People.who want Herc to get nerfed

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  • AMS94AMS94 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    AMS94 said:

    Can any of u guys elaborate how such a nerf will solve the problem ??

    Many threads have come up asking for this but none have been able to show a correlation between these 2 things viz. the proposed nerf & the solution to revive spam
    How will the nerf prevent revive spamming ??

    Nerfing Hercules will not stop revive farms from being nerfed.

    Hercules definitely amplifies the problem. If you are going to plow through content with revives, Herc can usually do that with less revives. But so long as revives are farmable in an essentially unlimited fashion, all nerfing Herc will do is compel people farming revives to complete content to farm more revives, because you can always farm more revives to compensate.

    You end up with the revives farms still gone, but also Herc nerfed.

    People want to believe these things fit a simple narrative. Kabam just wants more money, or Hercules is obviously ruining the game. That way they can argue against one simple thing. In this case, the infinite revive farms distort the balance between the resources players can earn, the resources players can buy, the resources players can keep, the resources players can temporarily stash, and the difficulty of the content of the game. That's an equation in at least five variables, and any suggestion that doesn't address all five simultaneously in the proper way is not going to be meaningful.

    If nerfing Herc would allow for the revives farms to stay, I'd suggest it myself. But it would not, so that's a pointless thing people are suggesting.
    I know it won't stop it
    I just want to know the thought process of people who think it somehow will
    Still haven't read even one justifiable or even slightly reasonable defense, may be bcoz it doesn't exist
  • AMS94AMS94 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★
    edited March 2023

    Chobbly said:

    XFREEDOMX said:

    Most of them are just salty because they dont have Herc!

    Nah, swing and a miss there, I'm afraid.

    I would be very surprised if we get a 7* Hercules any time in the next couple of years. It will be interesting to see what happens when Ascension launches too - I can see some champions maybe being restricted from being Ascended because of their power level.
    If we get a 7* herc then I’d say it’d be a good argument for a 6* quake
    The difference is that Quake is actually a "broken" champ but Hercules is not

    Quake wasn't intended to be played this way
    Her evades while charging heavy was supposed to be a purely defensive ability, but by accident someone discovered that it can be used offensively, & that gave rise to the Quake style which involves never having to hit the defender

    Hercules, Ghost & Kitty can be considered OP champs but none of them are technically "broken", bcoz they are actually being played the way they were supposed to be played
    Quake is the only broken champ in this game bcoz her playstyle was not intended by her designers
  • BulmktBulmkt Member Posts: 1,644 ★★★★

    Bulmkt said:

    To all you Herc Nerfers out there - give it a rest will you…

    You’ll all coming across as indulgent cancel culture wokesters

    How so? You used the buzzword but can you elaborate?
    The cancel Herc crowd offer nothing but reasons of envy to have Herc Nerfed. It won’t bring back revive farming as Kabam have made a decision concerning this so whining that it’s Herc’s fault is completely nonsensical.
  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,482 Guardian
    Bulmkt said:

    Bulmkt said:

    To all you Herc Nerfers out there - give it a rest will you…

    You’ll all coming across as indulgent cancel culture wokesters

    How so? You used the buzzword but can you elaborate?
    The cancel Herc crowd offer nothing but reasons of envy to have Herc Nerfed. It won’t bring back revive farming as Kabam have made a decision concerning this so whining that it’s Herc’s fault is completely nonsensical.
    What are the reasons of envy? You make it sounds like people are just upset they don’t have herc. People know the decision won’t be changed but they are upset and have a reason and they have valid arguments as why he should be nerfed. Kabam has admitted before that he should be nerfed. And as it has been stated before, while it’s not fully his fault, he is a big problem. You should also look up what woke means if you’re going to throw it around. While it is used as an insult in modern politics, it’s really not.
  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,482 Guardian
    edited March 2023
    AMS94 said:

    Chobbly said:

    XFREEDOMX said:

    Most of them are just salty because they dont have Herc!

    Nah, swing and a miss there, I'm afraid.

    I would be very surprised if we get a 7* Hercules any time in the next couple of years. It will be interesting to see what happens when Ascension launches too - I can see some champions maybe being restricted from being Ascended because of their power level.
    If we get a 7* herc then I’d say it’d be a good argument for a 6* quake
    The difference is that Quake is actually a "broken" champ but Hercules is not

    Quake wasn't intended to be played this way
    Her evades while charging heavy was supposed to be a purely defensive ability, but by accident someone discovered that it can be used offensively, & that gave rise to the Quake style which involves never having to hit the defender

    Hercules, Ghost & Kitty can be considered OP champs but none of them are technically "broken", bcoz they are actually being played the way they were supposed to be played
    Quake is the only broken champ in this game bcoz her playstyle was not intended by her designers
    Quake was accidentally discovered to be broken. Herc was designed to be and would have been toned down if the rebalance period was around for his iteration. People can say he isn’t broken as much as they want, but the argument that he is being played how he is designed does not mean that he isn’t broken. They all are OP champs and all of them can clear content in special ways and ways that make it easier and there did nothing wrong with that. But he is an OP broken champ, not the only one, but one of them. There are honestly several champs that should hold off on becoming 7*s and just benefit from the future ascension program, but that decision is to be seen.

    And just to make this clear. I’ve always thought herc needed a nerf and not saying it due to the revive farm nerf. As I mentioned before, nerfing herc isn’t going to change anything and even if they had nerfed him, this change would likely still come.
  • AMS94AMS94 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★

    AMS94 said:

    Chobbly said:

    XFREEDOMX said:

    Most of them are just salty because they dont have Herc!

    Nah, swing and a miss there, I'm afraid.

    I would be very surprised if we get a 7* Hercules any time in the next couple of years. It will be interesting to see what happens when Ascension launches too - I can see some champions maybe being restricted from being Ascended because of their power level.
    If we get a 7* herc then I’d say it’d be a good argument for a 6* quake
    The difference is that Quake is actually a "broken" champ but Hercules is not

    Quake wasn't intended to be played this way
    Her evades while charging heavy was supposed to be a purely defensive ability, but by accident someone discovered that it can be used offensively, & that gave rise to the Quake style which involves never having to hit the defender

    Hercules, Ghost & Kitty can be considered OP champs but none of them are technically "broken", bcoz they are actually being played the way they were supposed to be played
    Quake is the only broken champ in this game bcoz her playstyle was not intended by her designers
    Quake was accidentally discovered to be broken. Herc was designed to be and would have been toned down if the rebalance period was around for his iteration. People can say he isn’t broken as much as they want, but the argument that he is being played how he is designed does not mean that he isn’t broken. They all are OP champs and all of them can clear content in special ways and ways that make it easier and there did nothing wrong with that. But he is an OP broken champ, not the only one, but one of them. There are honestly several champs that should hold off on becoming 7*s and just benefit from the future ascension program, but that decision is to be seen.

    And just to make this clear. I’ve always thought herc needed a nerf and not saying it due to the revive farm nerf. As I mentioned before, nerfing herc isn’t going to change anything and even if they had nerfed him, this change would likely still come.
    What will the nerf achieve?
    Him being so OP (or broken as u say), is still not enough for some hardcore endgame content like the EOP or incursions or the upcoming Abyss like thing
    With the nerf he'll get even less effective in dealing with such things
    Even with so many OP champs, players still struggle to keep up with the difficulty level of sponge like content pieces
    I just can't see what will be actually achieved with the nerf
  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,482 Guardian
    AMS94 said:

    AMS94 said:

    Chobbly said:

    XFREEDOMX said:

    Most of them are just salty because they dont have Herc!

    Nah, swing and a miss there, I'm afraid.

    I would be very surprised if we get a 7* Hercules any time in the next couple of years. It will be interesting to see what happens when Ascension launches too - I can see some champions maybe being restricted from being Ascended because of their power level.
    If we get a 7* herc then I’d say it’d be a good argument for a 6* quake
    The difference is that Quake is actually a "broken" champ but Hercules is not

    Quake wasn't intended to be played this way
    Her evades while charging heavy was supposed to be a purely defensive ability, but by accident someone discovered that it can be used offensively, & that gave rise to the Quake style which involves never having to hit the defender

    Hercules, Ghost & Kitty can be considered OP champs but none of them are technically "broken", bcoz they are actually being played the way they were supposed to be played
    Quake is the only broken champ in this game bcoz her playstyle was not intended by her designers
    Quake was accidentally discovered to be broken. Herc was designed to be and would have been toned down if the rebalance period was around for his iteration. People can say he isn’t broken as much as they want, but the argument that he is being played how he is designed does not mean that he isn’t broken. They all are OP champs and all of them can clear content in special ways and ways that make it easier and there did nothing wrong with that. But he is an OP broken champ, not the only one, but one of them. There are honestly several champs that should hold off on becoming 7*s and just benefit from the future ascension program, but that decision is to be seen.

    And just to make this clear. I’ve always thought herc needed a nerf and not saying it due to the revive farm nerf. As I mentioned before, nerfing herc isn’t going to change anything and even if they had nerfed him, this change would likely still come.
    What will the nerf achieve?
    Him being so OP (or broken as u say), is still not enough for some hardcore endgame content like the EOP or incursions or the upcoming Abyss like thing
    With the nerf he'll get even less effective in dealing with such things
    Even with so many OP champs, players still struggle to keep up with the difficulty level of sponge like content pieces
    I just can't see what will be actually achieved with the nerf
    As mentioned twice before, nerfing him now wouldn’t do anything and even if they had done it previously, this decision would still come.
  • Real_Madrid_76_2Real_Madrid_76_2 Member Posts: 3,561 ★★★★★
    I don't think i ever have used revive spam techinque with my awakened herc as i already am able to either manage my health bar or keep the immortality paused for most of the fight, why do people want to nerf a champion whom they can't use the same way as they were before a nerf in some random in-game content, when the Champion himself is already capable of doing so much stuff. If they can't use herc without revive spam, it's their problem, summoners who use herc without revive spams arent supposed to be punished because you yourself are playing him the wrong way.
  • BulmktBulmkt Member Posts: 1,644 ★★★★

    Bulmkt said:

    Bulmkt said:

    To all you Herc Nerfers out there - give it a rest will you…

    You’ll all coming across as indulgent cancel culture wokesters

    How so? You used the buzzword but can you elaborate?
    The cancel Herc crowd offer nothing but reasons of envy to have Herc Nerfed. It won’t bring back revive farming as Kabam have made a decision concerning this so whining that it’s Herc’s fault is completely nonsensical.
    What are the reasons of envy? You make it sounds like people are just upset they don’t have herc. People know the decision won’t be changed but they are upset and have a reason and they have valid arguments as why he should be nerfed. Kabam has admitted before that he should be nerfed. And as it has been stated before, while it’s not fully his fault, he is a big problem. You should also look up what woke means if you’re going to throw it around. While it is used as an insult in modern politics, it’s really not.
    There is no valid reason to nerf Herc period. You support cancelling a champ - that’s cancel culture and only those who are woke push cancel culture.
  • ChiliDogChiliDog Member Posts: 899 ★★★
    Quake, Ghost, Corvus...blah, blah, blah. There will always be a champ that is the next best. I did the first 4 fights on one run without Herc. Nerf CGR. Nerf Apoc.

    No...nerf content that is not meant to be done without buying revives. Nerf conyent that requires specials or intercepts, while the AI is programmed to turtle. You don't even see 3 bars and the AI throws the special. This isn’t a herc, quake, whatever problem. It is a design issue of unavoidable damage.

    7 stars are coming out. Herc will get the Quake treatment in the long run anyway.
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