Paragon or TB and stuck in Victory track? Check this out

Here is a little something to show those of us who are paragon or TB and still in victory track, 65 accounts currently in Arcane 2, meaning full victory track rewards and guaranteed GC rewards.

https://youtu.be/0186Be7w6Ko

Comments

Chovner

I love being stuck in victory track!!!! So many of my Paragon friends are there with me, it’s a huge sad party

GroundedWisdom

Do you know how many of those are there from nefarious means? I think it's a bit of a jump to blame the Matchmaking for everything you see.

Vergeman78

Do you know how many of those are there from nefarious means? I think it's a bit of a jump to blame the Matchmaking for everything you see.

What evidence do you have to support your claim these aren’t all legit players?

willrun4adonut

I’m glad about the matchmaking. I’m paragon and have always finished in gamma two, then stop grinding.Being stuck in silver 3 had me pushed me to stop renewing my monthly unit pass and sigil.

GroundedWisdom

Do you know how many of those are there from nefarious means? I think it's a bit of a jump to blame the Matchmaking for everything you see.
What evidence do you have to support your claim these aren’t all legit players?

I don't. Which is why I didn't call them cheaters. What I said was, do you know how many are? Meaning, you can't account for everything based on the Leaderboard. Hence my comment about everything you see.

Chatterofforums

Do you know how many of those are there from nefarious means? I think it's a bit of a jump to blame the Matchmaking for everything you see.

Well kabam seems to think they are all legit as they are still there and some have been there since week 1.

DrZola

Here is a little something to show those of us who are paragon or TB and still in victory track, 65 accounts currently in Arcane 2, meaning full victory track rewards and guaranteed GC rewards.

https://youtu.be/0186Be7w6Ko

Silos. Bubble wrapping competition is one thing. This is something else.

I had to get to #12 in Arcane 2 to find a rating over 1M.

Dr. Zola

Ironman3000

Well earned rewards!

Chatterofforums

And by the way, if ya all agree, share the video. Only way this is going to change is by spreading the word. It's surprising on how many still don't know whats going on in BGs.

Darkrider05

Do you know how many of those are there from nefarious means? I think it's a bit of a jump to blame the Matchmaking for everything you see.

Considering the fact that Kabam said they were removing cheaters every week manually, I think most of them are legit.

GroundedWisdom

We don't know anything about it. Which is why I said we can't assume they're all the result of Matchmaking. I'm all for pointing out an issue (albeit it has multiple Threads, including a number by the OP), but I'm not going to listen to false narratives.

Chatterofforums

We don't know anything about it. Which is why I said we can't assume they're all the result of Matchmaking. I'm all for pointing out an issue (albeit it has multiple Threads, including a number by the OP), but I'm not going to listen to false narratives.

How in the world is this a false narrative? I literally have video proof! You just disagree to disagree so you have to make up anything to discredit anything the majority agrees with. Your assumption doesn't make factual video a false narrative.

By the way, scroll yourself through Arcane 2, I only did 65 accounts in this, but there are hundreds more under a million rating and would be destroyed by an average TB or paragon.

Zenn_La

Felt like Al Bundy was talking directly to me. Decently skilled, half decent roster 2.2 mil. Paragon currently stuck in Gold, win 2, lose 2, win 1, lose 1 and so on. Don’t have tons of units to spend on Victory shields and it takes forever to go up a tier without using 1 or 2 or sometimes more so I’m rollin’ F2p right now and feeling the pain. I’m going up against some pretty heavy accounts too due to my 14,650 prestige. A lot of matches are even accounts, a few are lower but at least 30-50% have way more higher ranked up champs and ratings of 3-4mil. These guys have every amazing/new champ at r3/r4 and sometimes it’s too much to take on unless you get a perfect draw for counters.

Pretty weak that these players get in GC so easily and get way better rewards. I’ve pretty much went from going hard at BGs in the evenings after work to casually just playing for the objective rewards. It’s so frustrating and my gf has even said “Why do you even play that game anymore? You don’t seem like you’re having fun.” as she hears my frustration and cursing when I’m one fight from advancing and I lose the 3rd round by 200 points or have an AI glitch or bad draws that bomb the whole matchup,etc. and I’m right back to zero.

Definitely feel the current system is saying to TB and Paragon players to spend on shields to reliably advance in BG. Maybe increasing needed wins to 5 or 10 per level and not losing medals when you lose would help even things out??? I made it to GC last season but had to play ridiculous amounts of fights, use victory shields when needed and I only got like 2-3 days in GC before it ended so got bottom tier rewards in like Uru 1 or 2 or something. Really enjoy the BGs concept as a solo player with no alliance and a full time career/other hobbies but if things don’t change probably won’t be playing as much.

GroundedWisdom

We don't know anything about it. Which is why I said we can't assume they're all the result of Matchmaking. I'm all for pointing out an issue (albeit it has multiple Threads, including a number by the OP), but I'm not going to listen to false narratives.
How in the world is this a false narrative? I literally have video proof! You just disagree to disagree so you have to make up anything to discredit anything the majority agrees with. Your assumption doesn't make factual video a false narrative.

By the way, scroll yourself through Arcane 2, I only did 65 accounts in this, but there are hundreds more under a million rating and would be destroyed by an average TB or paragon.

Your assumption on the amount of Accounts in the GC and the reasons they got there doesn't make it the result of a Matchmaking in every case. That's my point.
You keep saying they would be destroyed by a TB or Paragon, but the GC is ELO. Not Roster-based. Which means they're not advancing there because of the Matchmaking. If they don't belong there, they wouldn't advance at all, unless they're actually skilled, or some other means.
You have posted ad nauseum about the subject, as have I. The difference is I stick to the Threads already open on the subject. We don't need to keep spamming them on the Forum. I'm pretty sure we can discuss it in the plethora of Threads already open.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm looking at the evidence. I'm sorry you're upset that you can't advance by beating up smaller Accounts.

Chatterofforums

@Kabam Miike @kabam Jax
Can ya all watch the video on this thread and/or refer to the developers and ask your all selves these questions "is this what we intended?" And "is this good for the game?"

Sachhyam257

Are they using 2/3/4* decks to match with other low rated accounts? I doubt they could get up there with a proper deck. I'm in Silver 2, and yet I have to go full tryhard mode to get a win. They must be using a way to finesse the matchmaking.

I'm finding bgs to be kinda tiring. I get my 1 win and throw the next 2 for the objectives. I don't even care anymore.

Pandingo

I'm on the fence. I get 'making it fair' for lower accounts but like, shouldn't we at higher levels at least start on the gladiator track or something? We are all way more experienced so fights will be harder. Plus our rosters are all equally difficult. Just seems crazy that we are all competing for the same rewards. At my level it always comes down to luck and about 300 pts in either direction. Just not fun to lose OR win like that. It means we both deserved to win. And one got scrawed.

Thomildo

We don't know anything about it. Which is why I said we can't assume they're all the result of Matchmaking. I'm all for pointing out an issue (albeit it has multiple Threads, including a number by the OP), but I'm not going to listen to false narratives.
Well they are either there because of matchmaking or because of cheating. Either way, it’s a significant problem. Can you at least acknowledge that? Because no matter the reason, it shouldn’t be like this. And if you think it should, you’re the only one.

Totalt agree. Seems similar to the old aw system where weak alliances weren`t matched against stronger ones and could climb way out of their league.

Elthan

It feels like they put a junior in the same competition as a veteran, just to see the junior win the race at the end

Even if the junior is "skilled", 1. it doesn't feel right, 2. there's no way on earth he should win.

I'm currently at bronze 1 with a parangon account of 3,5 M PI, prestige of 15,5 k and over 1 000 champions. The way this game mode is structured totally killed my mood. I'm not playing it anymore because of the frustration AlBundy described (win 1, lose 2, win 2, lose 4...) and I found myself playing the game itself less and less every day. That and the fact that the game has currently numerous bugs that are totally ignored on the forum (no answer from the mods) and when we voice them, we got threads closed and/or comments deleted for no reason.

I guess as long as people will buy stuff, Kabam will have no incentive to change this game mode.

Wozzle007

The current situation is an absolute joke and this thread perfectly illustrates it. I keep coming to the forums, watching YouTubers hoping there is something that is going to draw me back a reinstall the game. There’s no chance with the game how it currently it. I can put up with bugs, they happen, but when the game is designed with outcomes this bad, it pushes me further away from the game.

DrZola

We don't know anything about it. Which is why I said we can't assume they're all the result of Matchmaking. I'm all for pointing out an issue (albeit it has multiple Threads, including a number by the OP), but I'm not going to listen to false narratives.
Well they are either there because of matchmaking or because of cheating. Either way, it’s a significant problem. Can you at least acknowledge that? Because no matter the reason, it shouldn’t be like this. And if you think it should, you’re the only one.
Don't waste your breath they'll (GW) only answer with something that isn't against Kabam, seems like they're being completely objective while purposely going against whatever it is you're saying.
This is their way....

On my leaderboards, I cannot see ranks beneath Arcane 2…that would suggest to me that there are quite a few additional accounts like the ones @Chatterofforums highlighted in the lower levels of GC as well. It’s implausible more than a few these 200-600K accounts (if any) climbed over 2-3 million rated accounts to get where they are in GC.

The arguments defending this have shifted so much…first it was about fairness for the small accounts, then it was about how small accounts can “outskill” big accounts and deserve rewards, and now it pivots to suggest small accounts may have climbed by nefarious means.

Baloney.

Thanks @Chatterofforums. I’ve been operating under the assumption BGs were a competition. Perhaps they are for some of us. For others, they look more like a handout.

Dr. Zola

K00shMaan

We don't know anything about it. Which is why I said we can't assume they're all the result of Matchmaking. I'm all for pointing out an issue (albeit it has multiple Threads, including a number by the OP), but I'm not going to listen to false narratives.
Well they are either there because of matchmaking or because of cheating. Either way, it’s a significant problem. Can you at least acknowledge that? Because no matter the reason, it shouldn’t be like this. And if you think it should, you’re the only one.
Don't waste your breath they'll (GW) only answer with something that isn't against Kabam, seems like they're being completely objective while purposely going against whatever it is you're saying.
This is their way....
On my leaderboards, I cannot see ranks beneath Arcane 2…that would suggest to me that there are quite a few additional accounts like the ones @Chatterofforums highlighted in the lower levels of GC as well. It’s implausible more than a few these 200-600K accounts (if any) climbed over 2-3 million rated accounts to get where they are in GC.

The arguments defending this have shifted so much…first it was about fairness for the small accounts, then it was about how small accounts can “outskill” big accounts and deserve rewards, and now it pivots to suggest small accounts may have climbed by nefarious means.

Baloney.

Thanks @Chatterofforums. I’ve been operating under the assumption BGs were a competition. Perhaps they are for some of us. For others, they look more like a handout.

Dr. Zola

You can't see any below Arcane 2 because only that many accounts have made it to GC so far.

DrZola

We don't know anything about it. Which is why I said we can't assume they're all the result of Matchmaking. I'm all for pointing out an issue (albeit it has multiple Threads, including a number by the OP), but I'm not going to listen to false narratives.
Well they are either there because of matchmaking or because of cheating. Either way, it’s a significant problem. Can you at least acknowledge that? Because no matter the reason, it shouldn’t be like this. And if you think it should, you’re the only one.
Don't waste your breath they'll (GW) only answer with something that isn't against Kabam, seems like they're being completely objective while purposely going against whatever it is you're saying.
This is their way....
On my leaderboards, I cannot see ranks beneath Arcane 2…that would suggest to me that there are quite a few additional accounts like the ones @Chatterofforums highlighted in the lower levels of GC as well. It’s implausible more than a few these 200-600K accounts (if any) climbed over 2-3 million rated accounts to get where they are in GC.

The arguments defending this have shifted so much…first it was about fairness for the small accounts, then it was about how small accounts can “outskill” big accounts and deserve rewards, and now it pivots to suggest small accounts may have climbed by nefarious means.

Baloney.

Thanks @Chatterofforums. I’ve been operating under the assumption BGs were a competition. Perhaps they are for some of us. For others, they look more like a handout.

Dr. Zola
You can't see any below Arcane 2 because only that many accounts have made it to GC so far.

Fair point. Those accounts are probably only in Diamond right now.

Dr. Zola

Chatterofforums

We don't know anything about it. Which is why I said we can't assume they're all the result of Matchmaking. I'm all for pointing out an issue (albeit it has multiple Threads, including a number by the OP), but I'm not going to listen to false narratives.
Well they are either there because of matchmaking or because of cheating. Either way, it’s a significant problem. Can you at least acknowledge that? Because no matter the reason, it shouldn’t be like this. And if you think it should, you’re the only one.
Don't waste your breath they'll (GW) only answer with something that isn't against Kabam, seems like they're being completely objective while purposely going against whatever it is you're saying.
This is their way....
On my leaderboards, I cannot see ranks beneath Arcane 2…that would suggest to me that there are quite a few additional accounts like the ones @Chatterofforums highlighted in the lower levels of GC as well. It’s implausible more than a few these 200-600K accounts (if any) climbed over 2-3 million rated accounts to get where they are in GC.

The arguments defending this have shifted so much…first it was about fairness for the small accounts, then it was about how small accounts can “outskill” big accounts and deserve rewards, and now it pivots to suggest small accounts may have climbed by nefarious means.

Baloney.

Thanks @Chatterofforums. I’ve been operating under the assumption BGs were a competition. Perhaps they are for some of us. For others, they look more like a handout.

Dr. Zola
You can't see any below Arcane 2 because only that many accounts have made it to GC so far.
Fair point. Those accounts are probably only in Diamond right now.

Dr. Zola

The fact that Arcane 2 is currently the lowest cutoff in BG with about a week and a half left in the season tells a story of another issue. In past seasons, this close to the end of the season, all of arcane, and gamma have been full and deep into uru at this point.

Meaning, people, especially the larger accounts, are having a far more difficult time to get to GC than in past seasons. This adds more sting to it when seeing so many lower accounts in GC (there are hundreds more than the video shows as the video was just a taste).

altavista

I'm on the fence. I get 'making it fair' for lower accounts but like, shouldn't we at higher levels at least start on the gladiator track or something? We are all way more experienced so fights will be harder. Plus our rosters are all equally difficult. Just seems crazy that we are all competing for the same rewards. At my level it always comes down to luck and about 300 pts in either direction. Just not fun to lose OR win like that. It means we both deserved to win. And one got scrawed.

Since GC grants 10k rewards just for being there, if high accounts automatically start there it would also be unfair. Lower accounts would complain that Paragon's don't have to go through the VT grind.

Current BG is pretty messed up in terms of fairness, so lots of things have to be changed and not just solely a single thing.

If they got rid of 10k just for entering GC and instead requiring a certain number of wins to activate this reward (such as 5 total wins, not in a row but total), then that might be less unfair but it would still be unfair.

A potential option could be having qualifying players be able to opt in to either (1) Start in Bronze and grind as normal to get the standard rewards, or (2) opt to start in GC and give up on some of the rewards that they might have earned. That would still not be entirely fair, but it would allow some players to bypass the frustration they feel by this mode.

PowerOfACandle

These noobs can easily reach gladiator circuit because of low prestige and there we paragon players struggling to get into platinum lol. The matchmaking needs to be improved.

DrZola

We don't know anything about it. Which is why I said we can't assume they're all the result of Matchmaking. I'm all for pointing out an issue (albeit it has multiple Threads, including a number by the OP), but I'm not going to listen to false narratives.
Well they are either there because of matchmaking or because of cheating. Either way, it’s a significant problem. Can you at least acknowledge that? Because no matter the reason, it shouldn’t be like this. And if you think it should, you’re the only one.
Don't waste your breath they'll (GW) only answer with something that isn't against Kabam, seems like they're being completely objective while purposely going against whatever it is you're saying.
This is their way....
On my leaderboards, I cannot see ranks beneath Arcane 2…that would suggest to me that there are quite a few additional accounts like the ones @Chatterofforums highlighted in the lower levels of GC as well. It’s implausible more than a few these 200-600K accounts (if any) climbed over 2-3 million rated accounts to get where they are in GC.

The arguments defending this have shifted so much…first it was about fairness for the small accounts, then it was about how small accounts can “outskill” big accounts and deserve rewards, and now it pivots to suggest small accounts may have climbed by nefarious means.

Baloney.

Thanks @Chatterofforums. I’ve been operating under the assumption BGs were a competition. Perhaps they are for some of us. For others, they look more like a handout.

Dr. Zola
You can't see any below Arcane 2 because only that many accounts have made it to GC so far.
Fair point. Those accounts are probably only in Diamond right now.

Dr. Zola
The fact that Arcane 2 is currently the lowest cutoff in BG with about a week and a half left in the season tells a story of another issue. In past seasons, this close to the end of the season, all of arcane, and gamma have been full and deep into uru at this point.

Meaning, people, especially the larger accounts, are having a far more difficult time to get to GC than in past seasons. This adds more sting to it when seeing so many lower accounts in GC (there are hundreds more than the video shows as the video was just a taste).

That’s consistent with anecdotal accounts of larger accounts becoming quitters or casuals this season. If you like this mode (or any other PVP-type mode), that’s not a good thing.

Dr. Zola

GroundedWisdom

Do you know how many of those are there from nefarious means? I think it's a bit of a jump to blame the Matchmaking for everything you see.
Oh great, so we have BOTH a matchmaking and modding problem then
I would be cautious about assuming that most of those accounts or even some of them are using “nefarious means.” It isn’t appropriate to make cheating allegations on forums and I don’t think OP has any way of knowing any more than you or I do about their legitimacy.

Dr. Zola

I didn't assume anything, and people are failing to twist my words. I said we don't know. The opposite of assuming, actually.

Chatterofforums

Do you know how many of those are there from nefarious means? I think it's a bit of a jump to blame the Matchmaking for everything you see.
Oh great, so we have BOTH a matchmaking and modding problem then
I would be cautious about assuming that most of those accounts or even some of them are using “nefarious means.” It isn’t appropriate to make cheating allegations on forums and I don’t think OP has any way of knowing any more than you or I do about their legitimacy.

Dr. Zola
I didn't assume anything, and people are failing to twist my words. I said we don't know. The opposite of assuming, actually.

What we do know undeniably is that all those accounts (and hundreds more that weren't even in the video as this was designed to be a sample taste) have received better rewards than accounts far stronger than theirs. However, if you think any of those 65 accounts could beat mine (who is still in gold 3) in head to head, then that's just funny.

You are doing what you like to do and derail a thread as we have undeniable proof of a major issue here.

Also, how do you explain that there are several thousand less players in GC (especially on the more developed rosters side) than normal at this point with the season end so close? Arcane 2 is the current lowest batch in GC, which is thousand less than it this point in past seasons where all arcane, all gama and lots of uru would be full by now?

You can do what most of us expect and make up a unfounded answer that likely has little to do with anything or you can just admit that no matter which way you slice it, Kabam is seriously dropping the ball and improperly handling this entire issue

GroundedWisdom

I'm not making any such assertion. I'm saying, if you're going to provide evidence to support your case, you need to account for the possibility that some of those Accounts may be modding. Considering it's been a consistent issue since the inception of BGs, that's not unreasonable to consider.
What you keep doing is comparing the size of all the Accounts to your own, as if the Leaderboard is supposed to line up from biggest to smallest, and that's not the way it works. People reach the GC by winning consecutive Matches. They don't get defaulted to it because they're bigger than other Accounts.
If you belong there, earn your way up. That's all I can say. Posting about it over and over because you're personally offended by their progress is just redundant. We've talked about it for weeks.
Also, if you consider skill to consist of only taking out Accounts much smaller than your own, then you don't want a fair competition. You want a default system. That's not what I want. I want a competition that awards performance. Not a junk measuring contest.