1.5-2x smaller than mine!

Sarvanga1_

It has become a real chore to progress in bgs
On top of all this, trying to maintain a win streak has been made even harder due to the insta ko bug.

Lpoo

Im just not interested in BG anymore

Darth_Stewie

Quite often I go on a 5 fight winning streak, for example...followed by a 10 fight losing streak. I have to keep myself to about 3 losses then I have to stop myself. Luckily EQ TB is doable this month so I have been spending my energy on that, knowing I am guaranteed rewards for my effort. When it's later in the month, I should be caught up on all the monthly events then spend my energy on BG. Hopefully, all the lower accounts should move up making it easier for me to advance (just my theory)

I refuse to waste my time on something that doesn't guarantee me rewards as much as I can.

It's bad enough this game is flooded with bugs...I dont need anymore frustration fighting against unfair matchups and poor draft options. I don't need anything else adding to my anger about this game right now. Just me...

I feel ya OP

Worknprogress

DrZola said:

I think the three comments from DNA on this page of a related thread are pretty relevant.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/328218/these-matchmaking-accounts-are-way-too-stacked-for-vt#latest

The realization that—for a significant number of accounts—BGs feels like a zero sum game is probably more pronounced with this VT meta. There doesn’t seem to be a small number of “meta champs” and, while that’s arguably opens competition up a bit, it also means at VT levels maintaining a streak of wins can be a matter of drafting, banning or just bad luck.

@Worknprogress thinking about your comment that top end accounts are doing fine—do you find yourself matched against similarly stacked accounts with most of the counters known & most decks settled apart from new champs? Apart from random draft anomalies, does each match have a fair amount of stability and/or predictability? Are you facing the *same* fights with the difference largely being small margins or is there a lot of variability for you?

I haven’t seen your champs in a while, but I will assume the roster is as well developed as it has usually been. On the way up, did you run across 16K+ accounts, or did you have some matches against lower Paragon accounts?

I’m genuinely curious. There’s a pretty broad range of account strengths and ability levels at 15.5K+, and I would expect an account like yours to largely be facing off against the pinnacle of BG accounts at this stage. Is that your experience?

Dr. Zola

The vast majority of my matches in VT across all seasons so far have been comparable accounts to mine. There have been the occasional outliers, typically when matchmaking is taking longer, but for the most part I haven't been involved in many obvious mismatches.

Worknprogress

Comparable accounts may not be accurate (I don't ever check overall rating or prestige personally) but I probably should have said comparable decks. After 30 champs account size matters as that means you have more options to fill deck for a specific meta need but in the end what matters is deck strength and its rare I'm matched against someone I'd say doesn't have a chance just based on deck strength

Greekhit

TyEdge said:

Increase the tokens needed to progress. 2 becomes 3. 3 becomes 5. 5 becomes 7.

Award 2 tokens for a win, and take 1 token for a loss. Alternatively, 2 for a win, -1 for a 2-1 loss and -2 for a 2-0 loss.

This roadblock is exactly what stops me. I need to be “on” when I’m playing - free of distractions, awake and alert - or else it won’t work. That time is hard to come by, and now matchmaking is harder than ever.

I’ve always been big supporter of this idea.
Increase tokens needed per bracket at VT.
Award 2 for win, subtract 1 for loss.
Or the alternative point system you proposed, but I would do differently, as @DNA3000 had proposed:
+2 tokens for win 2-0
+1 token for win 2-1
0 tokens for loss 2-1
-1 token for loss 2-0
That would make the time spent in Battlegrounds worth it, since now if you don’t achieve a minimum of ~60% win ratio it’s basically a time/resources waste, and by definition most players aren’t achieving that.
Prestige matchmaking can remain throughout VT, since most players will met at GC and there will be filtered, to finally place where they really belong, compared to the competition.
Of course all these are good, and would made all players happy, but I personally doubt Kabam will move to that direction anytime soon, since it’s pretty obvious now that they made VT this way and insist on “equal” matchmaking procedures, because they want people to use these overpriced and low value (since they burn even if you win) Victory Shields.
I’m not against a company to try to monetise the game as much as they can, since I spend a respectable amount of money annually, but with this BGs setup they won’t achieve anything other than pushing players away from the mode.
No one will spend hundreds of units on very expensive Victory Shields in order to “escape” VT and reach GC, and that if you can achieve at least 50% win ratio, let alone if your win ratio is lower, then you are looking into thousands units.
If they rewards weren’t so good, Battlegrounds would have already been a dead mode.

Ironman3000

Aleor said:

Ironman3000 said:

GinjabredMonsta said:

Ironman3000 said:

The current BG matchmaking is completely backward and has to be changed. If they won't change the matchmaking they have to implement my proposed win multiplier system from a last week, which is basically how they do AW:

3 tokens for beating a Paragon
2 tokens for beating a TB
1 token for beating a UC or CAV
All losses are -1 token

How does this seem like the best solution? What you suggested is a completely random fighting where you get tokens based on the progression level you beat. This almost makes it just roster based matchmaking and rewarding people closer to the top to climb the ladder higher. This sounds like a worst system than is already in place and progression titles shouldn’t be involved with match making or scoring.

I don't think you understand what I proposed.

I don't think you understand how bad your proposal is. Basically it creates extra advantage for higher tier players and makes it harder for lower tier players to progress. The only thing needed is to bring back matchmaking to leaderboard they had initially and change milestones. Although I guess kbam won't do that, as it looks like they're trying to monetize bgs every bad way possibly

Please explain how this could possibly make it harder for lower players to advance than it currently is.

Did you guy even actually read what I proposed?

Chatterofforums

GivMeABeer said:

So not exactly sure how I want to start this post as there is so many factors to consider. The over arching theme is night after night when I finally have a stretch of time to sit and play BGs (after getting up, situating kids, going to work, coming home, dinner, kids to bed) what ends up happening is I alternate wins and losses, make no progress on victory track advancement and just feel like I wasted 30 mins to an hour of play time. Having this happen over and over it just really kills your drive, makes you feel like **** in terms of being able to improve your roster with the tokens in the store and just a frustrating state of mind in regards to BGs.

I’m paragon with a roster of R4s/R3 6*s and can’t get out of silver III atm. I loose matches for various reasons; playing poorly, bad draft, better competition ect. Having to string the 3x wins together is what is really killing things for me and wish there was a better way for progression outside of buying shields for every single match.

Idk, just my stream of thoughts about where I am at with BGs in general. Feel free to reply with good, bad, ugly ect; I’m open for a good discussion to see how other ppl are feeling with BGs.

You and me both bud. I feel (and live) the pain you discuss. I went from hardcore straight to GC within first few days of each season type of player to now this season forcing myself barely doing enough to get objectives.

This matchmaking garbage has ruined the mode for me. But on the bright side, at least all though 7-8k prestige UC and Cav get max victory track and some GC rewards while not having to face those that would destroy them and can't get out of silver.