SA Rewards Updated, Scoring System Ignored

Furrymoosen

First off, shout to Kabam for the SA rewards buff. It isn’t great, but it is a solid increase and difference from previous rewards. At the very least it is a reasonable and all around acceptable updated in my view. But the praise stops here.

Why in the world was the scoring system not updated with this change? Well, aside from getting points for opening relic crystals (though not for leveling or ranking relics). Why is opening a pre-formed 4* crystal still the most valuable option for gaining points? Why are there still no points to earn from opening T4 and T5 class catalyst crystals, but you can earn tons from T3? Why is there still a cost-to-points imbalance in ranking and leveling 6* champs compared to lower tiered champs? Such low hanging fruit and you just whiffed.

Again, the rewards buff is decent (at best), but the scoring system is so outdated that gaining points feels like waiting for your dialup internet to finally kick in.

xLunatiXx

Because it's too much work.. 🙄

Pikolu

In my opinion, the rewards feel like what they should have been back in 2019. However I'm from the age of summoners that had an SA that was offering some of the best rewards in the game

tusharNair

SA has been updated to 2020/21...err

Kabam Jax

Hey Summoners,

An update straight from the game team that should shed some light on the matter:

"The Summoner Advancement rewards were updated to make them relevant again but deliberately held back from being something Alliances focus too much on. We definitely didn't want to go back to the days where Alliances were forcing minimums for this event or putting a lot of time into coordinated openings.

The points system will be updated around the time that 7* champions launch."

Aomine_Daiki10

Now this is a valid reason.

Furrymoosen

Kabam Jax said:

Hey Summoners,

An update straight from the game team that should shed some light on the matter:

"The Summoner Advancement rewards were updated to make them relevant again but deliberately held back from being something Alliances focus too much on. We definitely didn't want to go back to the days where Alliances were forcing minimums for this event or putting a lot of time into coordinated openings.

The points system will be updated around the time that 7* champions launch."

Thanks for that info, Jax. This just felt like another instance of update one part of something and ignore another part. Glad to know that isn’t the case and hoping that the update makes sense. Though the fact that it was updated enough to include opening relics while seemingly ignoring that the rest is incredibly outdated is still a bit disappointing.

Warlord_615

But around what date are 7 star actually coming??

Siliyo

Warlord_615 said:

But around what date are 7 star actually coming??

Spring 2023.

Angryneeson52

Kabam Jax said:

Hey Summoners,

An update straight from the game team that should shed some light on the matter:

"The Summoner Advancement rewards were updated to make them relevant again but deliberately held back from being something Alliances focus too much on. We definitely didn't want to go back to the days where Alliances were forcing minimums for this event or putting a lot of time into coordinated openings.

The points system will be updated around the time that 7* champions launch."

Why would alliances that force minimums be a bad thing? Is the competitive nature of alliances something Kabam wants to do away with?

SpagNidus

Kabam Jax said:

Hey Summoners,

An update straight from the game team that should shed some light on the matter:

"The Summoner Advancement rewards were updated to make them relevant again but deliberately held back from being something Alliances focus too much on. We definitely didn't want to go back to the days where Alliances were forcing minimums for this event or putting a lot of time into coordinated openings.

The points system will be updated around the time that 7* champions launch."

@Kabam Jax

Can we please stop using the alliance potions in this? They are completely insignificant and not worth using unless you are using 4*s. And the t1a are far more useful than generic iso. How about selectors, or something along the lines of 1-10% rewards from 22 and 7 hour events. That way we can pick what works best for our accounts. The only part of the rewards that are definitively better are the shards. everything else is a wash.

LilMaddogHT

Without a doubt, this has been a LONG time coming... And while the updates are nice, I'm asking myself if it will need another half decade for these to be updated again or will there be more frequent incremental updates (like has been promised in AW & AQ) to align with the release of 7-Stars etc as the game/meta progresses...?

Also, I think the new group'd rankings is an excellent change.

DrZola

Pikolu said:

In my opinion, the rewards feel like what they should have been back in 2019. However I'm from the age of summoners that had an SA that was offering some of the best rewards in the game

So much this. I’ve all but forgotten about SA and can now go back to forgetting with this half-hearted effort.

Might have been a neat place to sneak in an L1 solo revive.

Dr. Zola

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Ken1378

I love it when they wait 5 yrs to update something and then the new rewards are already outdated before they even go live.

DarkestDestroyer

The changes are a bit disappointing to be honest, I get the point but on the other hand, these are still dreadful in the current meta

Etm34

It’s the MO to update things from horribly out of date to just out of date.

I’m fully expecting a thronebreaker solo objective crystal to drop in 2026

Coppin

Well this argument is a 100% valid, the last thing we ever need again is Alliances recruiting with min SA requirements...

RonSwanson

They're probably just gonna add more relic stuff

AverageDesi

Angryneeson52 said:

Kabam Jax said:

Hey Summoners,

An update straight from the game team that should shed some light on the matter:

"The Summoner Advancement rewards were updated to make them relevant again but deliberately held back from being something Alliances focus too much on. We definitely didn't want to go back to the days where Alliances were forcing minimums for this event or putting a lot of time into coordinated openings.

The points system will be updated around the time that 7* champions launch."

Why would alliances that force minimums be a bad thing? Is the competitive nature of alliances something Kabam wants to do away with?

There's already enough things to worry about while seeking alliances. BG, AW and AQ. One more thing is not needed imo

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Minsudo

Kabam Jax said:

Hey Summoners,

An update straight from the game team that should shed some light on the matter:

"The Summoner Advancement rewards were updated to make them relevant again but deliberately held back from being something Alliances focus too much on. We definitely didn't want to go back to the days where Alliances were forcing minimums for this event or putting a lot of time into coordinated openings.

The points system will be updated around the time that 7* champions launch."

Still, 1000-2000 6-star shards available in lower brackets wouldn't break your bank at all. Currently it's just too weak, the rewards are like few years behind and not exciting at all. I'm not sure how do you get excited about 100 6-star shards when that's probably where most mid-lower lvl alliances are gonna land.

Angryneeson52

AverageDesi said:

Angryneeson52 said:

Kabam Jax said:

Hey Summoners,

An update straight from the game team that should shed some light on the matter:

"The Summoner Advancement rewards were updated to make them relevant again but deliberately held back from being something Alliances focus too much on. We definitely didn't want to go back to the days where Alliances were forcing minimums for this event or putting a lot of time into coordinated openings.

The points system will be updated around the time that 7* champions launch."

Why would alliances that force minimums be a bad thing? Is the competitive nature of alliances something Kabam wants to do away with?

There's already enough things to worry about while seeking alliances. BG, AW and AQ. One more thing is not needed imo

Only the weaklings think this way

Furrymoosen

AverageDesi said:

Angryneeson52 said:

Kabam Jax said:

Hey Summoners,

An update straight from the game team that should shed some light on the matter:

"The Summoner Advancement rewards were updated to make them relevant again but deliberately held back from being something Alliances focus too much on. We definitely didn't want to go back to the days where Alliances were forcing minimums for this event or putting a lot of time into coordinated openings.

The points system will be updated around the time that 7* champions launch."

Why would alliances that force minimums be a bad thing? Is the competitive nature of alliances something Kabam wants to do away with?

There's already enough things to worry about while seeking alliances. BG, AW and AQ. One more thing is not needed imo

It would be fair to argue that Summoner Advancement competition aligns perfectly with each of those things though. Especially in BG and AW you’re going to be pushing to develop your roster which is going to be the chief contributor to SA, so it really isn’t going to add anything extra to focus on. Nothing wrong with a little extra competition that can’t be as directly affected by modders and bugs.

SummonerNR

Angryneeson52 said:

Why would alliances that force minimums be a bad thing? Is the competitive nature of alliances something Kabam wants to do away with?

Because they also mandated things like NOT OPENING ANYTHING for weeks at a time, and then once a month (or so) everyone can dump massive amount all on same week to overshoot what they could otherwise normally get if spread out like normal. And hope for an extremely high Rank.

They don’t want to see that return.

Nameless_IW

Any update and/or buff is better than no update/buff at all. But even with the buffed rewards, they already feel outdated LOL. just my opinion.

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Zilliaxer

Furrymoosen said:

First off, shout to Kabam for the SA rewards buff. It isn’t great, but it is a solid increase and difference from previous rewards. At the very least it is a reasonable and all around acceptable updated in my view. But the praise stops here.

Why in the world was the scoring system not updated with this change? Well, aside from getting points for opening relic crystals (though not for leveling or ranking relics). Why is opening a pre-formed 4* crystal still the most valuable option for gaining points? Why are there still no points to earn from opening T4 and T5 class catalyst crystals, but you can earn tons from T3? Why is there still a cost-to-points imbalance in ranking and leveling 6* champs compared to lower tiered champs? Such low hanging fruit and you just whiffed.

Again, the rewards buff is decent (at best), but the scoring system is so outdated that gaining points feels like waiting for your dialup internet to finally kick in.

But there is revives not for aq but for story quests e.t.c